Frozen: Part V

[estefan]

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just wrote. There was a time when smaller animated films opened the same day as a Disney film (Bluth infamously did that when he asked to open All Dogs Go to Heaven the same day as The Little Mermaid). That doesn't happen anymore. That's what I was referring to.

You have no idea how hard it was to write that without breaking some sort of forum rule. But I did literally face palm upon reading that post.

[MovieMan995]

I don't know why you folks are upset about a sequel being made to a movie you likely didn't see. When it opens two Januarys from now, it will have zero affect on your life and it will have created jobs for animators.

Frankly, as animation fans, we should never root for an animated feature to bomb. When an animated feature bombs, animators lose their jobs. When an animated feature is a success (like The Nut Job appears to have done), that creates jobs for animators. It's the reason I go see all animated films that open, because it supports the animation industry and employment grows. As the old saying goes, "Every time a ticket is sold, an animator keeps his job" or something along those lines, I may be paraphrasing.

I'm not going to pass judgement until I see the actual movie, but I am surprised that a sequel was announced this fast.

And I have to agree, the success of The Nut Job and an announced sequel is much better than animators being laid off, etc. Hopefully this success leads to other studios plus Open Road to invest in smaller-scaled animated movies. And who knows? Maybe someone will take a crazy risk on lower budget animation and help change feature animation here in America.

[disneyprincess11]

I was looking picture for Elsa's Ice Castle. And it happens that I bumped into concept art of Evil Elsa and the Snowmen Army






http://victoriaying.tumblr.com/post/734 ... rom-frozen

The possibilites that they could have done for this movie!

[Musical Master]

I like that first picture, it reminds me so much of Mary Blair. But I'm glad that Elsa's ice palace in the final version is very unique compared to some of the concept art.

[TsWade2]

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just wrote. There was a time when smaller animated films opened the same day as a Disney film (Bluth infamously did that when he asked to open All Dogs Go to Heaven the same day as The Little Mermaid). That doesn't happen anymore. That's what I was referring to.

You have no idea how hard it was to write that without breaking some sort of forum rule. But I did literally face palm upon reading that post.

Sorry.

[Warm Regards]

I don't know why you folks are upset about a sequel being made to a movie you likely didn't see. When it opens two Januarys from now, it will have zero affect on your life and it will have created jobs for animators.

Frankly, as animation fans, we should never root for an animated feature to bomb. When an animated feature bombs, animators lose their jobs. When an animated feature is a success (like The Nut Job appears to have done), that creates jobs for animators. It's the reason I go see all animated films that open, because it supports the animation industry and employment grows. As the old saying goes, "Every time a ticket is sold, an animator keeps his job" or something along those lines, I may be paraphrasing.

I'm not going to pass judgement until I see the actual movie, but I am surprised that a sequel was announced this fast.

And I have to agree, the success of The Nut Job and an announced sequel is much better than animators being laid off, etc. Hopefully this success leads to other studios plus Open Road to invest in smaller-scaled animated movies. And who knows? Maybe someone will take a crazy risk on lower budget animation and help change feature animation here in America.

That's very true; a job is a job, regardless of what the output is. Animation is very much a business driven career, as opposed to a creative one. I just wish the animators didn't have to work on films that had a half-baked story. (Turbo... )

Oh, and those concept arts look pretty. I wonder if Elsa in the Broadway musical will build a snowman army, and then they fight the Arendelle militia. THAT would be epic.

[taei]

The reason why the sequel is bothering me is because it shows that silly animated movies can succeed. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE animated movies and I don't want animators to lose their jobs. But it pains me to see the view that the general public has over animation. Everyone thinks that animation is silly and is made for children only. How to Train your Dragon came out and everyone was impressed. but then we got Despicable Me 1 and 2, ice age, etc... Same thing with Frozen, now people are starting to see animation in a different light, but making more of the silly pre-school aimed movies only slows things.

I want animated movies to be a work of art, where people would go in and say that it was better than the live action movie they saw last week or month. Or where it would get nominated for Best picture.. MOVIES LIKE BEAUTY AND THE BEAST.
Even back then, Don Bluth movies were really mature and had interesting stories. I honestly yearn for the time when only 3 companies were releasing animated movies. That meant that they had to put so much effort and treat the movie like proper entertainment, not a cash cow.
MutantEnemy, I'm not mad that Disney has finally succeeded in something. I am so happy for them. What I don't like is that they are now trying to milk as much money as possible without simply sitting down and thinking about how to make an ever better movie in the future. Like imagine if they announced Giants or Moana or their future animated movies instead of saying that more merchandise will be made for Frozen! Imagine if they said that they will strive to make movies that are even better instead of saying that frozen might get a sequel.

I know that a lot of people here don't like Grace, but I honestly admire her piece on Animation today. It is that animation today is a battle between quality vs quantity at the box office. Companies have a mentality that any animated movie will bring in money, so why bother making a good one? Which is what happened with The Nut Job.

[disneyprincess11]

I like that first picture, it reminds me so much of Mary Blair. But I'm glad that Elsa's ice palace in the final version is very unique compared to some of the concept art.

But, compared to the others, the final is boring and bland. IMHO, when the story changed, they started to play way too safe with the designs. When evil Elsa was still around, I imagined that the palace was grand as we just saw in the concept art. And Elsa's design is pretty boring. Hello, she's the Snow Queen. No matter if she's good, evil, or neutral, have a little fun with it! It did look like that they were designing her dress for a Disney Princess.

That's one of the big problems that I have: Frozen is excellent, but they didn't reach its full potential. If we stuck with Elsa being evil or neutral, maybe this could have been really good as TLK and B&TB.

