Frozen: Part IV

[SWillie!]

Fair enough (I wouldn't necessarily say that they failed because of their style, but whatever).

Right, I don't think so either. But if the movies with a safer style are making more money, then of course we're going to see more of the same. I love to see them branch out as much as the next guy (really looking forward to BH6 next year), but all I'm saying is that it isn't the artists going "mehhh. Just get it done. Copy Rapunzel's design. Whatever." That would be lazy. Instead, it's "Rapunzel was very well received. Let's create these new characters to look like they exist in that same world."

[DisneyEra]

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[Lady Cluck]

Well none of us have seen the movie yet, but from the story details I don't think Frozen gets enough credit for the unique and complex relationships it will explore. I almost think there are too many characters and layers to the story to fit in a 90 minute Disney musical. I hope I'm not disappointed.

And the animation looks GORGEOUS. Tangled had some really strong animation but the design and color palette could have been from a Barbie film. Frozen's animation looks a lot more rich and artistic.

Was there any outrage about the lack of racial diversity in Wreck-It Ralph? Because there were a lot more opportunities to have some with that, yet there were only a couple throwaway characters that were racial minorities. At least Frozen is supposed to have a realistic setting/time period where white was clearly the dominant ethnic group. Wreck-It Ralph was pure fantasy. I doubt Big Hero 6 will get much credit for a diverse cast of characters either. People clearly only care about race and Disney when it comes to the princess lineup.

[qindarka]

Disney has apparently responded to the whole bullshit saga:

“Animation is an intricate and complex art form,” a Disney spokesman told TheWrap. “These comments were recklessly taken out of context. As part of a roundtable discussion, the animator was describing some technical aspects of CG animation and not making a general comment on animating females versus males or other characters.”

http://www.thewrap.com/disneys-frozen-a ... difficult/

Was there any outrage about the lack of racial diversity in Wreck-It Ralph? Because there were a lot more opportunities to have some with that, yet there were only a couple throwaway characters that were racial minorities. At least Frozen is supposed to have a realistic setting/time period where white was clearly the dominant ethnic group. Wreck-It Ralph was pure fantasy. I doubt Big Hero 6 will get much credit for a diverse cast of characters either. People clearly only care about race and Disney when it comes to the princess lineup.

Wait for it, Big Hero 6 is going to catch a lot of flak as well, though admittedly not nearly as much as Frozen will be receiving. I expect common complaints to included the Americanization of the setting, with the film taking place in an amalgamation of Japanese and American cultures despite simply taking place in Tokyo in the source material. Also, they've apparently changed one of the characters, who I believe was Japanese, to an African-American, this might not come off well to some. Might also be issues with the voice acting if white people are hired to voice the non-White cast.

(Speaking an an Asian, albeit not Japanese and one who has mostly been influenced by Western culture, I don't mind the first two points. Of course, it would be different if they had based the setting entirely on San Francisco or whitewashed any of the characters. In regards to voice acting, I mind a little bit, especially if they pull some stupid shit involving the villain embodying negative stereotypes or having a stupid accent.)

In regards to Ralph, I'd say there is a reasonable explanation for Ralph and Felix being white, given they are based on retro games which do mostly feature white characters. No reason why Vanellope couldn't have been non-white though, wasn't she based on a Japanese video game? Same for Calhoun, given that it was a modern game.

Same goes for the other recent films set in America. Penny didn't have to be white. Neither did the Robinsons family, given that they were portrayed as being 'modern', it might not have been a bad idea for them to be more multiracial. (Some members of the family were adopted, right? I can't recall too well.) Obviously, there doesn't have to be a sustained agenda to make all characters non-white, looking back on the 3 films as a whole, it is rather disappointing that all principal characters are white though.

Again, though, it is an industry wide problem. Very annoying when WDAS get singled out like that. It's not even the case where they make the most profitable and influential films anymore.

Just conducted a small test where I googled "race representation how to train your dragon". Came up with fuck all.

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Feminazi is a rather dangerous term to be bandying about.

[DancingCrab]

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Weird...most of those complaints have nothing to do with female equality or empowerment, so use of the offensive "feminazi" title doesn't make sense. These are just rabid opinions of various types of fans or haters across the internet spectrum. Anytime someone uses "feminazi" to make a point, the only thing that stands out to me is their sheer lack of intelligence.

[disneyprincess11]

I'm now really getting inpatient with the soundtrack listing

I have a feeling that it’s going to be posted on November 4-8 since it’ll be 3 weeks until Frozen. I know it’ll come before we know it. But, oh my gosh, with the deleted songs, it’s going to be so dang hard to wait. AND PREVIEWS OF THE SONGS

[disneyprincess11]

BTW, FROM TUMBLR:

When I was in the Disney Store buying my lovely Elsa and Anna dolls, the store member serving me told me they would be releasing a singing Olaf in a few weeks

http://emmasdisneyworld.tumblr.com/post ... 32850/olaf

So, there will be singing Elsa, Anna, and Olaf dolls too, so we need to have a lookout for that.

[DisneyEra]

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Weird...most of those complaints have nothing to do with female equality or empowerment, so use of the offensive "feminazi" title doesn't make sense. These are just rabid opinions of various types of fans or haters across the internet spectrum. Anytime someone uses "feminazi" to make a point, the only thing that stands out to me is their sheer lack of intelligence.

It's not suppose to have a point or anything. It's just them complaining & whinning about anything to bring Frozen down. The "feminazi" just makes it all the more offensive. I knew Frozen was gonna take afew hits after it's 2nd trailer dropped, but this is getting out of control.
And it will probably stay like this all through this month until a another trailer gets released & marketing goes all out in early November.

[PatrickvD]

Am I the only person around here who is completely indifferent towards this Tumblr bullshit?

