Oscar for Best Animated Feature 2012

DisneyEra · Post by **DisneyEra** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:55 pm

Very disappointed that WIR didn't win the oscar. But of ALL films to win it had to be Brave. The Academy had a chance to give the award to something different this year, but in the end, just gave it to Pixar. Brave didn't win the oscar, PIXAR did. Remember back in 2011 when Toy Story 3/Randy Newman won the oscar for Best Song over Tangled, But a year earlier, Newman lost that same oscar when he had 2 of 5 nods for Princess & the Frog. He loses for the Disney film but wins for the Pixar film. I'm not expecting any major awards for Frozen this year, considering Tangled & WIR couldn't win any. Tarzan is still the last Disney animated film to win an oscar, & it won it against Toy Story 2 13 years ago. A Disney 2D film beating Pixar's sequeal to Toy Story, there's no way in hell you will ever see that again

Dr Frankenollie · Post by **Dr Frankenollie** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:00 pm

DisneyEra wrote: Remember back in 2011 when Toy Story 3/Randy Newman won the oscar for Best Song over Tangled, But a year earlier, Newman lost that same oscar when he had 2 of 5 nods for Princess & the Frog. He loses for the Disney film but wins for the Pixar film.

Actually, although the Academy is certainly biased towards Pixar these days (but for good reason!), I don't think the fact that it was a song for a Pixar film was the (only) reason that Newman won in 2011. "We Belong Together" is better than "I See the Light".

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:08 pm

Dr Frankenollie wrote: Actually, although the Academy is certainly biased towards Pixar these days (but for good reason!), I don't think the fact that it was a song for a Pixar film was the (only) reason that Newman won in 2011. "We Belong Together" is better than "I See the Light".

I'm sorry, but...

Did you even listen to both songs or just one of them?

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:10 pm

Dr Frankenollie wrote:I don't think the fact that it was a song for a Pixar film was the (only) reason that Newman won in 2011. "We Belong Together" is better than "I See the Light".

I beg to differ. I think that was solely the reason that song won. I find that all of the other songs nominated that year were far better than "We Belong Together". I feel the same about Newman's other Oscar-winning song "If I Didn't Have you" which is equally terrible. Newman's work for other films like Cats Don't Dance and The Princess and the Frog were significantly better but of course he wouldn't win for those films as they were not attached to the Pixar name.

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:16 pm

DisneyJedi wrote:
Dr Frankenollie wrote: Actually, although the Academy is certainly biased towards Pixar these days (but for good reason!), I don't think the fact that it was a song for a Pixar film was the (only) reason that Newman won in 2011. "We Belong Together" is better than "I See the Light".
I'm sorry, but...

Did you even listen to both songs or just one of them?

Musical taste is entirely subjective. Sorry but you're being a bit condescending.

I enjoyed I See The Light a bit more, but it's not impossible to imagine someone else might prefer a different song.

You are completely overreacting on this whole matter constantly. I don't see how any of this could affect one on such a deep personal level.

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:07 pm

Because I'm sick of Pixar always taking home the gold every time they get nominated. And personally, I only think their movie won this year because they cheated!

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:12 pm

I think it's impossible to cheat a system where there are thousands of voters, each one voting their own way. As the Annie and Producer's Guild Award showed, plenty of animators and producers loved Wreck-It Ralph and probably threw votes its way. People think the Oscar results are decided by a couple of people in a board room. Not the case at all. There are a lot of Academy members with their own individual opinions, from Steven Spielberg to John Kahrs to Danny Elfman to Roger Deakins to even Dakota Fanning (yes, believe it or not, she is an Academy member).

To quote myself from earlier, Pixar isn't the first animation studio to continually win award after award at the Oscars.

estefan wrote:When you look back at the history of the other animation category, this is pretty much history repeating itself. When the animated short category was introduced in the '30s, Walt Disney won every single year up until the end of the decade. Most of those wins were deserved, but I think "Popeye Meets Sinbad" and "Peace on Earth" should have won in their respective years.

Then in the 1940s, MGM's animation unit continually won that category. Tom & Jerry won SEVEN times. Jumping ahead to the late '70s, the National Film Board of Canada frequently won. So, this is not the first time the Academy has been consistent in honouring an animation studio every (or almost every) years.

I was also thinking about what if the Animated Feature category had existed in the '90s. By the time Hercules had won, the reaction would probably be similar. "Damn, why does Disney win every year? Cats Don't Dance/Anastasia should have won. The Academy is so incredibly biased. I hate you, Disney, please die! *Cue annoying angry emoticon* "

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:17 pm

DisneyJedi wrote:Because I'm sick of Pixar always taking home the gold every time they get nominated.

