Frozen: Part V

[Musical Master]

One of my friends used to watch her videos just because she always was right with her Oscar predictions.

Sometimes, but in some years her predictions could be quite off. Frozen is going to demolish the Oscars.

[Disney Duster]

It was decided among the moderators that on a case-by-case basis, threads about specific Disney movies can continue beyond 100 pages. In addition, the reason held in the past for limiting threads and starting new ones is no longer a concer.

Can we know what that reason is or is it confidential?

[Elladorine]

Can we know what that reason is or is it confidential?

It was simply a technical issue with the forum software; basically, threads that were too long would cause things to break. It's not something we have to worry about anymore.

[Musical Master]

Can we know what that reason is or is it confidential?

It was simply a technical issue with the forum software; basically, threads that were too long would cause things to break. It's not something we have to worry about anymore.

This could be the first Frozen thread to be over 200 pages.

[jazzflower92]

Here is an interview that has Jennifer Lee discussing the movie's divisive twist. Spoilers, of course.

Now that a few people have seen the movie, let's discuss the challenge of turning this story upside down with the two surprise twists at the end.

Jennifer Lee: I always thought we knew that's how it was going to be, but when I looked back at our notes, we didn't know that [the prince] was going to turn so dark for a while. And then it really felt that's what Anna needed. She needed to learn about heartbreak and understanding the shallowness of romantic love vs. real love by being confronted with it. But one of the things that was a wrestle with the studio a bit was to kiss or not to kiss. People went back and forth and they should kiss and it not work. We finally figured out that it was a lot of the women who didn't want them to kiss and it wasn't for some romantic reason: it was because there's no greater slap in the face than for him to think she's not even worth the kiss. And that's where the gasp comes from that we were getting from the audience. Yes, it's a shock that he turns. But the real shock is that he doesn't think she's worth kissing. So that was a fun discovery for us.

So they actually talked about whether Han should have kissed Anna and it would not have worked. And the reason behind why Hans didn't kiss her makes it even more of a kick the dog moment for him. I would like to see anyone else try to justify Hans not kissing her after what Jennifer Lee just said. In the end Hans just saw Anna as a meal ticket to the throne and even had the cruelty to make her feel like a tool that has outlived its purpose.

[thelittleursula]

I don't like Grace at all, but I think that she's right. The Wind Rises is going to get the Oscar.


Nobody really as far as I know tries to justify Hans, like people do with Loki. So far he's the most hated main character; and his tag on Tumblr is mostly bashing of him. Alot of people feel sorry for his childhood and assume that he was mentally and physically abused by his brothers and/ or parents, but that's all.

[taei]

Wait.... Taei... what do you mean its a musical sequence?
Its labeled as "The making of"...

A few weeks ago we got a picture of Kristen Bell, Jonathen Groff, and Josh Gad dressed as cast members. Turns out it was a musical sequence written by the duo who wrote the songs of frozen (the lopezes) and it is a walkthrough musical of the making of Frozen.

If I'm wrong, I do apologize... And someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[tomakpo]

You're not wrong! Disney's website says so!

The Making Of Frozen: People want to know how movies are made, this piece will do that for you. Hosts Kristen Bell, Josh Gad and Jonathan Groff take you deep into the Disney Animation Studios on a musical tour written by composers Kristen Anderson Lopez & Robert Lopez. Directed By Kenny Ortega

Source: http://movies.disney.com/buy-frozen

[Marce82]

In other words: it IS 3 minutes long. And its going to be mostly fluff (hell, it was directed by Kenny Ortega...)

[disneyboy20022]

It was simply a technical issue with the forum software; basically, threads that were too long would cause things to break. It's not something we have to worry about anymore.

This could be the first Frozen thread to be over 200 pages.

For The First Time In Forever it just might

[mwl89]

Here are some of my thoughts on Frozen: http://falleninparadise.wordpress.com/2 ... btqi-life/

I find this film very applicable to LGBT issues.

[Musical Master]

Here are some of my thoughts on Frozen: http://falleninparadise.wordpress.com/2 ... btqi-life/

I find this film very applicable to LGBT issues.

Nice review, and welcome to the forums.

[MovieMan995]

Here are some of my thoughts on Frozen: http://falleninparadise.wordpress.com/2 ... btqi-life/

I find this film very applicable to LGBT issues.

Welcome to the forums! Very nice read!

