Frozen: Part V

[Atlantica]

I think it would have been a more fitting end for Elsa to have frozen him into a block of ice, and have had his brothers come and collect him.

[rodis]

I'm not sure if this was brought up before, but does anyone else cringe when Anna sings "don't know if i'm elated or gassy"?

Why does a Disney princess need to sing that line?

[Atlantica]

Haha I know, sounds slightly jarring, but that's their style of song writing I think.

I love the score and songs, but I still think nothing can beat Ashman for funny/witty lyrics.

[rodis]

Haha I know, sounds slightly jarring, but that's their style of song writing I think.

I love the score and songs, but I still think nothing can beat Ashman for funny/witty lyrics.

I've been listening to the soundtrack on repeat for the past few weeks. I love it that the score has a distinct and uniform style to it, just like Beauty and the Beast. Some of my favorite cuts: Elsa and Anna, Onward and Upward, The North Mountain, Conceal Don't Feel, and Epilogue.

The songs, of-course, are mostly winners. My two favorites are "Let It Go" and "For The First Time In Forever" (and its reprise).

[mwl89]

Marce82,

Thanks for the comments!

I can totally see your point about about the violence being unnecessary. However, was Anna "lady-like?" Wasn't the point that she wasn't a "lady" but rather an individual who wasn't constrained by conventions? Even though I don't like violence, I feel that one little punch is not going to do any harm to Hans. He just tried to kill people. He can deal with it. And the fact that she feels free to throw a punch as much as a man would is pretty ok with me. It's not like she shot him or anything.

About Oaken's family, I'll grant you there is the very slightest (I'm talkin' small) chance that the family is not a gay family. However, Oaken said that no one would be crazy enough to be out in a storm like this. Surely if his wife were out in the storm, he would be looking for her instead of sitting in his store. So, for me, that means she must be in the house. But I don't see an adult woman in the sauna. The four brunettes are clearly too young. Furthermore, that blonde guy is too old to be his child. And it seems like more of a stretch to say that he was a nephew or brother than that he was Oaken's husband. That really does seem like the simplest, most likely explanation to me.

Just my thoughts.

[frankf3]

- Anna punching Hans at the end. I hated that. I'm not saying Kristoff needed to step in. But punching the guy was unnecessary violence (and not lady like! Sexuality and gender identity are two different things). Plus, imagine if the scenario had been the other way around: a male hero punching the female villain!?!?!? Can you imagine??? In most Disney films, violence from the hero or heroine of the piece is usually defensive. In this case, Hans was already defeated. She didn't need to punch him.

I actually disagree. Hans needed to get his comeuppance from Anna. The man got her hopes up only to crush her and leave her for dead. The line he says, "if only there was someone out there who loves you", is really cruel and vile. Then, he goes on and tries to kill her sister. If anything, Hans got off easy.

[Atlantica]

…..which would again lead me to say again he should have been frozen by Elsa …. a fitting comeuppance for a vile human being.

[Marce82]

Ok...

- As for Anna's punch: these sisters are the monarchs of a powerful kingdom. And her idea of retaliation is a PUNCH???? Its so childish. The idea of Elsa freezing him is better. Or ANYTHING else. Actually, had Anna harmed him DURING the final battle, that would have been ok. But after everything has been solved?? Its petty.
And I agree that Anna isn't very lady-like. WHich I disliked a lot. It doesnt fit her princess upbringing, and it kinda kills the "once upon a time" feel that the story is supposed to have. She is a little TOO 21st century. I mean... look at Aurora in Sleeping Beauty: Im sure American women didn't talk or move like that at that time. But they gave her a personality that we could buy as "long ago". And before you all bombard me with "the heroines of the 90s were contemporary".... maybe a little. BUt look at their behavior and the way they talk: its not "old time" but its also not "very now".

- And mwl89: um... you think the family in the sauna was Oaken's???? I don't think they are. I believe it was just A family that came to use the sauna. IF the person next to the blond guy indeed isn't a woman, then the guy could be a widower or something. I still think it IS a woman. Having a full-on gay couple would be a little too controversial for Disney at this point....

[Marce82]

Oh... and MY GOD, YES! I DO cringe with the "elated or gassy" line.

Again, goes to her not being lady-like. A woman doesn't have to be butch to be equal to a man. I think Belle was possibly the most feminist of characters, and she was not un-ladylike.

[Musical Master]

…..which would again lead me to say again he should have been frozen by Elsa …. a fitting comeuppance for a vile human being.

The Broadway musical version could do that, via lighting design effects.

[taei]

Ok...

- Actually, had Anna harmed him DURING the final battle, that would have been ok.

I always wondered why Anna didn't just jump on him, or tackled him..
Heck, since I'm nitpicking.... If Kristoff can hear Anna calling him, why can't Elsa??!!

[Prince Edward]

'Frozen' Soundtrack Returns To No. 1 On Billboard 200 AGAIN
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/ ... lboard-200

[dollover]

Ok...
And I agree that Anna isn't very lady-like. WHich I disliked a lot. It doesnt fit her princess upbringing, and it kinda kills the "once upon a time" feel that the story is supposed to have. She is a little TOO 21st century. I mean... look at Aurora in Sleeping Beauty: Im sure American women didn't talk or move like that at that time. But they gave her a personality that we could buy as "long ago". And before you all bombard me with "the heroines of the 90s were contemporary".... maybe a little. BUt look at their behavior and the way they talk: its not "old time" but its also not "very now".

