'Food (and Treasure Planet) Fight'

indianajdp · Post by **indianajdp** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 6:06 pm

STASHONE wrote:I saw Treasure Planet on satelite last night and I wish I hadnt...

What did you dislike about it?

Disneykid · Post by **Disneykid** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 6:13 pm

Perhaps he meant because it was in pan and scan? At least I *HOPE* that's what he meant...

STASHONE · Post by **STASHONE** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:40 pm

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indianajdp · Post by **indianajdp** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:50 pm

STASHONE wrote:
First off, without delving into the actual substantial content, or shall I say, lack of depth in this film... the first apparent flaw for me was the overall apparent aesthetics of the presentation which seemed blatantly directed towards a botched perception of the cliche "cool-conscious" & rough-edged pre-teen American boy as is seen in the main character with his cheesy 80's pony tail, corny hipster dialogue and celestial surfboard. I can honestly say that I hated all of the characters and their personalities, I wasnt able to connect with a single one. They're existence seemed to personify what I feel was the only motivation of the project which was it's marketability - a younger audience satisfied with a simple script and fast-paced colorful animation, neither of which attain the aspects of an above average film which seems apparent as Treasure Planet was not a box-office success. Anyways, the storyline and plot were pretty basic (though supposedly derived from Robert Louis Stevenson's classic novel, shamefully void of all insight), uninspiring and the soundtrack in itself was an all out trainwreck. Visually, I will give the film some credit as it did offer some imaginative and elaborate sequences however I found the pressence of such facets which would otherwise be favored, to exist only to fill the empty and useless timeslots which make up the bulk of this hapless attempt at a profitable film. This was an obvious commercial ploy to bank off ticket sales, there was not much passion put into this project. It had definite potential in it's concept but unfortunately the writers sacrificed quality and efficieny with a terrible script and a resulting flat out, inanimate production better suited to an audience of young boys who think the floating pirate ship looks cool.

I sense that you are holding back ... now tell us how you REALLY feel

Well, I just saw the film for the first time last week and was pleasantly surprised by it. Maybe it's because I had heard so many blase comments about it that I wasn't expecting much. I dunno...but I assure you that I am not a young boy that thinks a "floating pirate ship looks cool"

I think you are dead on about the characters, though. They definietly are not as easy to connect with as in past Disney films. Really my favorite character was the so-called villain, who wasn't a true Disney villain at all. B.E.N. and Morph were the other two I thought were fun.

Maerj · Post by **Maerj** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:52 pm

STASHONE wrote:
indianajdp wrote: What did you dislike about it?
First off, without delving into the actual substantial content, or shall I say, lack of depth in this film... the first apparent flaw for me was the overall apparent aesthetics of the presentation which seemed blatantly directed towards a botched perception of the cliche "cool-conscious" & rough-edged pre-teen American boy as is seen in the main character with his cheesy 80's pony tail, corny hipster dialogue and celestial surfboard. I can honestly say that I hated all of the characters and their personalities, I wasnt able to connect with a single one. They're existence seemed to personify what I feel was the only motivation of the project which was it's marketability - a younger audience satisfied with a simple script and fast-paced colorful animation, neither of which attain the aspects of an above average film which seems apparent as Treasure Planet was not a box-office success. Anyways, the storyline and plot were pretty basic (though supposedly derived from Robert Louis Stevenson's classic novel, shamefully void of all insight), uninspiring and the soundtrack in itself was an all out trainwreck. Visually, I will give the film some credit as it did offer some imaginative and elaborate sequences however I found the pressence of such facets which would otherwise be favored, to exist only to fill the empty and useless timeslots which make up the bulk of this hapless attempt at a profitable film. This was an obvious commercial ploy to bank off ticket sales, there was not much passion put into this project. It had definite potential in it's concept but unfortunately the writers sacrificed quality and efficieny with a terrible script and a resulting flat out, inanimate production better suited to an audience of young boys who think the floating pirate ship looks cool.

