Gender & Race in Disney's Frozen

[Lady Cluck]

Well there's also the fact that The Black Cauldron is a shitty forgotten movie, and Eilowonanewny or whatever is an even shittier character. No one wants a tiara with her damn face on it. She's not the only one "official" princess not included either.

Pocahontas was kind of a Native American princess and I don't have a problem with Mulan's inclusion because it was a popular movie and let's face it, it's going to be a long time until Disney makes another movie with an Asian princess or faux princess. Maybe Big Hero 6 will have one Sorry it bothers you so much, but I'm guessing you're not part of the target demographic.

The real tragedy here is that Princess Atta hasn't been added to the lineup yet considering Merida was. What kind of message does that send to little girl insects?

[thelittleursula]

Gah. Tumblr people are stupid.

Gee thanks :/

Anyways she have a few good reasons but the male replacement characters are pretty neat so yeah. Disney movies are always going to be different from the original tale so I don't understand why people get all pissy when it's different. It's been like that since Snow White. Since the very beginning.

Little Mermaid- " Oh it's not like the original tale because The Little Mermaid doesn't become sea foam and loose The Prince " !

HOND- " Oh it's not like the original novel " ! " Disney is the spawn of Satan for destroying the original classic " !

Hercules- " They destroyed the original " ! " DOWN WITH DISNEY " !

And now Frozen " They destroyed the original, Disney are a bunch of sexist asswipes "!



Yeah so there's no robber chick or Grandmother or whatever but this is Disney's version on the tale. Plus Anna and Elsa seem like neat characters so far just because Anna and Rapunzel look somewhat alike doesn't mean that you should trash on Anna's character before 27th November.

They could of added in the female characters but they didn't and instead added a sweet Snowman like character, a sweet helper male for Anna and Hans who I'm sure is going to be the one to break the Prince stereotype.

She has her opinions though I have to disagree with some of them.

Disney could of easily replaced that Reindeer dog thing with the Grandmother or Robber girl though.

[Lady Cluck]

If tumblr existed in the early 90s, during the buildup to Beauty and the Beast people would have been bitching about the only other somewhat prominent female character in Beauty and the Beast being an effing teapot.

There really is no reason to complain about Frozen's lack of female characters when it's not just the main character that's female, but the TWO main characters that are. From the sounds of things, both are well-developed, interesting, and most importantly, unique. Reminder: there are two of them. And they're the main focus of the film. Just making sure that's clear.

A lot of times if there are two prominent female characters, one is a generic hero and the other is an insane cackling villain. (see: my avatar) This is actually an improvement.

[thelittleursula]

If tumblr existed in the early 90s, during the buildup to Beauty and the Beast people would have been bitching about the only other somewhat prominent female character in Beauty and the Beast being an effing teapot.

lol

There really is no reason to complain about Frozen's lack of female characters when it's not just the main character that's female, but the TWO main characters that are. From the sounds of things, both are well-developed, interesting, and most importantly, unique. Reminder: there are two of them. And they're the main focus of the film. Just making sure that's clear.

This so much ^

A lot of times if there are two prominent female characters, one is a generic hero and the other is an insane cackling villain. (see: my avatar) This is actually an improvement.

This ^

[Sotiris]

Why do people freaking insist on adding Mulan and Pocahontas to this dumb line when they're not princesses in the first place?

Pocahontas is as much of a princess as any other.

I hope this Princess line goes off and dies soon.

It won't. It's the #1 licensed entertainment brand globally.

[thedisneyspirit]

Why do people freaking insist on adding Mulan and Pocahontas to this dumb line when they're not princesses in the first place?

Pocahontas is as much of a princess as any other.

I hope this Princess line goes off and dies soon.

It won't. It's the #1 licensed entertainment brand globally.

1) Lots of Native Americans themselves feel insulted that she's delegated to the role of "princess".

2) Let me go and throw up then.

[Sotiris]

Lots of Native Americans themselves feel insulted that she's delegated to the role of "princess".

I don't know if that's true but that doesn't change the fact that in the film she's the equivalent of a Western princess.

[thedisneyspirit]

Lots of Native Americans themselves feel insulted that she's delegated to the role of "princess".

I don't know if that's true but that doesn't change the fact that in the film she's the equivalent of a Western princess.

That's what they don't like, they don't like their culture being equated with that of Western culture; they feel it's insulting.

On the other hand, there are lots of Native Americans who do love her inclusion in the line, so what can I say...

[Atlantica]

Is it really the number one global brand ?!

I knew it was huge....but that's crazy huge!

[DC Fan]

Pocahontas IS a princess if you take in consideration she´s the daughter of a Chief; in that context.

Even Megara somehow. She married Hercules: son of the king of the gods that eventually turns into a god himself. So he´s not just a "prince" but a god as well.

What I don´t get is how Tiana is a princess.

Naveen was supposed get back in human form by kissing a princess. Tiana was not. So, when he marries her HE IS the one that turns her into princess.

That doesn´t make sense.

[Atlantica]

Yes it does, she is a Princess through marriage. She married a Prince, thus making her a Princess. Therefore when he kissed her, he was kissing a Princess.

