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TsWade2 wrote:Look what I found from the WDAS: https://careers.disneyanimation.com/job ... ion?id=282
SWillie!, that's a great opportunity. You should apply.
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Sotiris wrote:
TsWade2 wrote:Look what I found from the WDAS: https://careers.disneyanimation.com/job ... ion?id=282
SWillie!, that's a great opportunity. You should apply.
Thanks a lot for thinking of me! I actually have applied to that for the past two summers. Last year I got a call saying that I had made it into the final round of cuts and they gave me some great feedback as to what I should work on. This year however I'm graduating in May, and the internship positions are only for students returning to school in the fall. For graduates, they have a program called Talent Development, which is a longer 6 month program that starts in August. I'll be applying to that one this year!

Thanks so much for thinking of me anyways! I think I'm getting close... I can't wait for the day when I can come and post that I probably won't be around here much anymore... :D
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I hope your dream comes true for you Swillie:) Back on topic.. I recently dug up some old animation dvd's I own. Among them Shakespeare the Animated Tales. Russian animation that tells several Shakespearian tales in different techniques. While one can question wether or not all the different outings are all that succesfull I applaud them for trying out different artistic strokes. Telling a tale by painting on (stained) glass, stop-motion or "plain 2-d", all mix up rather nicely. That got me to think.. Why has Disney, or any other studio for that matter , not made use of all of it's techniques in telling one (set of)story. By that off course I mean the blending of animation styles.Surely such tales can be found and talent brought in. Can it be the costs incolved? The lack of interest from the public? Can ayone help me in trying to understand why this has yet to happen?
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SWillie! wrote:
Sotiris wrote: SWillie!, that's a great opportunity. You should apply.
Thanks a lot for thinking of me! I actually have applied to that for the past two summers. Last year I got a call saying that I had made it into the final round of cuts and they gave me some great feedback as to what I should work on. This year however I'm graduating in May, and the internship positions are only for students returning to school in the fall. For graduates, they have a program called Talent Development, which is a longer 6 month program that starts in August. I'll be applying to that one this year!

Thanks so much for thinking of me anyways! I think I'm getting close... I can't wait for the day when I can come and post that I probably won't be around here much anymore... :D
Good luck SWillie! :)
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If Lasseter can support a black and white, stop-motion animated feature like Frankenweenie, why can't he do the same for a hand-drawn animated film?

Q: I was reading that John Lasseter was one of the first people to back this project so how important was it getting him on board?

Don Hahn: I think it was really important because he is a good friend and he has incredibly good taste. On his first day at Disney, after Disney had bought Pixar, I was running Disney Animation at the time and he came in and we went through several different projects.

One of those projects was Wreck-It Ralph, this was six years ago, and one of those projects was Frankenweenie. The conversation about Frankenweenie lasted about fifteen seconds it was like ‘What’s this? Frankenweenie? Is Tim doing it? Great.’ It was really that.

John went over to London and had dinner with Tim, they hadn’t seen each other in a long time, and I think there was just camaraderie and a trust between those two artists. John said ‘how can we not support this guy? He is going to make something special for us’.
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Great question.

I've no idea. :(
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Sotiris wrote:If Lasseter can support a black and white, stop-motion animated feature like Frankenweenie, why can't he do the same for a hand-drawn animated film?

Q: I was reading that John Lasseter was one of the first people to back this project so how important was it getting him on board?

Don Hahn: I think it was really important because he is a good friend and he has incredibly good taste. On his first day at Disney, after Disney had bought Pixar, I was running Disney Animation at the time and he came in and we went through several different projects.

One of those projects was Wreck-It Ralph, this was six years ago, and one of those projects was Frankenweenie. The conversation about Frankenweenie lasted about fifteen seconds it was like ‘What’s this? Frankenweenie? Is Tim doing it? Great.’ It was really that.

John went over to London and had dinner with Tim, they hadn’t seen each other in a long time, and I think there was just camaraderie and a trust between those two artists. John said ‘how can we not support this guy? He is going to make something special for us’.
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Q: I was wondering if 2D animation is still in the list of movies that you would produce. I know we got hints of it in Paperman, but I was just wondering if there are any other plans for that.

Bob Iger: To my knowledge, we are not developing a hand-drawn animated feature film right now. There is a fair amount of activity going on in hand-drawn animation, but it's largely for television at this point. We are not necessarily ruling out the possibility of a feature but there isn't any development at the company at the moment.

Q: Could you share with us some of your future plans for Oswald the Lucky Rabbit?

Bob Iger: I am not aware of any animation work that's being done right now or film entertainment for Oswald but he did appear as a character in Epic Mickey games 1 & 2, and I am sure there is other activity going on about Oswald but at this point the company is really large and I may not be aware of all of it.
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Steve Hulett wrote:A hand-drawn animated feature is a long-form movie that looks like Snow White, Dumbo, Gulliver's Travels, 101 Dalmatians, Beauty and the Beast and/or Lion King.

Ron Clements and John Musker are developing a feature at Walt Disney Animation Studios, and it has "elements" of hand-drawn animation in it. (That's about all I'm going to say.) Does it look like any of the features named above? Don't think so. Doesn't even look like Paperman.

So you can say: "Yes! A hand-drawn animated feature!" and be technically ... sort of ... right. But if somebody goes into a theater thinking they'll see a Disney animated feature in the "Nine Old Men" style, they'll be disappointed. Because it will bear more resemblance to one of the new CG features we've come to know and love.

