You have a really good argument, so bravo. But once again I didn't feel like go into super detail the first time, yet I must (I did mention what I'm about to say before, but you'd have to go faaaar back to find it). The thing about what you just listed is those things were never animate, so it was obvious that Disney gave them living spirits to make them live and be taken as serious emtional things like animals and humans. With video games or animatronics, those things are already animated, and so the question is are they just mindless video games programmed to do all they do or do they have live spirits with real emotions like animals, humans, and anthropohmorphic objects?RyGuy wrote:I'm guessing you're forgetting Johnny Fedora & Alice Bluebonnett, Pedro, Little Toot, Susie the Little Blue Coupe, and The Little House (those are the ones that come to mind).
Or do those not count because the first three were only part of a movie and the latter three were from shorts and not animated classics?
I think you underestimate the magic of Disney storytelling because they have been diverse in their stories but people just focus on the fairy tales.Disney Duster wrote:You have a really good argument, so bravo. But once again I didn't feel like go into super detail the first time, yet I must (I did mention what I'm about to say before, but you'd have to go faaaar back to find it). The thing about what you just listed is those things were never animate, so it was obvious that Disney gave them living spirits to make them live and be taken as serious emtional things like animals and humans. With video games or animatronics, those things are already animated, and so the question is are they just mindless video games programmed to do all they do or do they have live spirits with real emotions like animals, humans, and anthropohmorphic objects?RyGuy wrote:I'm guessing you're forgetting Johnny Fedora & Alice Bluebonnett, Pedro, Little Toot, Susie the Little Blue Coupe, and The Little House (those are the ones that come to mind).
Or do those not count because the first three were only part of a movie and the latter three were from shorts and not animated classics?
My most main problem was just Disney making it obvious that the video game characters have "come to life" like, say, Pinocchio, and aren't just animated programs.
The other thing is the things you just listed are still more of the kind of classic things Disney's always been about as opposed to something like video games, animatronics, robots.
You have an interesting point . . . I think we'll have to wait and see what Disney does and whether they can pull it off (i.e., giving these characters "souls", so to speak). I'm willing to give Disney the benefit of the doubt to see what they can do.Disney Duster wrote: With video games or animatronics, those things are already animated, and so the question is are they just mindless video games programmed to do all they do or do they have live spirits with real emotions like animals, humans, and anthropohmorphic objects?
Yea and movies are just photographs moving together, they look like something's moving but they're not. You are missing the entire point that we're supposed to believe the people or animals or objects are real with real emotions as supposed to just digital programs.Victurtle wrote:LOL Disney is all about bringing inanimate objects to life.
i.e. DRAWINGS.
Some drawings may look like people, but they are not. Just like some video game characters look like people, but they are not. Thats the whole point of animating them - giving the illusion they are.
What exactly are they breaking? Are Disney not allowed to try something new and different every once in a while?Disney Duster wrote:Why make so many films be about certain types of things for so many decades, then one day - break it!
Why can't we believe that the characters in Wreck-It Ralph have real emotions?Disney Duster wrote:You are missing the entire point that we're supposed to believe the people or animals or objects are real with real emotions as supposed to just digital programs.
Well I'm wondering why in Walt's time he never did anything as radically different from what he had done before. There's talking trains and then there's video games that cross into each other.DisneyAnimation88 wrote:What exactly are they breaking? Are Disney not allowed to try something new and different every once in a while?Disney Duster wrote:Why make so many films be about certain types of things for so many decades, then one day - break it!
Well we can, but never before has Disney given us characters that could just be fake, digital simulations that might not have real emotions because everything they do is simulated. I'd like Disney to find a way to tell us they are real, at least as real as having a real emotional spirit. I'll believe they do have a real spirit with emotions Disney's just never done characters where had to ask that question before.DisneyAnimation88 wrote:Why can't we believe that the characters in Wreck-It Ralph have real emotions?
This is such a superficial remark.. The whole point of the movie is to give "digital simulations" emotions and life. What difference does it make that the characters aren't living, human beings (or "real," as you put it) in the sense that they have flesh and bones and a 'real emotional spirit.' I don't even know what kind of terms you're making up anymore.Disney Duster wrote:Well we can, but never before has Disney given us characters that could just be fake, digital simulations that might not have real emotions because everything they do is simulated. I'd like Disney to find a way to tell us they are real, at least as real as having a real emotional spirit. I'll believe they do have a real spirit with emotions Disney's just never done characters where had to ask that question before.
Look at this way..."Wreck it Ralph", is taking the concept of movies like "Toy Story" and "The Neverending Story", and just putting it to the world of Video game characters. Characters who, we mere humans THINK don't exist outside our imaginations, actually DO have normal lives, like us, in their own world. It's the classic "what if" take on something. So the point of the movie is that we find out their emotions are actually NOT simulated after all, which is what makes Ralph so keen on not wanting to be known as the "bad guy" when he feels like a good guy on the inside.Disney Duster wrote:Well we can, but never before has Disney given us characters that could just be fake, digital simulations that might not have real emotions because everything they do is simulated. I'd like Disney to find a way to tell us they are real, at least as real as having a real emotional spirit. I'll believe they do have a real spirit with emotions Disney's just never done characters where had to ask that question before.
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