This must be logical as Cinderella would not be considered a Princess, as she married a Prince. She herself isn't royal.

[DC Fan]

Tiana is a princess after the marriage.

But the thing was that he needed to kiss an already princess. And Tiana wasn´t.

[Atlantica]

No, I don't think that was stated, it was just 'a Princess'.

[Disney's Divinity]

What I don´t get is how Tiana is a princess.

Naveen was supposed get back in human form by kissing a princess. Tiana was not. So, when he marries her HE IS the one that turns her into princess.

That doesn´t make sense.

Why doesn't that make sense... She becomes a princess when they marry, so when he kisses her at the end, he's kissing a princess. It's the same way Belle and Cinderella become princesses.

[Sotiris]

Is it really the number one global brand?!

Yep! To be accurate, Disney Princess is the best-selling licensed entertainment brand worldwide.

[Atlantica]

Is it really the number one global brand?!

Yep! To be accurate, Disney Princess is the best-selling licensed entertainment brand worldwide.

Wow. I knew the ladies were big ... but didn't know they were THAT big. Those are insane figures ! The power of a little girl and her parents should never be underestimated.

[Candy-Bonita95]

I wish this topic had better articles as a starting base...maybe I can find one.

PrincessElsa, it's not the need to be part of a political agenda.In this case the tumblr writer is obviously immature.She thinks that certain choices as a theatre customer would change the social perspectives of one of the most successful production companies.(Gee,I wonder if she made a remark about Bay's Transformers trilogy)

There are two perspectives that Hollywood needs to regard as socially outdated.

1. Girls have no problem being objectified-How do I know this is incorrect?I am girl,and I know girls.Yeah,occasionally there is chick all like "I have no problem with guys objectifying me!" Then they meet a lousy guy,break up with him in the future,and cry "Why did I do this?". This happens with virgin girls too. They lead on a relationship-it's the kind she wants you to marry her for any sexual contact. It ends terribly. The irony is that Hollywood is greatly aware of this reality(for ages-Bette Davis was like,"You're not the boss of me now!),but many men and boys are not.The best way a feminist can educate the ignorant is to communicate to the opposite sex in a casual and practical manner.

I'll list #2 soon.

[FlyingPiggy]

Also stop acting like women don't get their fair share of political advantages.

40 yr old man touch young girl- gets 30+ years in jail + nasty social stigma

40 yr women or even younger does same to young boy(bonus points if the suspect is super hot)- gets slap on the wrist/ community service with mild social stigma.

Oh, is that so?

Former Senior High teacher gets 30 days for rape of student

A Yellowstone County district judge Monday ordered a former Senior High teacher convicted of raping a 14-year-old female student who later committed suicide to spend 30 days in jail.

Judge G. Todd Baugh sentenced Stacey Dean Rambold to 15 years in prison, with all but 31 days suspended, for sexual intercourse without consent.

Rambold, 54, will be given credit for one day already served. He was handcuffed and led to jail at the close of the hearing.

http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/c ... Ibxk.email

[milojthatch]

Thank goodness that we don't live in a country where films must conform to someone's political dogma, but are actually, due to the pressures of the market, more democratic.

Ya, that never happens...ha, ha, ha.


Anyway, while I'm sad that basically, Disney isn't making The Snow Queen, despite there making it seem as if they are, I want to base this film on it's story and characters and not if it fits some political dogma.

Yep! To be accurate, Disney Princess is the best-selling licensed entertainment brand worldwide.

Wow. I knew the ladies were big ... but didn't know they were THAT big. Those are insane figures ! The power of a little girl and her parents should never be underestimated.

I could be wrong, but I was rather sure that was Spider-Man.

[Super Aurora]

Also stop acting like women don't get their fair share of political advantages.

40 yr old man touch young girl- gets 30+ years in jail + nasty social stigma

40 yr women or even younger does same to young boy(bonus points if the suspect is super hot)- gets slap on the wrist/ community service with mild social stigma.

Oh, is that so?

Former Senior High teacher gets 30 days for rape of student

A Yellowstone County district judge Monday ordered a former Senior High teacher convicted of raping a 14-year-old female student who later committed suicide to spend 30 days in jail.

Judge G. Todd Baugh sentenced Stacey Dean Rambold to 15 years in prison, with all but 31 days suspended, for sexual intercourse without consent.

Rambold, 54, will be given credit for one day already served. He was handcuffed and led to jail at the close of the hearing.

http://billingsgazette.com/news/local/c ... Ibxk.email

That's bad.

But I was speaking of in overall. Stuff what you posted is extremely rare. But it's not just in a rape case either I could speak of. In any criminal court system, More often than not a woman would get lesser sentence or charge of the same crime a man commits. It's in the news all the time. My point when I brought that up was the double standard People here whining that women have it so hard compared to men. Especially over some stupid trivial crap like representation in a fucking Disney movie. This isn't ancient civilization to 1800 anymore where women in western world DID suffer greatly. Today, they still get some unfair stuff like some lower pay, or abortion rights etc, but for overall most part, they been getting just as much of good treatment as men. They can vote, join the army, work, hold office, etc. Something they couldn't do if this was 1800 or before.