I would say Ariel sounded and acted just as contemporary as Anna and Rapunzel... although she technically wasn't in the 90's, and she stopped talking halfway through the film, which helped. I don't mind them acting contemporary as much as them sounding contemporary. I don't like hearing them say stuff like 'like' and 'freak out'. Phrases like that were around during the 90's and they didn't use them then, so why now? It really detracts from the timelessness IMO. I do think Frozen felt more classic than Tangled though. I think a big reason was Flynn's smart alec 'hip' attitude. It was much worse than anything Anna said or did in Frozen.

[Marce82]

Hey Dollover,

I agree with everything you said (not sure if Frozen seems more classic than Tangled, but I agree about Flynn and Rapunzel. Actually, Anna is the only annoyingly contemporary character in Frozen).
Im not sure I agree with what you said about Little Mermaid. Ariel doesnt say things like "freak out" and "like" (I know, those were nods to Rapunzel).... do you have examples of Ariel sounding too contemporary?

And I do mind the lack of grace with Rapunzel and Anna... remember when disney princesses were poised, regal and graceful? (nothing to do with being passive or non-feminist)

[dollover]

Hey Dollover,

I agree with everything you said (not sure if Frozen seems more classic than Tangled, but I agree about Flynn and Rapunzel. Actually, Anna is the only annoyingly contemporary character in Frozen).
Im not sure I agree with what you said about Little Mermaid. Ariel doesnt say things like "freak out" and "like" (I know, those were nods to Rapunzel).... do you have examples of Ariel sounding too contemporary?

And I do mind the lack of grace with Rapunzel and Anna... remember when disney princesses were poised, regal and graceful? (nothing to do with being passive or non-feminist)

Ariel says 'oh my gosh' several times, 'my father is going to kill me', 'you're the best!' and she calls her father daddy (although I admit I don't know how long that as been around). Not as bad as like or freak out but not exactly classic sounding either. I don't think she is very poised or regal either. She is actually a bit bratty. And unlike Rapunzel, she actually knew she was a princess. Rapunzel actually has a very good excuse for not acting like a proper ladylike princess. But I don't think all princesses should be all poised and regal and perfect anyways, otherwise they would run the danger of being too similar to each other as well as being Mary sueish.

[Marce82]

Ha.... very interesting. Never thought about it.

Yes, I suppose those expressions arent quite timeless. Im ok with "daddy", but Im pretty sure the "oh my gosh" came about so as not to use the word "God". And "you are the best"??? That's considered slang???. But still way WAY less ditzy/jarring than Rapunzel or Anna. "For LIKE the first time EVER..."??? "Totally bizarre"? "elate or gassy"? And yeah, Ariel was a little bratty, but she was the youngest and was supposed to be rebellious.

My point is not that they all have to be super poised and regal. There are different levels. Anna and Rapunzel cross a line for me... ("dont freak out"????). ELsa is way more poised, and less contemporary...

All the other Disney Princesses pre-Rapunzel managed!

[dollover]

Ha.... very interesting. Never thought about it.

Yes, I suppose those expressions arent quite timeless. Im ok with "daddy", but Im pretty sure the "oh my gosh" came about so as not to use the word "God". And "you are the best"??? That's considered slang???. But still way WAY less ditzy/jarring than Rapunzel or Anna. "For LIKE the first time EVER..."??? "Totally bizarre"? "elate or gassy"? And yeah, Ariel was a little bratty, but she was the youngest and was supposed to be rebellious.

My point is not that they all have to be super poised and regal. There are different levels. Anna and Rapunzel cross a line for me... ("dont freak out"????). ELsa is way more poised, and less contemporary...

All the other Disney Princesses pre-Rapunzel managed!

Ha well Anna was the youngest too. I agree Ariel wasn't as bad as Anna or Rapunzel when it comes to the contemporary language, but I remember it being jarring when I first watched it, and even now, it seems anachronistic. When it comes to phrases, if I can't picture it coming out of the mouth of an actual historical or royal figure, like say, Anne Boleyn or Mary Todd Lincoln, then it's too contemporary. I know that's pretty dumb and inaccurate, but that's my guideline haha.

[Marce82]

hahaha.... interesting guideline. A little extreme if you asked me, but I would definitely prefer if they erred that way more than the Anna/Rapunzel way...

I remember reading something that Kristin Bell said about Anna. That she grew up watching Disney movies and that she always felt that the princesses had really good posture and were so well spoken, and she couldnt relate, so she wanted to make Anna more real. Ummm.... well... how about she actually tried to speak better and have better posture as a child? Instead of lowering the bar, why don't we raise to it?

(and no, im not talking about being skinny or body image)

[Warm Regards]

As long as characters aren't quoting every modern phrase every time they talk, (unless it's justified if it's a time travel movie or used for meta comedy), I don't see an issue with the "slang" used by Ariel, Rapunzel and Anna.

PS, here's the official karaoke for "Let It Go" that will appear in the sing along version.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HtACLaRDk0[/youtube]

[tomakpo]

hahaha.... interesting guideline. A little extreme if you asked me, but I would definitely prefer if they erred that way more than the Anna/Rapunzel way...

I remember reading something that Kristin Bell said about Anna. That she grew up watching Disney movies and that she always felt that the princesses had really good posture and were so well spoken, and she couldnt relate, so she wanted to make Anna more real. Ummm.... well... how about she actually tried to speak better and have better posture as a child? Instead of lowering the bar, why don't we raise to it?

(and no, im not talking about being skinny or body image)

Well, because I think that would kind of go against the "be yourself" stuff Disney tries to say every once in a while. If you're changing the way you speak, your posture and everything you're not really being yourself. I think that's what Kristen Bell meant. "You're this way and the princesses aren't. But hey! This new princess is clumsy, just like me!". I agree with you anyway, I kind of miss the classy characters. At least we had Elsa (who was not given the enough screen time she should have been given)