Paperman

[Kyle]

SWillie is right guys. I do sometimes assume the people who care have seen the same things I have, I should have tried to be a bit more discreet with what I said this soon. I put some of it in white text, hopefully that should help?

I also agree that there is time where spoiler warnings expire and are no longer as relevant. That time is usually about year er so depending on the how much people are invested into it, as well as how hard it is to obtain whatever the thing is. Asking for spoiler warnings before things like Vader is Luke's father, or Mufassa dies is more than a little ridiculous. But the day of a wide release as with Paperman? Even in a thread dedicated to it I shouldn't be throwing out details willy nilly like that. Even though we're in the paperman topic, there's still going to be people just wanting to read about vague reactions and not detailed thing.

[Lnds500]

No it isn't an asshole move. The movie is two years old, and a vast majority of the members of this board have seen it. Again, the same way I would NEVER expect anyone to do the same for a different two year old movie that I haven't seen, especially if I knew I was in the minority in not having seen it.

So how far does this "respect" go? Am I supposed to warn when I talk about the Beast transforming? Philip slaying the dragon? Snow White biting the apple? That would obviously be absolutely silly. Where do you draw the line?

2 years? :O Wow! So I guess people who haven't seen the Black Cauldron or the Great Mouse Detective are doomed if they go to the respectable threads. I know plenty of people who frequent on Disney threads and haven't seen either Tangled or PatF. Why should they be afraid to roam free?

You should expect them to respect you cause that's the right thing to do! what kind of logic is that? "they don't so why should i?"? I don't get why people are so touchy when it comes to spoiling other people. Just don't do it and expect the same treatment, not the other way round. Imagine watching a movie and then ruining the ending 2 days later for everyone else. And imagine that for every movie, on every forum. That would be nice..

Plus, "minority"? Case in point, Ralph came out not 2 days ago in the US and in total, it has only been available to the public for 3 days. So, other than the fact that there is no reason to spoil anything for anyone, everyone who hasn't had the time in these 2-3 days to watch the film is practically forbidden to visit the forums and ask anything about the film (you answered a question of that kind 1 post ago).

Finally, you are comparing classic tales (Snow White) with contemporary adaptation of said (Tangled). Not the same at all. It's another thing to discuss Rapunzel and another thing to discuss Tangled.

[Sotiris]

I'm highly annoyed Disney hasn't released a clip from 'Paperman' yet. They've done so with their previous shorts including the ones that didn't get a wide release (e.g Glago's Guest, Tick Tock Tale)

[RyGuy]

I agree for things that just have been released or haven't yet been released in all regions.

But for something like Tangled that has been available for more than a year? See the movie already or don't get your feathers ruffled if in discussing a movie that has been available for a long, long time someone lets slip something you think is plot critical.

Because probably by the time a movie has been out that long, recent traffic in a thread is going to be well into that territory and no longer in the territory of release dates, voice casting, blu-ray extras and the like.

I'm not sure of the situation elsewhere around the world, but all these movies can be borrowed for free from the local library in the U.S. So pick up the movie, watch it, and join in the conversation instead of standing on the sidelines being offended.

That's my opinion anyway.

[Lnds500]

I agree for things that just have been released or haven't yet been released in all regions.

But for something like Tangled that has been available for more than a year? See the movie already or don't get your feathers ruffled if in discussing a movie that has been available for a long, long time someone lets slip something you think is plot critical.

Because probably by the time a movie has been out that long, recent traffic in a thread is going to be well into that territory and no longer in the territory of release dates, voice casting, blu-ray extras and the like.

I'm not sure of the situation elsewhere around the world, but all these movies can be borrowed for free from the local library in the U.S. So pick up the movie, watch it, and join in the conversation instead of standing on the sidelines being offended.

That's my opinion anyway.