I honestly cannot bring myself to care.

[Elladorine]

Am I the only person around here who is completely indifferent towards this Tumblr bullshit?

I honestly cannot bring myself to care.

Me either, but when I was telling a friend about it this morning I found some articles that had pretty ridiculous headlines:

Women Are Hard to Animate Because They Have Emotions, Says Disney
Disney Says Lady Emotions Are Too Complicated to Animate
Disney Undermines a Heroine in 4 Easy Steps

I do love how the last article argues that Sven should be female, one of the reasons being:

"Making the reindeer female would also make him more accurate to the species because male reindeer begin to grow antlers in February and shed their antlers in November whereas female reindeer begin to grow antlers in May and keep their antlers until they shed them next May. The movie takes place in the winter months, so Sven should’ve been female."

Perhaps they should actually watch the film and note that it takes place in summer?

[Jules]

Guys, look at what WDAS uploaded on their official Youtube Channel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDbumc-9d28

[disneyprincess11]

Haha wow

BTW:

Stitch Kingdom ‏@stitchkingdom 41m

Expect next wave of @DisneyStore #disneyfrozen products online October 28. Animator dolls not likely until after movie.

[PatrickvD]

Guys, look at what WDAS uploaded on their official Youtube Channel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDbumc-9d28

This is way more attention that the hysterical 'fans' at Tumblr deserve if you'd ask me.

[PatrickvD]

I do love how the last article argues that Sven should be female, one of the reasons being:

"Making the reindeer female would also make him more accurate to the species because male reindeer begin to grow antlers in February and shed their antlers in November whereas female reindeer begin to grow antlers in May and keep their antlers until they shed them next May. The movie takes place in the winter months, so Sven should’ve been female."

Perhaps they should actually watch the film and note that it takes place in summer?

But seriously, right now I'm just ready for the movie to be here. There's nothing newsworthy coming out at this point. It's just endless pages with links to articles about people complaining about something. I will see the movie when it comes out and I'm still very excited about it. But when I read about these tumblr wars I just roll my eyes.

It's just a bunch of anonymous people with WAY too much time on their hands when you think about it.

[Disney's Divinity]

Snow White: ugh I can't believe they portrayed her as a damsel in distress and the man had to save her MISOGYNY
Cinderella: well done Disney another damsel in distress and whoa a woman has to do housework? MISOGYNY
Sleeping Beauty: ugh Aurora looks just like Cinderella another blonde haired blue eyed princess
The Little Mermaid: omg she didn't even have red hair and whoa she's practically naked way to sexualise a children's tale Disney
Beauty and the Beast: what a talking candelabra how weird Disney is clearly running out of ideas
Aladdin: FINALLY A PRINCESS OF COLOUR but she's in skimpy clothing and therefore being sexualised
Pocahontas: YAY ANOTHER PRINCESS OF COLOUR but this is such an inaccurate representation of Native Americans EVERYONE BOYCOTT THIS MOVIE AND WATCH THIS ONE INSTEAD
Mulan: finally an Asian princess but oh god another talking sidekick way to distract from the storyline Disney
YES! except Aurora's eyes are actually Violet hehe

The Pocahontas, Jasmine, and Mulan one hit it out of the park.

Pocahontas was actually criticized because of the sexualization of Pocahontas, for turning a 11 year-old girl into a buxom, Barbie-esque 20-something.

I disagree with SWillie about the similarities between Anna and Rapunzel not being "lazy." While Rapunzel changes enough to be dissimilar from Ariel (and Ariel from Alice), Anna looks almost exactly like Rapunzel minus the hair; I wouldn't even be surprised if they just took Rapunzel's model, made slight alterations, and carried over. I also consider it lazy when you consider other characters with softer looks--like Cinderella, Snow White, Belle, Mulan--who don't look verbatim like Ariel (although the latter two borrow from her) that were/are also popular with audiences. And even if they kept the same face, they could still create variation in their body types (and, no, I'm not talking about making fat bodies with Ariel faces attached). To me, this whole thing involves them trying to make an easy buck without putting any effort to create new characters, which I do consider lazy. To me, it's no different than when they copied animation in older films (such as the dance in Robin Hood taken from SW, etc.)--laziness, and I'm not blaming the artists for it since they have very little power at Disney.

[Sotiris]

Pocahontas was actually criticized because of the sexualization of Pocahontas, for turning a 11 year-old girl into a buxom, Barbie-esque 20-something.

Actually, there were criticisms regarding the portrayal of Native Americans most of which I find without merit. As for the historical inaccuracies and alteration the films is often criticized for, Disney was clear from the start that it was going to be based on the romanticized legend; not the historical Pocahontas. They didn't set out to produce a documentary or a biopic. And even though the film features an adult Pocahontas, she was certainly not sexualized. As for the the Barbie comparisons, I find them utterly misplaced. Disney's Pocahontas has nothing in common with Barbie; not in terms of facial features, not in terms of physique, and definitely not in terms of character.

[Disney's Divinity]

I don't find them without merit or misplaced, but I don't care enough about Pocahontas to argue the point. I just thought it was funny that post was talking about all the possible complaints and left out the sexualization one from Pocahontas when that actually happened.

[Sotiris]

I just thought it was funny that post was talking about all the possible complaints and left out the sexualization one from Pocahontas when that actually happened.

That's where I disagree the most. I don't consider an adult portrayal of Pocahontas equal to sexualization. Portraying one as an adult does not automatically render them sexualized. I believe one needs additional claims to argue over a possible sexualization other than age.

[Disney's Divinity]

I'm glad I didn't make that claim then.

[Sotiris]

I'm glad I didn't make that claim then.

So why do you think she was sexualized if not for her portrayal as an adult? Was it because she had a love interest? Was it because of her outfit? I'm intrigued.