However, I'm happy to tell you that the studio is working on hand-drawn shorts. But that's a couple of clicks distant from a hand-drawn feature.
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On the positive side, they are working on an animated feature in the Paperman style. That's the closest we're getting to a hand-drawn film at the moment.

It just seems odd that John Lasseter, who got his start in hand-drawn animation and is known for being a supporter of the medium, would be behind this decision. But I guess he only has so much power.

Bob Iger will be stepping down in two years, so maybe his replacement will be more open to it. Kathleen Kennedy is still my #1 choice to be the new CEO of Disney.
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estefan wrote:On the positive side, they are working on an animated feature in the Paperman style. That's the closest we're getting to a hand-drawn film at the moment.

It just seems odd that John Lasseter, who got his start in hand-drawn animation and is known for being a supporter of the medium, would be behind this decision. But I guess he only has so much power.

Bob Iger will be stepping down in two years, so maybe his replacement will be more open to it. Kathleen Kennedy is still my #1 choice to be the new CEO of Disney.
Agreed. By the way, who's Kathleen Kennedy? I've never heard of her.
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Kathleen Kennedy is a producer, whose credits go back to the '80s. In addition to her own company, she's also held a major position at Amblin and is currently the President of Lucasfilm. If you look up the credits for a lot of Steven Spielberg films, chances are her name will be in the credits as a producer or executive producer.

You'll also be happy to know she has a fondness for hand-drawn animation, having been very instrumental in dubbing and bringing Studio Ghibli's movies to North America. She has excellent business sense and is a supporter of artistic freedom, which is why I think she would be the perfect choice to be the next CEO of Disney.
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estefan wrote:Kathleen Kennedy is a producer, whose credits go back to the '80s. In addition to her own company, she's also held a major position at Amblin and is currently the President of Lucasfilm. If you look up the credits for a lot of Steven Spielberg films, chances are her name will be in the credits as a producer or executive producer.

You'll also be happy to know she has a fondness for hand-drawn animation, having been very instrumental in dubbing and bringing Studio Ghibli's movies to North America. She has excellent business sense and is a supporter of artistic freedom, which is why I think she would be the perfect choice to be the next CEO of Disney.
Hmmmmmm......interesting. In that case, I'm with you. Vote for Kathleen Kennedy......in the next couple of years. :wink:
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TsWade2 wrote:Hmmmmmm......interesting. In that case, I'm with you. Vote for Kathleen Kennedy......in the next couple of years. :wink:
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Sotiris wrote:
Q: I was wondering if 2D animation is still in the list of movies that you would produce. I know we got hints of it in Paperman, but I was just wondering if there are any other plans for that.

Bog Iger: To my knowledge, we are not developing a hand-drawn animated feature film right now. There is a fair amount of activity going on in hand-drawn animation, but it's largely for television at this point. We are not necessarily ruling out the possibility of a feature but there isn't any development at the company at the moment.

Q: Could you share with us some of your future plans for Oswald the Lucky Rabbit?

Bob Iger: I am not aware of any animation work that's being done right now or film entertainment for Oswald but he did appear as a character in Epic Mickey games 1 & 2, and I am sure there is other activity going on about Oswald but at this point the company is really large and I may not be aware of all of it.
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Hve you read this yet Sotiris?

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http://animationguildblog.blogspot.ca/2 ... drawn.html
However. I'm happy to tell you that the studio is working on hand-drawn shorts. But that's a couple of clicks distant from a hand-drawn feature.
I'm still convinced the new shorts are hand drawn. We have no reason to believe otherwise. He has said before 'the hand drawn team is working on a short' and now he actually uses the words 'hand drawn short'.
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PatrickvD wrote:He has said before 'the hand drawn team is working on a short' and now he actually uses the words 'hand drawn short'.
Perhaps we was referring to a different short before.
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Sotiris wrote:
PatrickvD wrote:He has said before 'the hand drawn team is working on a short' and now he actually uses the words 'hand drawn short'.
Perhaps we was referring to a different short before.
Could be. I'm just surprised that Australian article referred to 2013. If they do come out this year, that's short notice.

Still, I'm happy this is all happening. Maybe Paperman's success has resulted in newfound confidence in Disney's short film program.
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PatrickvD wrote:Maybe Paperman's success has resulted in newfound confidence in Disney's short film program.
Sure hope so because it had been lacking, especially in comparison to Pixar's short program.
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Right, um... This article: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... lz7oMdC4eA

Apparently, some fans think this means Disney's turning its back on hand-drawn. Now, did Iger SAY that hand-drawn was dead?

No. He said there currently aren't any plans for a hand-drawn film right now. LAck of plans for a film in said medium right now does NOT mean that the medium is dead!
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Wow, talk about an overreaction.

Iger made a big mistake here. Being the president of the company, giving such a vague answer and sounding like you don't know what you're talking about is not what people want to hear. He ought to know what's going on in all corners of the company. The correct way to answer that question would have been "while no traditional animation is currently in development, we have many talented traditional artists working on exciting ways to bring their craft to the screen. The first example of this was Paperman, a short film that uses both traditional and cg animation, and we're currently exploring ways to further make use of that idea. We all love traditional animation and we're exciting about it's future at Disney."

But instead, he gave a very vague answer that forces people who don't stay up to date on this stuff to jump to conclusions like "Disney is turning it's back on 2d animation". Very frustrating.
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