[Warm Regards]

Jennifer Lee had an interview discussing some Frozen.

Here's the podcast (spoiler warning):
http://johnaugust.com/2014/frozen-with-jennifer-lee

[Coolmanio]

Someone asked the creator of Anime News Network (Justin Sevaikis), you know, the biggest anime site on the web, about whether or not he thought The Wind Rises would win the Oscar. This is what he had to say:

Honestly, it's a VERY dark horse. The Oscars do like honoring the old guys who are bowing out, but Frozen is not just competition, it's a cultural phenomenon. Disney doesn't even have to do any campaigning (though they will), they have a virtual lock on that award. It would be one thing if the competition was The Croods, or even just Despicable Me 2, which was the second highest grossing movie of 2013. If those were the only other nominees THEN The Wind Rises would have a chance.

But not against Frozen. Frozen is arguably Walt Disney Studios' biggest hit since The Lion King. Its theme song "Let It Go" is not only up for Best Original Song, but is the first song from a musical to crack the Billboard Hot 100 Top 40 in literally decades, and it's in there TWICE -- once in its end credits reprise version by Demi Lovato, and then in its original version by Idina Menzel (who voiced Queen Elsa in the film). The soundtrack album also hit #1 on the album charts, unheard-of for a recent musical or movie soundtrack. As of January 19th the film has grossed over 3/4 of a billion dollars worldwide so far and still going strong, yet has an 89% on Rotten Tomatoes.

But if that isn't proof that Frozen has entered the cultural zeitgeist, this certainly is: the deluxe soundtrack album includes a karaoke version of the song, and cover versions have been blowing up on YouTube, including several that have gone viral. A sing-along version of the film is being re-released to theaters in a few weeks. Parental groups are lauding Disney for finally casting aside the old fashioned damsel-in-distress saved-by-Prince-Charming clichés and featuring strong female characters who make their own choices. Several prominent film critics have named it to their Top 10 of 2013 lists. Even more importantly for the Oscars, the film is widely thought to signal a true return to form for Walt Disney Studios, which is a cherished American brand that a lot of people of all ages, Academy voters included, have a strong emotional bond with.

That's a lot to overcome. Not many people have seen The Wind Rises yet, and compared to Frozen, not that many will ever see it. It's like being a small art house movie the year Titanic came out: it doesn't matter how good the film is, some years you simply don't have a chance, and I'm afraid this is probably one of those years.

I don't put The Wind Rises' chances at zero, but they are very low. There's a chance they could win, but it would be an absolute miracle. Gambling sites list Frozen as the overwhelming favorite, but some give The Wind Rises a nod. Another hopeful is the French film Ernest and Celestine, which just had its English dub (from Michael Sinterniklaas and Stephanie Sheh!) premiere at Sundance last week, and that's not being counted out just yet either. So who knows.

I basically echo his sentiments.

[Old Fish Tale]

Even if I don't think it's their best film in a while, I do think that man is quite right.

[Marce82]

Hey mwl89,

Interesting post. I agree with plenty of what you said. A couple of comments:

- The family in the sauna. I believe the person on the man's left (our right) is his wife. And even if it wasn't, and indeed it was a 4th child... thats not LGBT. It could just be a single parent. You are assuming the man is gay cause there (possibly!) is no wife present?

- Anna punching Hans at the end. I hated that. I'm not saying Kristoff needed to step in. But punching the guy was unnecessary violence (and not lady like! Sexuality and gender identity are two different things). Plus, imagine if the scenario had been the other way around: a male hero punching the female villain!?!?!? Can you imagine??? In most Disney films, violence from the hero or heroine of the piece is usually defensive. In this case, Hans was already defeated. She didn't need to punch him.

[Old Fish Tale]

- Anna punching Hans at the end. I hated that. I'm not saying Kristoff needed to step in. But punching the guy was unnecessary violence (and not lady like! Sexuality and gender identity are two different things). Plus, imagine if the scenario had been the other way around: a male hero punching the female villain!?!?!? Can you imagine??? In most Disney films, violence from the hero or heroine of the piece is usually defensive. In this case, Hans was already defeated. She didn't need to punch him.

I wholeheartedly agree. It was so unnecessary.

[DancingCrab]

I don't know, if someone just attempted to kill my sister, a punch in the face would be letting them off easy.

[Old Fish Tale]

To incarcerate him would have been better and enough.