[dollover]

I like that first picture, it reminds me so much of Mary Blair. But I'm glad that Elsa's ice palace in the final version is very unique compared to some of the concept art.

But, compared to the others, the final is boring and bland. IMHO, when the story changed, they started to play way too safe with the designs. When evil Elsa was still around, I imagined that the palace was grand as we just saw in the concept art. And Elsa's design is pretty boring. Hello, she's the Snow Queen. No matter if she's good, evil, or neutral, have a little fun with it! It did look like that they were designing her dress for a Disney Princess.

That's one of the big problems that I have: Frozen is excellent, but they didn't reach its full potential. If we stuck with Elsa being evil or neutral, maybe this could have been really good as TLK and B&TB.

Her design might have been somewhat generic and predictable, as well as her ice castle, but I think making her evil would have been extremely predictable and generic, and the movie would not have resonated as much or done as well. I believe a big part of the movie's success has to do with Elsa's turmoil and her inherent selflessness. She has become an extremely popular character, more popular than Anna the main protagonist. This would not be the case if she was evil or neutral. It would be to 'easy'.

[Musical Master]

I like that first picture, it reminds me so much of Mary Blair. But I'm glad that Elsa's ice palace in the final version is very unique compared to some of the concept art.

But, compared to the others, the final is boring and bland. IMHO, when the story changed, they started to play way too safe with the designs. When evil Elsa was still around, I imagined that the palace was grand as we just saw in the concept art. And Elsa's design is pretty boring. Hello, she's the Snow Queen. No matter if she's good, evil, or neutral, have a little fun with it! It did look like that they were designing her dress for a Disney Princess.

That's one of the big problems that I have: Frozen is excellent, but they didn't reach its full potential. If we stuck with Elsa being evil or neutral, maybe this could have been really good as TLK and B&TB.

Some of the early designs of Elsa's castle were nice, but I find them a bit to over the top grand especially that Elsa's the kind of character that restrains herself, even when she's free.

[Disney Duster]

130 pages? Shouldn't this thread have been locked and a new thread started like a million pages ago?

[Escapay]

It was decided among the moderators that on a case-by-case basis, threads about specific Disney movies can continue beyond 100 pages. In addition, the reason held in the past for limiting threads and starting new ones is no longer a concern.

As this is a movie-specific thread, it will remain open as the "official" discussion for all things related to the film.

Albert

[DancingCrab]

[taei]

I really wanted one in the scene where Anna and Hans ask for Elsa's blessing.
Or when Anna is asking hans for a kiss, and hans is the cat.

[Musical Master]

I really wanted one in the scene where Anna and Hans ask for Elsa's blessing.
Or when Anna is asking hans for a kiss, and hans is the cat.

There's also others for Aladdin, Lady and the Tramp, Lilo and Stitch, The Little Mermaid, and my absolute favorite Beauty and the Beast.

The Frozen one is halarious.

[Old Fish Tale]

That artist is beyond talented! See his other works here.

[Atlantica]

I'm sorry, but I just can't as Elsa's park attire. The wig is beyond awful, and the dress isn't great either …. what possessed them to think it looked like the movie ?

[thelittleursula]

The reason why the sequel is bothering me is because it shows that silly animated movies can succeed. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE animated movies and I don't want animators to lose their jobs. But it pains me to see the view that the general public has over animation. Everyone thinks that animation is silly and is made for children only. How to Train your Dragon came out and everyone was impressed. but then we got Despicable Me 1 and 2, ice age, etc... Same thing with Frozen, now people are starting to see animation in a different light, but making more of the silly pre-school aimed movies only slows things.

I want animated movies to be a work of art, where people would go in and say that it was better than the live action movie they saw last week or month. Or where it would get nominated for Best picture.. MOVIES LIKE BEAUTY AND THE BEAST.
Even back then, Don Bluth movies were really mature and had interesting stories. I honestly yearn for the time when only 3 companies were releasing animated movies. That meant that they had to put so much effort and treat the movie like proper entertainment, not a cash cow. Companies have a mentality that any animated movie will bring in money, so why bother making a good one? Which is what happened with The Nut Job.

^ THIS ALL OF THIS

[disneyprincess11]

New concept art of evil Elsa

[estefan]

Even back then, Don Bluth movies were really mature and had interesting stories. I honestly yearn for the time when only 3 companies were releasing animated movies. That meant that they had to put so much effort and treat the movie like proper entertainment, not a cash cow.

Companies have a mentality that any animated movie will bring in money, so why bother making a good one? Which is what happened with The Nut Job.

Nobody sets out to make a bad film, especially animation directors, who spend many years on a project. The Nut Job, believe it or not, is even based on an award-winning short film and it shares the exact same tone and style of humour that the short did.

I will just quote a comment from Cartoon Brew made by one of the animators who worked on "The Nut Job." It's sometimes easy to forget actual human beings work on films and work really hard to make them great:

As an artist who worked on The Nut Job, it certainly means a lot to hear support from others out there. Personally I enjoyed my overall experience working on it. I'm young in my career, so being trusted to join this team, actually work on a feature, and receive encouraging attitudes from others including Peter (the director) made a positive difference in my life. It's my belief that positive, personal experiences like this are part of what bring healthy growth to our lives, and the industry at large. The production never felt (at least to me) like an attempt at a quick buck or riding others' coat tails, but rather like a group of artists simply trying to make a film. While it wasn't a masterpiece and deserves its fair portion of critique, The Nut Job was still fun to work on.

And having seen The Nut Job, the movie did feel like a bunch of excited animators and artists putting all of their resources together to make a funny, zippy, unassuming little picture. And I see nothing wrong with that.