Frozen: Part V

[DisneyEra]

But who else besides Pixar in the 2000s was doing "revolutionary"? Is Shrek revolutionary? Is Madagascar? Is Ice Age? Is Cars? Is Despicable Me? Heck no, but those are your billion dollar franchises that define this modern era.

Also we should stop comparing Tangled/Frozen to the Renaissance. We should be asking: Is Frozen better than Brave? Was it better than How to train your Dragon? Was it better than the Croods?

[qindarka]

I'd say Shrek was rather revolutionary even if some may not agree with the direction it brought about.

[Musical Master]

I'd say Shrek was rather revolutionary even if some may not agree with the direction it brought about.

It was the beginning of the god awful animated film marketing that no one (studio marketing) takes anything seriously anymore, we have to show the cool, funny, characters being silly for 90 minutes to get the butts in the seats. When we all know that some of the movies are not the case (especially Kung Fu Panda, Tangled, Megamind, and Frozen).

[Atlantica]

In the second viewing in 2D I have to say I did get a little irritated in the finale of just how much freeking snow and storm there was. I know it was Elsa's emotions pretty much imploding but I was feeling a little, "darn, I know you do snow amazingly, but I don't need to be beaten about the head with it!"

[Old Fish Tale]

In the second viewing in 2D I have to say I did get a little irritated in the finale of just how much freeking snow and storm there was. I know it was Elsa's emotions pretty much imploding but I was feeling a little, "darn, I know you do snow amazingly, but I don't need to be beaten about the head with it!"

Oh my God, yes! It just made a bad sequence even worse, in my opinion.

I've seen Frozen four times now, and I have to say after repeat viewings, it's still great, but it's not holding up as well as Tangled for me.

I think we'll be reading this a lot from now on. There goes the hype.

[taei]

I think we'll be reading this a lot from now on. There goes the hype.

This is annoying... and it's a bit true...

I've never liked tangled, and I LOVED Frozen. The hype has nothing to do with it. I acknowledge that the film has flaws, but I still like it.

[Alphapanchito]

I agree taei. I liked tangled, but didn't love it. Now with Frozen in existence i don't like tangled much at all because i can't help but compare the two, and i think Frozen is superior in almost every way. And i'm sure once i get it on Blu I will almost always choose Frozen over Tangled. Tangled had a lot of story problems for me and Frozen also has much smoother animation. The only thing I think tangled did better is the climax scene.

I've seen Frozen 6 times now and I kinda like it more each time? I do see flaws but again I don't think any movie doesn't have flaws. I think right now a lot of people are being reactionary to the people who are saying Frozen is "the next lion king!!" by focusing on flaws.

Also about the heavy snow in the climax scene.. I really don't get that criticism at all. I mean, it's part of the story? So I never got that feeling of showing off. We know the snow follows Elsa's emotions. Knowing that, the violence the storm at the climax and it suddenly being "suspended in grief" when Anna does the thing makes it that much more powerful.

But I do also think this is a story that strongly resonates with some people and then others just can't relate, so I do understand why it doesn't work for some people. It just happens to work very well for me and is in my top 3 disney animated films, and will always be a special film for me. And I understand that it has a lot of flaws that i'm sure are bad, but I guess they are harder to worry about when you love the story and characters and art and everything so much.

[Atlantica]

No, I think the emotion of the scene was drowned out by the effects of so much damn snow. And Anna switching so readily from Hans to Kristoff was just so rushed. Really let down by the ending.

[Alphapanchito]

I know that climax scene has a lot of issues. But i still think the blinding snow wasn't one of those issues, and it was actually a big plus for me. It didn't drown out emotion, because the snow is the emotion. Or at least its Elsa's emotion, which is once again drowning out Anna and her emotions just like she always does. It just seemed so fitting to me. Elsa just takes up more space than anna with her emotions, that's just how she is. But again, I get why this didn't work for everyone.