Hey! Who died and made you Gene Siskel? Oh... I guess it was Gene Siskel...

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:54 pm

STASHONE wrote:
indianajdp wrote: What did you dislike about it?
First off, without delving into the actual substantial content, or shall I say, lack of depth in this film... the first apparent flaw for me was the overall apparent aesthetics of the presentation which seemed blatantly directed towards a botched perception of the cliche "cool-conscious" & rough-edged pre-teen American boy as is seen in the main character with his cheesy 80's pony tail, corny hipster dialogue and celestial surfboard. I can honestly say that I hated all of the characters and their personalities, I wasnt able to connect with a single one. They're existence seemed to personify what I feel was the only motivation of the project which was it's marketability - a younger audience satisfied with a simple script and fast-paced colorful animation, neither of which attain the aspects of an above average film which seems apparent as Treasure Planet was not a box-office success. Anyways, the storyline and plot were pretty basic (though supposedly derived from Robert Louis Stevenson's classic novel, shamefully void of all insight), uninspiring and the soundtrack in itself was an all out trainwreck. Visually, I will give the film some credit as it did offer some imaginative and elaborate sequences however I found the pressence of such facets which would otherwise be favored, to exist only to fill the empty and useless timeslots which make up the bulk of this hapless attempt at a profitable film. This was an obvious commercial ploy to bank off ticket sales, there was not much passion put into this project. It had definite potential in it's concept but unfortunately the writers sacrificed quality and efficieny with a terrible script and a resulting flat out, inanimate production better suited to an audience of young boys who think the floating pirate ship looks cool.

Although I don't agree with your opinions on that film, I do tend to disagree with most of them.

STASHONE · Post by **STASHONE** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:56 pm

youre a moron. why dont you work on your forming of cohesive sentences next time you decide to type an ignorant rant in defense of a stupid cartoon movie. you must be one of those imprudent pre-teen boys I spoke of... in that case, sorry to offend.

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:58 pm

STASHONE wrote:youre a moron.

oh my my that use of the English language. we don't need people that cuss in this forum!

jabroni76 · Post by **jabroni76** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:00 pm

Where are the sites frickin filters.... Luke -- I told you to fix those eon's ago...

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:02 pm

like Judge Claude Frollo said "we need to send this unholy demon back to where it came!"

gotta love the villains!

jabroni76 · Post by **jabroni76** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:03 pm

Where did this come from? phpBB? netfirms? indianajp? Heck, just send it to Eisner and call it a done deal!

indianajdp · Post by **indianajdp** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:04 pm

MickeyMouseboy wrote:

sorry stashone but dont try to imitate jim hill with your writting style cause is stupid. second who cares about the film not connecting or whatever you call it is a freaking disney film is not Gone with the Wind animated movie or something! get over it!

....

plus you're just another one who hasn't seen em all yet so i couldnt take you seriously move on rookie!

MMB, he was simply stating why he didn't like the movie...just his opinion. No need to slam him for doing that. And just because he hasn't seen all of the Disney Classics doesn't mean he can't have an educated thought about one that he has seen. Hell, if that were truly the criteria there would be very few critics able to write about them and even fewer members on this board to discuss them

Prince Phillip · Post by **Prince Phillip** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:09 pm

Well, it seems this thread has gone way off topic. I am about to post what I hope is the last on this matter beforew posting an on topice message.

I personally loved Yreasure Planet, and connected with the character of Jim. I loved B.E.N. I thought he was hilarious! and Morph was kinda cool.

... But hey, I totally respect your opinion STASHONE. Sorry Maerj and MickyMouseBoy, but not every Disney movie is holly or whatever you guys like to preach. Disney has made some real flops, that weren't just sequels or whatever. You can still be a true disney film and not like everything Disney has come out with.

Disney, holds a special place in many peoples hearts and when they watch disney films they expect what they are promised, magic. If they do not find the magic in a film they are probably going to be pretty disappointed. While some films might be alright or whatever and you can enjoy them, you don't want to have to settle for that in disney, you want to love the movie.