You are not wrong but think of a different scenario. Someone who is not into animation right now could be in 2 years. That guy might wanna ask a question about a movie (if it's worth it etc) and goes into the Tangled thread - bam!!
There are countless scenarios out there.. I'm 20. there are people in here and on Blu-ray.com much older than me. They've seen movies like Rosemary's Baby, Hitchcock classics, E.T. , The Godfather etc. I have seen none of those and I have been waiting to watch them on Blu-ray for a long time. I went into the Hitchcock thread a lot of times, no one spoiled the ending/plot twists on purpose (and we all know how much referenced Psycho is in popular culture). Simple as that. And I must stretch this point - I am not against discussing a certain movie in its thread, I'm not crazy . But since it's so easy to avoid spoiling other people's first viewing of it, why can't you do just that.


And to answer a different scenario which was discussed a while back, no, to a person who hasn't seen TLK or SW, I wouldn't reveal Dark Vader's identity or Mufasa's death. (that spoiler btw took me about 10'').

[Kyle]

no, to a person who hasn't seen TLK or SW, I wouldn't reveal Dark Vader's identity or Mufasa's death. (that spoiler btw took me about 10'').

*headesk* If you were talking to a specific person you knew hadn't seen those, then yes by all means don't spoil things for them, but when your just putting something out there for the public and your still spoiler proofing that kind of info your insane.

People looking to stay away from spoilers years after the release actively seeking out threads discussing it deserve whatever they get. Common sense dictates you don't dive head first into spoiler infested battlefield that long after the release. You read basic plot synopses, you lightly tread reviews if your feeling daring, but anything more than that you deserve what you get.

[Lnds500]

*headesk* If you were talking to a specific person you knew hadn't seen those, then yes by all means don't spoil things for them, but when your just putting something out there for the public and your still spoiler proofing that kind of info your insane.

"headesk":roll:


and how do you know who that "specific person" might be? you don't. that's the whole point. you use spoiler tags a a precautionary measure. that was my point, and it went in hand with the rest of my response on which you didn't comment on.

[SWillie!]

That's just crazy to me. First of all, I of course wouldn't spoil something directly to someone who I knew hadn't seen a specific film. It woul never be like "hey guys, I have never seen the lion king before, is it worth it?" "You haven't?? Just be prepared for Mufasa's death then!" Obviously there's a difference between that and simply discussing the matter amongst other people who are familiar with it.

Just because there might be some obscure scenario where someone hasn't seen a film that is twenty years old doesn't mean that everyone should be expected to cater to them.

In your case with the Hitchcock classics and such, if you don't want to be spoiled you have no business going into a discussion about the film. It's great if you haven't yet, but if and when it does happen, it isn't because of a lack of respect on the other members' parts.

As others have said, when something is brand new like in the case of Paperman, or when it hasn't even released everywhere yet, I understand it. I'll lay off spoilers or at least warn about it for now. But to expect me to keep doing so for countless years is just too pandering for me, and it appears that most others would agree that there is a cutoff point.

As RyGuy said, see the movie already or don't get your feathers ruffled.

[Lnds500]

Just because there might be some obscure scenario where someone hasn't seen a film that is twenty years old doesn't mean that everyone should be expected to cater to them.

These are not obscure scenarios (old films/less popular films etc)

In your case with the Hitchcock classics and such, if you don't want to be spoiled you have no business going into a discussion about the film. It's great if you haven't yet, but if and when it does happen, it isn't because of a lack of respect on the other members' parts.

I didn't go to a discussion about a specific film. I went to a discussion about the upcoming release of Hitchcock classics on BD. This is a case in which someone could have easily thrown a spoiler but they didn't. there are threads which discuss films in term of plot twists etc and then there are films which are much more general (ex. Batman on Blu-ray in 2012 vs. Batman Plot discussion thread (spoilers inside) ) I wouldn't go to the second one of course but I would go to the first one to ask a question or two about the movie / best place to get it from etc.

As others have said, when something is brand new like in the case of Paperman, or when it hasn't even released everywhere yet, I understand it. I'll lay off spoilers or at least warn about it for now. But to expect me to keep doing so for countless years is just too pandering for me, and it appears that most others would agree that there is a cutoff point.

