Finding Dory

[Kyle]

Finding Dory? really? I'm worried we'll end up with another cars 2 situation where they take a lovable supporting character and make them star in the sequel, making me dislike the character. I also did not want to find anyone in the sequel. Unless it was finding the Great Barrier Reef, since the real life version is dead now.

I'm sure Ellen is overjoyed about the whole thing though.

[kbehm29]

Ellen seems quite excited about the new script, which is promising to me. I'm not in love with Finding Nemo - but it can be defined as a good movie with rewatch value. It will be a nice place to revisit - I still have faith in Pixar.
I'm actually more excited for this one than I am about Monsters University. I hope to be proven wrong there.

[DisneyDude2010]

Ellen Announces 'Finding Dory

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JJmDavBXrw[/youtube]
The montage though is hilarious.

(The awkward moment when the audience think Ellen's joking!)

[Kyle]

Ellen seems quite excited about the new script, which is promising to me. I'm not in love with Finding Nemo - but it can be defined as a good movie with rewatch value. It will be a nice place to revisit - I still have faith in Pixar.
I'm actually more excited for this one than I am about Monsters University. I hope to be proven wrong there.

Of course she's excited, she probably has more lines with it staring her character now.

[PatrickvD]

Dory's emotional 'breakdown' over her memory loss is Finding Nemo's best scene. I hope they can come up with a clever and emotional arc for Dory in this spin-off that doesn't feel like treading water (pun intended).

[DisneyAnimation88]

Finding Dory? really? I'm worried we'll end up with another cars 2 situation where they take a lovable supporting character and make them star in the sequel, making me dislike the character. I also did not want to find anyone in the sequel. Unless it was finding the Great Barrier Reef, since the real life version is dead now.

I can understand that but I think Dory is a far more appealing character than Mater ever was. Mater is the type of character who is good in a supporting role because the only way he's really tolerable over an extended length of time is in smaller doses. I think there's a lot more to Dory's character that would allow her to carry a film, she's funny in a way that isn't slapstick or over the top and she can also carry the more emotional scenes like she did at times in Finding Nemo. I loved the character so I'm looking forward to his but I can understand why you would think "not another Cars 2", as soon as I saw the title the same thought went through my head but I think Dory is a much better character than Mater.

[Semaj]

Except for the fact that the vast majority of fans actually WANT to see more of these characters. If the movie is done well, who the hell cares that it's a sequel. Don't be so negative.

Agreed.

The art of storytelling allows for the narrative to always be ever-expanding and ever-changing. I no longer understand why some people have some misplaced idealism that every story ever told is suddenly so sacred it should never be changed or revisited in the future. That's the very nature of storytelling, and has been for eons. The same stories get changed, modified, re-told, and occasionally untold in various ways. No story is so "untouchable" that it can't be revisited. Otherwise that's killing the story. Every story deserves a new voice now and then, otherwise it will die. Some stories work best when new voices contribute to it regularly; just look at how many versions of A Christmas Carol exist. Revivals and remakes and sequels have become nasty words for naive or narrowminded filmgoers who fail to understand that true storytelling will always involves a new voice coming in now and then to tell the same story, adding what they can to its living narrative.

Albert

The only problem is that A Christmas Carol has been told and re-told so many times that it has gotten stale.

This campaign for a sequel is really sickening. I'm coming off as a party pooper, but I get so sick and tired of good movies being ruined by follow-ups that fail to match the quality of the original. The same people are later going to be whining and crying and ultimately HATING Pixar after they wasted their lives asking for a stupid sequel in the first place.

You'd think after so many other movie studios and franchises ignored common sense, reaching that point where they went too far, where people now remember what ruined the original about as much or more than the original itself that they wouldn't let this happen to Pixar.

It's called "leaving well enough alone".

[disneyboy20022]

I do want to see these characters again, however I'm going to be cautiously optimistic about this due to Cars 2. If done right it could be a very entertaining movie. I will say this title is predictable though I'm glad we're not going on another mission to find Nemo again. That would be like if Liam Neeson would do a Taken 3. Stay out of EUROPE

[DisneyAnimation88]

This campaign for a sequel is really sickening. I'm coming off as a party pooper, but I get so sick and tired of good movies being ruined by follow-ups that fail to match the quality of the original. The same people are later going to be whining and crying and ultimately HATING Pixar after they wasted their lives asking for a stupid sequel in the first place.

