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2099net wrote: I think Lucas has no integrity - artistic or personal. He alters his own work at the drop of a hat (just becasue he "can", he doesn't stop to think if he should or why he's doing it).
This is one of my favorite topics, I must say. Lucas created a masterpiece years ago, before I was born...and to this day, those three films live on to a degree that he could have only thought of in a dream.
His geeky science fiction story appeals to nearly every person. They even have classes in some universities which teach the dynamics of the Star Wars Trilogy, (mine does!).
Anyway, now, years later he goes back to edit those movies to make them more consistant with the prequels and with each other. (i.e. Jaba the Hut being a person at first, then a squishy blob later on). I'm personally glad he's making these changes. While I may end up not liking the changed...in the end, they are his masterpiece, and he has the right to change them as he sees fit. Like I said, I may not like it, but I have copies of the original version and the anniversery release, so he can remake the movie a million times, I have the copies I want. You can toss loyalty to fans and whatnot at me, but the bottom line is Star Wars would not exist without Lucas, and while the Fans made it famous, it's obvious that he's going to do as he pleases, complaining about it isn't going to do any good.
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It makes sense to me. They are all at the age when they were last Jedi Knights - Anakin was last a Jedi when he was in his 20s, Obi-Wan and Yoda were last Jedi in their old age.
Hmm...ok, I guess I'll buy that, but it sucks to be Obi Wan and Yoda, then. ;)
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Disneykid wrote:
It makes sense to me. They are all at the age when they were last Jedi Knights - Anakin was last a Jedi when he was in his 20s, Obi-Wan and Yoda were last Jedi in their old age.
Hmm...ok, I guess I'll buy that, but it sucks to be Obi Wan and Yoda, then. ;)
Actually, in the Star Wars Universe you become 'one with the Force' when you die. Notice that no one has come back in spirit form in the prequels yet with the notable exception of Qui Gon's voice in Episode II. I believe Qui Gon discovered a way to remanifest himself in our world and will teach that lesson to Yoda and Obi Wan. According to Expanded Universe lore, Yoda and Obi Wan helped Anakin to appear at the end of Jedi so he could see his son one final time. In the novels Obi Wan appears only for a short while until he explains to Luke that he no longer has the will to continue to manifest himself in spirit form.
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I should also add that the attitude of "this is horrid...but I will probably still buy it", just encourages Lucas.

Apart from the angry fan response, the internet campaigns with thousands of people, the stern letter writers etc, if people buy the DVDs, how is Lucas going to know we don't approve of the set?

He is like a naughty little boy in class - if you stop paying attention to all the stupid things he does, he might just start doing the right thing.
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^ if every internet kid in the world blackballed this release it still wouldnt hold the slightest impact.
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Indeed. Maybe I am to blame (and the others like me), but I'm going to get the Star Wars trilogy on DVD (been waiting for years), perfect or not. I hardly think that revokes my right to be PO'd at unnecessary changes. :P We all buy Disney's altered stuff too. '

Tis better to have bought and complained then never to have bought at all. :lol:

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It all bothers me a lot, but I know my hubby will be buying this set. It honestly wouldn't bug me at all if consumers had a choice between the SE and the original version. Has the original version been released in any of the other regions? We just got a DVD player that isn't region coded so I'm thinking about picking up the original versions if I can from another region.

Is it wrong that the thought of Lucas dying and the originals finally coming out gave me something to look forward to???? :lol: :lol:
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Also it was written "MMBoy from the land of the toons came to loomis from the land of the Looms with sad news. They both talked and planned. For this is written that both will buy this set"

I'm pissed that Lucas can just take actors off his movies. I don't think it's fair to put Christensen at the end of jedi same replacing the old emperor with the new! How many sequels are in this world that don't have the same actors? they're still good! He could at least have left that untouched! for respect to the actors!
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Yeah, that bothers me more than anything else. The replaced actors should get to scream on a commentary track. :P

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MickeyMouseboy wrote: I don't think it's fair to put Christensen at the end of jedi same replacing the old emperor with the new! How many sequels are in this world that don't have the same actors? they're still good! He could at least have left that untouched! for respect to the actors!
I am still in "I'll believe it when I see it" mode as far as all these changes go, not to say they won't happen, but I will wait for official word or when I have the discs themselves.