[Atlantica]

I can see what you are saying, but it felt to me like it was just a display of effects. I'm not saying that was the intent, but that is what it felt like.

[DancingCrab]

But hey, that's how I feel.

I think everybody and their next of kin is aware how you feel about Frozen. Just because I felt some things in the movie could have been a little better, or enjoyed Tangled slightly more from a character animation standpoint, doesn't mean you need to come to it's defense like you always do. I agree Tangled has some pretty big flaws, but guess what, Frozen has some too, and if you constantly get on the case of people who bring them up, it makes you come across as irrational. Enjoy what you enjoy, state your opinion...but don't keep restating it as a defense till you get the response you were expecting or hoping for.

[Victurtle]

I have to echo Alphapanchito here. I'm not exactly sure how you mean the snow drowned out the emotion, especially where the snow is meant to represent Elsa's emotions, as they have throughout the film. Had there been less snow, you could see the emotion better? I'm just not quite sure what you mean.

edit: I thought about it more and understand how the snow could be distracting. For myself, yes it is rather chaotic, but thats exactly whats going on within Elsa's mind. And when she's told Anna died it freezes, because her minds not racing around about what to do, she's now simply devastated. Also I think her 'love' for her sister she feels when she thinks she died stops the storm.

I've also asked around and so far Frozen beats Tangled on all accounts. Actually for my sisters we compared it to Wreck-it Ralph which they preferred over Tangled. So you need a whole lot more people if you want a general consensus over which is better - Frozen or Tangled.

For myself I prefer Frozen. I understand the 'pacing issues' of Frozen compared to Tangled, the first half if jammed packed with songs and the third act just sort of happens. However Frozen's storyline features urgency, and I feel this was achieved and justified.

I think I prefer Frozen was because the emotion was really there from the outset. When Anna is placed next to Elsa I felt nervous for her. When Anna slides by and decides not to knock on Elsa's door halfway through Do You Want To Build A Snowman was heartbreaking. 'The Party Is Over' was intense. Meanwhile Rapunzel, understandably, a bit more distant to be relatable. Rapunzel, whilst trapped, was rather happy, and we only became emotionally invested towards the end, for me anyway. My friend cried during the lanterns scene because they felt Rapunzel finally got what she wanted.

I need to watch Tangled again, because I thought Frozen's animation was superior.

[unprincess]

Frozen>>>Tangled for me. Just better overall in every aspect. Only negative is I felt it wrapped everything up in the end lil too neatly & quickly...

[thelittleursula]

Well the movie finally comes out here in 2 days, and most if not all of the movie has been spoiled by the interwebs. Don't know if can really can enjoy this movie because it's just going to be like....

Oh there's Hans... gheee wonder what's going to happen....


/ a little depressed right now


EDIT- Not blaming these forums, this place has been respectful to to those who have been forced to wait and I thankyou guys so much <3 Other places like Tumblr however....

Frozen>>>Tangled for me. Just better overall in every aspect. Only negative is I felt it wrapped everything up in the end lil too neatly & quickly...

Judging by soundtrack alone, Frozen wins for me personally, like no contest. But haven't even seen the thing yet so can't really say.....

* breaks down and cries *

[Musical Master]

But hey, that's how I feel.

I think everybody and their next of kin is aware how you feel about Frozen. Just because I felt some things in the movie could have been a little better, or enjoyed Tangled slightly more from a character animation standpoint, doesn't mean you need to come to it's defense like you always do. I agree Tangled has some pretty big flaws, but guess what, Frozen has some too, and if you constantly get on the case of people who bring them up, it makes you come across as irrational. Enjoy what you enjoy, state your opinion...but don't keep restating it as a defense till you get the response you were expecting or hoping for.

Thanks for the advice DancingCrab. I'm sorry that I'm still getting used to expressing my thoughts on here, but I'll do my best to get better.