Ok I will get down off my soapbox, now and hope I haven't angered too many people.

I also liked the theme song

Urgh... I just caught Atlantis on TV this weekend... well I will save that for another post...

Maerj · Post by **Maerj** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:14 pm

Prince Phillip wrote:Well, it seems this thread has gone way off topic. I am about to post what I hope is the last on this matter beforew posting an on topice message.

I personally loved Yreasure Planet, and connected with the character of Jim. I loved B.E.N. I thought he was hilarious! and Morph was kinda cool.

... But hey, I totally respect your opinion STASHONE. Sorry Maerj and MickyMouseBoy, but not every Disney movie is holy or whatever you guys like to preach. Disney has made some real flops, that weren't just sequels or whatever. You can still be a true disney film and not like everything Disney has come out with.

I was just joking around since it was such a venomous post, but I thank you for the info!

STASHONE · Post by **STASHONE** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:16 pm

indianajdp wrote:
MMB, he was simply stating why he didn't like the movie...just his opinion. No need to slam him for doing that. And just because he hasn't seen all of the Disney Classics doesn't mean he can't have an educated thought about one that he has seen. Hell, if that were truly the criteria there would be very few critics able to write about them and even fewer members on this board to discuss them

its cool indiana, his insightful post about jim hill and gone with the wind proves the genius behind those pixels. i shouldnt comment though, i havent seen lilo and stich yet...

this is coming from a guy that finds the cheesy electric guitar riffs of james howard and bb mak to compile an excellent soundtrack. i just hope he doesnt throw a temper tantrum every time somebody writes a review of the jungle book 2.

STASHONE · Post by **STASHONE** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:18 pm

anyways... i didnt like the movie.

im done arguing about cartoons, continue with the thread now.

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:32 pm

indianajdp wrote:
MickeyMouseboy wrote:

sorry stashone but dont try to imitate jim hill with your writting style cause is stupid. second who cares about the film not connecting or whatever you call it is a freaking disney film is not Gone with the Wind animated movie or something! get over it!

....

plus you're just another one who hasn't seen em all yet so i couldnt take you seriously move on rookie!
MMB, he was simply stating why he didn't like the movie...just his opinion. No need to slam him for doing that. And just because he hasn't seen all of the Disney Classics doesn't mean he can't have an educated thought about one that he has seen. Hell, if that were truly the criteria there would be very few critics able to write about them and even fewer members on this board to discuss them

Sorry Indiana but Stashone apparently hasn't seen the movie because of his statements posted is "his" previous post, saying it was marketed for preteens . If so why did he even bother to see it if the movie was not in his level? If he indeed went see it at the theater (which he didnt do research to see what other movies were against it) , which apparently he did not! Treasure Planet's flop was not due to it's lack of connection with... how did I describe them? Mr. Arrow? I said something rather good this morning before coffee. "Lack of connection with the ludicrous parcel of driveling galoots" there you go, Poetry! So Indiana and Stashone I'd love to chat-- tea, cake, the whole shebang, but I have a movie to watch, and stashone needs buffer his used VHS collection for sale and you need to catch up on your Disney movies.

STASHONE · Post by **STASHONE** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:42 pm

did you flunk grade 4 english?

Prince Phillip · Post by **Prince Phillip** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:46 pm

When will the fighting stop...

(By fighting I meen bickery, slid remarks...) As Loomis said in another post, and as I have been saying for years "Make Love NOT War.

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:47 pm

STASHONE wrote:did you flunk grade 4 english?

"not me!!! the ACE!", "YOU?" "not me! the Tree!" "OFF WITH HIS HEAD!"

pomp·ous

1 : excessively elevated or ornate <pompous rhetoric>
2 : having or exhibiting self-importance : ARROGANT <a pompous politician>
3 : relating to or suggestive of pomp : MAGNIFICENT

Why Thank You Webster! Now you can go off with Mrs. Potts!

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