It's still a mystery how you go from being sick of it to throwing around the f-word and apparent online temper tantrums. I don't see how this affects you on a personal level. There's no reason why it should. Everyone knows and agrees Brave was not the best animated feature of the year, why does it matter? Ralph is still an amazing film and you can watch it whenever you want and enjoy the crap out of it. I know I'm going to.

It really appears as if this whole thing emotionally upsets you. It's worrying. Have you ever tried meditation?

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:25 pm

Well, apparently, whoever does the voting doesn't know a REALLY good animated film (story wise) unless it held onto them by the nose and kicked them in the ass. And besides, it's clear they're totally and completely biased and pretentious.

I'm still mad that my mom agrees with the "deserved" win. Yeah, it would probably be different if she actually PAID ATTENTION TO WRECK-IT RALPH INSTEAD OF PAYING ATTENTION TO HER STUPID PHONE FOR MOST OF THE MOVIE BECAUSE HER WORK IS TOO "IMPORTANT TO LEAVE AT THE DOOR!!!!

The public should do the voting, really. Not the so called judges.

Dr Frankenollie · Post by **Dr Frankenollie** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:35 pm

Two apparent options remain: (1) DisneyJedi shouldn't be allowed online for his own health; or (2) he is a troll, and has just revealed himself. If (2) is correct, then the game certainly fooled me, so well done if you are one.

estefan · Post by **estefan** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:38 pm

It's not judges who do the voting. It's thousands of people in the industry with different opinions. Unless you think people like Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese or Quentin Tarantino don't know a good movie when they see them (extremely doubtful).

I don't know who they voted for, but they're more knowledgeable about what makes a great film than the general public. This is what happens when the general public votes for award shows: http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000453/ or http://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000530/2013

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:40 pm

I am NOT a troll. I am just mad that the Oscar went to the least deserving nominee and some people are too oblivious to that.

And by the way, at least I don't openly say that I wish certain characters would get killed in their films just to cheese off anyone who likes those characters. Saying something rude to someone just to anger them for the hell of it is trolling.

And for the record, Oscars, Pixar's NOT the only studio that does animation! There are other animation studios who put a lot of hard work and dedication into their films. Think about them! Something I doubt they can do, except for when Shrek, Happy Feet and any time a Pixar movie didn't get nominated...

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:42 pm

Dr Frankenollie wrote:Two apparent options remain: (1) DisneyJedi shouldn't be allowed online for his own health; or (2) he is a troll, and has just revealed himself. If (2) is correct, then the game certainly fooled me, so well done if you are one.

I really feel like we're being trolled here. This can'y be real, can it?

nachonaco · Post by **nachonaco** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:47 pm

Guys, will you lay off of him?

Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:46 pm

Jules wrote:Gee, while DisneyJedi was having a major nervous breakdown I was fast, fast, fast asleep. Like in bed.

This is probably this thread's best comment.

It's a rule that DJ overreacts, so I don't see any point in prolonging it by constantly laying into him. It's like you people weren't here for the Duster wars.

Dr Frankenollie wrote: Pixar has been wiping the floor with Disney since its very first feature, and it's good that it's being recognised.

I agree with this (for the most part), but I don't think Pixar has been better than other studio efforts for the past several years. I think "We Belong Together" beating "I See the Light" was downright ridiculous though, and I didn't even like Tangled (and loved TS3).

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:54 pm

Disney's Divinity wrote:
Jules wrote:Gee, while DisneyJedi was having a major nervous breakdown I was fast, fast, fast asleep. Like in bed.
This is probably this thread's best comment.

It's a rule that DJ overreacts, so I don't see any point in prolonging it by constantly laying into him. It's like you people weren't here for the Duster wars.

Yeah, I should back off. I guess it just still baffles me.

My apologies to DJ. Be pissed! It's your right.

disneyboy20022 · Post by **disneyboy20022** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:23 pm

PatrickvD wrote:
Disney's Divinity wrote:This is probably this thread's best comment.

It's a rule that DJ overreacts, so I don't see any point in prolonging it by constantly laying into him. It's like you people weren't here for the Duster wars.
Yeah, I should back off. I guess it just still baffles me.

My apologies to DJ. Be pissed! It's your right.

I second the motion.

Avaitor · Post by **Avaitor** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:39 pm

DisneyJedi wrote: And by the way, at least I don't openly say that I wish certain characters would get killed in their films just to cheese off anyone who likes those characters.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you previously wish death on John Lasseter and/or Randy Newman?

disneyprincess11 · Post by **disneyprincess11** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:53 pm

nachonaco wrote:Guys, will you lay off of him?

Yeah, guys. CHILL OUT and give him some slack! Why do these boards have to spark huge fights?

TsWade2 · Post by **TsWade2** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:05 pm

Yeah, I'm staying out of it. Bye!

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