I have to echo Alphapanchito here. I'm not exactly sure how you mean the snow drowned out the emotion, especially where the snow is meant to represent Elsa's emotions, as they have throughout the film. Had there been less snow, you could see the emotion better? I'm just not quite sure what you mean.

edit: I thought about it more and understand how the snow could be distracting. For myself, yes it is rather chaotic, but thats exactly whats going on within Elsa's mind. And when she's told Anna died it freezes, because her minds not racing around about what to do, she's now simply devastated. Also I think her 'love' for her sister she feels when she thinks she died stops the storm.

I've also asked around and so far Frozen beats Tangled on all accounts. Actually for my sisters we compared it to Wreck-it Ralph which they preferred over Tangled. So you need a whole lot more people if you want a general consensus over which is better - Frozen or Tangled.

For myself I prefer Frozen. I understand the 'pacing issues' of Frozen compared to Tangled, the first half if jammed packed with songs and the third act just sort of happens. However Frozen's storyline features urgency, and I feel this was achieved and justified.

I think I prefer Frozen was because the emotion was really there from the outset. When Anna is placed next to Elsa I felt nervous for her. When Anna slides by and decides not to knock on Elsa's door halfway through Do You Want To Build A Snowman was heartbreaking. 'The Party Is Over' was intense. Meanwhile Rapunzel, understandably, a bit more distant to be relatable. Rapunzel, whilst trapped, was rather happy, and we only became emotionally invested towards the end, for me anyway. My friend cried during the lanterns scene because they felt Rapunzel finally got what she wanted.

I need to watch Tangled again, because I thought Frozen's animation was superior.

Tangled did have Glen Keane involved with the character animation on Rapunzel but I agree that the character animation in Frozen is better because the animators at Disney feels like they're comfortable with the material they have been given, especially Wayne Unten who was the supervising animator on Elsa. His work on her was nothing short of brilliance that could be on equal terms with The Beast when it comes to emotions and expression.

[PatrickvD]

I've let the movie sink in for a week now and while I still won't go into detail I will say that I loved it.

But Tangled is easily and by far the better film. Go on, flame me now.

[Musical Master]

I've let the movie sink in for a week now and while I still won't go into detail I will say that I loved it.

But Tangled is easily and by far the better film. Go on, flame me now.

We would never flame you. I would love to hear what you have to say.

[Atlantica]

This really is splitting hairs Victurtle; I was just saying that out of people who I have discussed it with, people really enjoyed Frozen but then still added, "But I liked Tangled more". And from doing a quick calculation from people I work with who went with children, to friends who have just generally seen the film, I can account for 18 people and their opinions. This is not the generalisation of the entire British public, but it was just a passing comment of interest is all.

And I echo DancingCrab's sentiment from before; I'm not trying to be overly negative, but it isn't right to be jumped on if you don't agree that Frozen is the best Disney movie of current years.

[Disney's Divinity]

Also we should stop comparing Tangled/Frozen to the Renaissance. We should be asking: Is Frozen better than Brave? Was it better than How to train your Dragon? Was it better than the Croods?

I agree, and Frozen is the better film to all of those (I still enjoyed HTTYD and The Croods though, but definitely not on the same level).

What I find most annoying are people who act as though Tangled has the best characters, best story, best pacing, best relationships, best romance, bestest animation, yadda yadda filter through the craziness yadda yadda of any Disney film ever made--ever!1!! Which is why reading people put down Frozen, a film with beautiful animation and legitimately strong character relationships, in comparison as if Tangled is the bar to be measured with just makes me foam all over my keyboard.

As far as I remember, people also had "pacing issues" as the reason for why Tangled was better than TP&TF, which I could at least understand. Seeing it happen again, it's just tired.

[Cruella]

Tangled had better pacing than Frozen. At any rate, I liked both quite a lot, coming out of the theater thinking I had a new favorite both times. I didn't really feel that way about Princess and the Frog, but it's only grown on me.