In response to the two above mentioned changes in particular, I don't think that adding Hayden to the end was neccessary, but the Emperor change I totally agree with. The Empire Strikes Back Emperor was an old woman in heavy make up with chimpanzee eyes superimposed on it. Ian McDiarmid was the Emperor in Return of the Jedi, Episode I, II, and III. Makes sense to add him in Empire and I will be glad to see him there!
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I'm not gonna rant. Others have done it and done it well.
But i'll say my Piece in the form of a Lament



Star Wars is a dead film whose spirit lives only on analog video, the best version, in Laserdisc form.

Joe Carioca wrote:Hmm, I wonder if we are gonna have to wait until George Lucas is dead for us to see the versions that the George Lucas of the seventies wanted us to see them.

I think the original negatives, interpositives, internegatives, and most of the prints have been destroyed. If any print survives it's probably magenta by now unless someone (Lucas?) has a UK 35mm Technicolor IB print hidden somewhere. The other 2 movies didn't have Technicolor prints, But Star Wars (and the other 2) was released in 70mm and its effects were done in VistaVision. 70mm Star Wars is a different beast than 35mm Star Wars. And 70mm Star Wars (if it even exists in any form) is magenta

The Special Edition prints looked fuzzy grainy and even with it's $11 milion "restoration" they didn't look half as good as the 70mm prints I saw. Oh and the "restoration" still had magenta shadows and green highlights (or was it the other way around? heh) The original Laserdisc looked much better and colorful.

So mmm I hope I'm wrong but unless a miracle occurs, Joe, I'm afraid we'll never see the real Star Wars again as it was. Not even after that "event". Even if the Technicolor print survives, prints are dupes, they have more grain and less resolution than negatives. And 35mm has half of VistaVision so the effects will never look again as they did in 70mm. Too bad. The Opening VistaVision Star Derstroyer was one of the best openings EVER.

The Emperor in ESB looked to all of us back them to be a clone of a shaved Alec Guinness (who was a more familiar face those days) so the resemblance was more obvious then than now.

But I guess I stopped worrying (or caring) about new changes a long time ago since I think I'll never have those THRILLS again and
I guess i'll play with my 268 pixels Laserdiscs and the coming 362 pixel Altered Edition PAL versions and use my imagination. (And one day we'll get 800 pixel Re-Altered Editions etc etc secula sculorum Amen).

My question is: Will the Damn Star Destroyer finally come from hard BEHIND again in the Dolby/DTX 6 channel mix as it hasn't in 30 years?


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Damn...I was hoping that Hayden Christiansen rumor would be false...

I guess the only sensible things to do are:

1. Suck it up and get this second touch-up done by Lucas (I didn't mind the 1997 changes).
2. Scour the planet for laserdiscs of the originals
3. Go to the Skywalker Ranch, hold Mr. Lucas at gunpoint, and demand that he release the originals on DVD.

I'm probably gonna end up doing the first one for now, the second in several years when I can afford to go laserdisc hunting, and the third when Lucas decides to touch it up once again with 3-D effects, Smellovision, and recasting the left side of Mark Hamill's face with Hayden Christiansen (to represent the facts that he's Anakin's son and that we all have a bad-acting dark side).

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Escapay wrote: 3. Go to the Skywalker Ranch, hold Mr. Lucas at gunpoint, and demand that he release the originals on DVD.
I like that! Can I go with you? :lol: :lol:
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Escapay, two words:

"Wesa free."
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This is a wookie???

http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/image. ... h_sw36.jpg

looks like an overgrown fat ewok to me. Wher are his fangs??

Oh I get it, that's not a grown ewok, it must be a baby wookie! And those are his milk teeth.. :roll:
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Joshua Clinard wrote:I would of course, like to have the original versions made available, for prosperity's sake, ...
Prosperity's sake? To make George Lucas even richer? or did you mean posterity?
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I think Ill wait until he takes out all the actors and replaces them with CGI.
I know my room mate will buy these. maybe I can just borrow them.

I am afraid of the temptation if I see them on sale somewhere though.... :oops:
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I'll have to say that these changes don't bother me. As long as the movies remain good I'll be fine. Oh and one more thing I seem to recall in the commentary for Fellowship of the Ring Exetended Edition. During the Mines of Moria sequence when we see a little bit of Gollum and notice he's green. Well Peter Jackson mentioned that eventually Gollum will be tweaked to look the the Gollum of the last two films. Not as extensive as the changes to Star Wars.
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I don't know why, but somehow the Gollum thing doesn't bug me as much. He was computer generated to start, and he's just getting an upgrade. I really hate total changes of format; like the special edition of ET and his creepy CG face, or changing actors.
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