It's a bit premature to say that about this film though, there's no way of saying one way or the other right now but it could well end up proving to be just as good as Finding Nemo. Some sequels don't match up and harm the appeal of the originals, others have matched or surpassed it. All we know about this film so far is the title and a basic story outline, it's going to be a while before we can judge it against Finding Nemo. I can't really say anything against people who loved Nemo wanting to see a sequel, my favourite Pixar film is The Incredibles and I would love to see a sequel one day.

[Neal]

I knew it would be called "Finding Dory" as far back as 2009, see look I must be psychic!!!

[Sotiris]

In ‘Finding Dory,’ she will be reunited with her loved ones, learning a few things about the meaning of family along the way.

From the description it sounds like just another generic animated film about the importance of family. Why does every animated film have to explore the same theme over and over? We get it, Hollywood! Can we focus on something else for a change?

Finding Dory? really? I'm worried we'll end up with another Cars 2 situation where they take a lovable supporting character and make them star in the sequel.

It looks that's the approach Pixar's taking with their sequels now. They are doing the same with MU.

[Barbossa]

Finding Ellen? Where in the hell is The Incredibles 2?!?

[SWillie!]

From the description it sounds like just another generic animated film about the importance of family. Why does every animated film have to explore the same theme over and over? We get it, Hollywood! Can we focus on something else for a change?

I know, what an awful lesson...

Yes, there are a lot that focus on that theme, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that as long as there ARE different movies with different themes, as well. Which there are. I'm sick of the sequel hate. A sequel does not "ruin" the original. Does anyone look down on the Lion King? Cinderella? Toy Story? No! They are still beloved classics, despite having sequels (good and bad). If you don't like sequels, then don't watch them. As for the rest of us (it takes only a few seconds on any social media site to see how the overwhelming majority of fans are SUPER PUMPED for Finding Dory), we'll enjoy the chance to go on another adventure with our favorite characters. If it turns out awful? Well that stinks, but at least we still have the original to watch.

[Escapay]

The only problem is that A Christmas Carol has been told and re-told so many times that it has gotten stale.

Perhaps, or the fact that it's been told and re-told so many times shows just how versatile the material is. Some may see it as stale, I see it as a continuing potential.

As for the argument of "the original is ruined by a bad sequel," I can't follow that. Mainly because the original remains what it was before the sequel was ever made. If it's a great movie, it's still a great movie, no matter how good or bad the follow-up is. If it's a terrible movie followed by a redeeming sequel, it's still a terrible movie (case in point: Star Trek: The Motion Picture followed by Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan). What changes is the audience's perception of the movie. That's something that can affect a movie more than a sequel.

For example, is The Empire Strikes Back any worse of a film simply because it was followed up by Return of the Jedi? Do viewers suddenly hate X2: X-Men United because X-Men: The Last Stand was such a disappointment? I can't speak for The Godfather (I've only seen bits and pieces, never the entirety), but surely people still embrace the first two films even though the third did not live up to its legacy.

Nothing changes in those films. They're still excellent. What the audience takes from them now - due to a sequel - is the difference.

As I said before, I'm excited for Finding Dory. I loved the first film, and regardless how good or bad the second one is, I'm still going to love it. Hopefully I'll love the second as much, or maybe more, as I do the first. We'll have to wait until 2015 to find out.

A sequel does not "ruin" the original. Does anyone look down on the Lion King? Cinderella? Toy Story? No! They are still beloved classics, despite having sequels (good and bad).

Some sequels don't match up and harm the appeal of the originals, others have matched or surpassed it.

Exactly!

Albert

[Sotiris]

Yes, there are a lot that focus on that theme, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that as long as there ARE different movies with different themes, as well. Which there are.

I'm not talking about films in general; I'm talking about animated ones. You can't deny that there's a severe lack of thematic diversity in mainstream animated films. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with familial themes but it'd be refreshing if they could focus on something else for a change.