As RyGuy said, see the movie already or don't get your feathers ruffled.

Well I guess our main difference is that you don't expect people to respect your film viewing experience and I do. I continue to find it insensitive to throw spoilers around (no matter how old a film is) but I also feel like beating a dead horse here so I'm gonna leave it to your better judgement. Till next time

[Disney's Divinity]

But to expect me to keep doing so for countless years is just too pandering for me, and it appears that most others would agree that there is a cutoff point.

My cutoff point is 6 months.

We UDers always take a stand on the important things.

[DisneyAnimation88]

As RyGuy said, see the movie already or don't get your feathers ruffled.

Here in the UK we won't have that option until next spring so I can appreciate those who don't want the film spoiled. Unless I look for a stream of it on the internet, I'll have to wait a few more months until I get a chance to see Wreck-It Ralph and Paperman so I don't want to know too much about the important points like the endings. If I can avoid posts that do contain big spoilers I will but sometimes it is difficult to do so if there are no warnings.

[Lnds500]

As RyGuy said, see the movie already or don't get your feathers ruffled.

Here in the UK we won't have that option until next spring so I can appreciate those who don't want the film spoiled. Unless I look for a stream of it on the internet, I'll have to wait a few more months until I get a chance to see Wreck-It Ralph and Paperman so I don't want to know too much about the important points like the endings. If I can avoid posts that do contain big spoilers I will but sometimes it is difficult to do so if there are no warnings.

Spring huh? And I feel cheated for waiting till late December Good like with that!

[DisneyAnimation88]

Actually it's due to be released in February, I thought it would be around April. It is annoying to have months in between the US and UK release date; with most films the releases usually seem quite close, perhaps a week or two apart, but with Disney films recently we've had to wait at least a couple of months .

[SWillie!]

Yeah that really sucks. Especially with how small the world is today, the fact they're treating the release dates so separately is stupid.

Lnds, you have a solid point about separate threads for discussions. That's probably about the best solution. But I personally don't like how cluttered blu-ray.com gets, with multiple threads for every release. But that's just my opinion.

For the meantime, I really don't have a problem warning about spoilers. For the time being.

[Jules]

Sifting through this entire spoiler discussion, Star Wars was spoiled for me.

No. I have not yet seen Star Wars.

Now my best bet is to wait another twenty years or so until I forget the spoiler, and then attempt to watch the films.

[SWillie!]

Even if you've never seen Star Wars, you can't tell me you've never heard the phrase "Luke I am your father."

[Sky Syndrome]

The short is adorable. I concluded the paper airplanes became sentient because they were fueled by the love in the man's heart for the woman before he threw them. Being powered up by the man's love made the planes romantics and they knew their mission was get the two people together. The planes bringing the man and woman together makes me think of the cupids bringing the blue centaur and blue centaurette together in Fantastia.

[disneyboy20022]

The short is adorable. I concluded the paper airplanes became sentient because they were fueled by the love in the man's heart for the woman before he threw them. Being powered up by the man's love made the planes romantics and they knew their mission was get the two people together. The planes bringing the man and woman together makes me think of the cupids bringing the blue centaur and blue centaurette together in Fantasia.

When I saw this short film, it reminded me big time of Fantasia, or Fantasia 2000. Also this is big time Oscar worthy.

[ajmrowland]

It may be, but possibly because it's black and white.

the story was very cute and the kids in the audience loved the bits near the end. I of course was focused more on the technique and really liked it.

[Jules]

Even if you've never seen Star Wars, you can't tell me you've never heard the phrase "Luke I am your father."

Yes I have. But the moment I start reading the sentence somewhere I immediately look away so that I can't tell who's saying it, even though I have a vague idea that it involves Luke and Darth Vader. So till yesterday I was still not 100% sure Darth Vader said it, but now I know.

I was going to ask you whether the claim is made during the first film of the original trilogy, or if it's like the ULTIMATE REVELATION at the end of the third film. I hope it's the former.

Don't answer that, by the way.