Perhaps, or the fact that it's been told and re-told so many times shows just how versatile the material is. Some may see it as stale, I see it as a continuing potential.

A Christmas Carol has been run into the ground. It's been adapted so many times not because of it's continuing potential but because of Hollywood's lack of originality and fear of risk-taking. It's easier and safer to adapt a well-known pre-existing property rather than coming up with something new and different.

[Semaj]

As for the argument of "the original is ruined by a bad sequel," I can't follow that. Mainly because the original remains what it was before the sequel was ever made. If it's a great movie, it's still a great movie, no matter how good or bad the follow-up is. If it's a terrible movie followed by a redeeming sequel, it's still a terrible movie (case in point: Star Trek: The Motion Picture followed by Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan). What changes is the audience's perception of the movie. That's something that can affect a movie more than a sequel.

For example, is The Empire Strikes Back any worse of a film simply because it was followed up by Return of the Jedi? Do viewers suddenly hate X2: X-Men United because X-Men: The Last Stand was such a disappointment? I can't speak for The Godfather (I've only seen bits and pieces, never the entirety), but surely people still embrace the first two films even though the third did not live up to its legacy.

If people didn't like the first film, any given follow-up is unlikely to improve their perception of the original (Cars being an obvious example).

Also, it's usually the latter example, and the stigma they give the original that's the end result from so many recent follow-ups. Many Disney fans, like with The Little Mermaid have to deal with the clueless fans who insist we acknowledge the video sequel, no matter how much it warps the characters. That Ariel now has a daughter. That Ursula had a sister we were never told about. Stuff that's not even canon, but people accept it as such anyway, simply for that fact that it exists.

As for Star Wars, a more accurate account would be the first trilogy against the second trilogy. Many fans who cherish the first probably don't want to hear from fanboys of the latter who LOVE Jar Jar Binks, or have little interest in the first trilogy at all.

There's too many instances of fanbases being divided between old and new, canon and non-canon, etc. that I don't want that to happen to Pixar. Though now it very well might, the fault lying on those who BEGGED them for sequels from the beginning.

[SWillie!]

That Ariel now has a daughter. That Ursula had a sister we were never told about. Stuff that's not even canon, but people accept it as such anyway, simply for that fact that it exists.

How is that not canon?? It's officially Disney property - they acknowledge it in the Parks with meet and greet characters. Ask Ariel about Melody, and she'll be happy to tell you about her. That's canon. Just because it was made by DisneyToon and not WDAS doesn't mean it isn't canon, or that it isn't "real". You can pretend all you want that it doesn't exist, but you can't expect others to do the same just because you personally don't like it.

And it's the same with ALL the examples you mention, and all others. Star Wars fans don't want to hear from fans of the prequel trilogy? Well I'm sorry, but that's their problem. They can't expect those fans to just pretend like something they enjoy simply doesn't exist. They may not agree in enjoying it, but to expect others to have this same high-and-mighty outlook on what they themselves deem worthy of their attention is just ridiculous.

[Semaj]

You just proved the point I was making.

[SWillie!]

You just proved the point I was making.

I know that, but the point you're making is wrong. You're one of those people who believe that everyone else should feel the same way as you in your hatred towards any kind of sequel or remake. But it's wrong of you to expect that. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean it isn't 'canon', or that other people aren't allowed to enjoy it.

Like it or not, the Disney sequels ARE canon, and the Star Wars prequels really happened, and have a fanbase.

Edit- Also, your point about this separation among fans that could happen to Pixar being the fault of those wanting the sequel is SO off base. If there becomes any separation, then it's the fault of those with your same high-and-mighty thinking that any sequel is trash. By refusing to accept even the idea of sequels, YOU'RE the one creating the separation.

[Sotiris]

The issue of what's canon or not is quite complex when it comes to a company as large and international as Disney. The lines have become very blurred. Basically, everything created by the company and its subsidiaries could be considered canon. From video games like Kingdom Hearts or Nasira's Revenge to TV series like Stitch!, manga like Kilala Princess, novels like Kingdom Keepers or the Disney Fairies series, to every official comic book, magazine and storybook out there. Following such a canon is not only an impossible task but it results in many inconsistencies and contradictions.