Sure, we even have threads about them:oldtimer12347 wrote:Do you mind telling me where you got this info though? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
I'm Dutch. The Dutch are notoriously blunt. It's a national trait.oldtimer12347 wrote:You could have been a little nicer on how you opened up, I sure hope you're not like this outside the Internet.
Now, now, there's no need to devaluate Rapunzel like that.oldtimer wrote:[...] But I did mention how I liked Tangled better than Princess and the Frog, it's because of the writing, it was a stronger film than PATF, I could even rank it with the likes of Lion King.
I don't know that's true. The movie was called 'Rapunzel' in a lot of countries (including The Netherlands) and it did very well there. And even though I often state the fact that the majority of the people is dumb, they're not *that* dumb that they would be duped by a name-change like that. When they see a trailer about a girl with long blonde hair, they know it's about Rapunzel. Besides, in other countries the film was marketed differently. I remember the Japanese trailer, which didn't center on Flynn and the comedy aspect but on the actual story. Also, didn't they make a shitload of merchandise with the title 'Rapunzel' on it? Besides, Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast also had titles that referred to girl-centered fairy tales, yet they were big successes. So I think the succes of the title-change is very exaggerated.oldtimer wrote:[...] but the biggest problem other than its strength was carrying the 'Princess' name. Because of the 'Princess' name, the general public believed PATF to be more of a girl's movie than one for everyone, causing the boys to back off from the showings and thus reducing the box office performance. That's why we saw Rapunzel change into Tangled the following year, and it became a HUGE success at the box office. The name change worked, it's no wonder they'll be doing it again for Snow Queen (now Frozen).
How the fuck was I "ill-tempered"?!oldtimer wrote:I went into detail above in my reply to an ill-tempered Goliath.
Pretending to know you? To me, this is more of you giving me a bad first-impression of yourself. But at least you cleared it up by saying that being blunt is a national trait of yours, so now I can forgive you for your first reply to my post. Still, you should be careful on your first impressions, they're important everywhere, online or face to face especially, not everyone knows that being blunt is a Dutch trait. So please, let's not escalate this any further, especially on a thread originally about wishing Mickey Mouse Clubhouse to end.Goliath wrote: I'm Dutch. The Dutch are notoriously blunt. It's a national trait.
How the fuck was I "ill-tempered"?!oldtimer wrote:I went into detail above in my reply to an ill-tempered Goliath.
Seriously.
Yeah, I'm ill-tempered NOW! But I think I'm entitled to be, after such an unsupported accusation from a guy who's been here two days and hasn't spoken to me before, yet know pretends to know me.
One can only hope that the people in charge of the Disney channels actually looks for quality programming that makes a whole lot of money rather than cheap garbage that makes a whole lot of money.TsWade2 wrote:I just want to say is thank you people for voting yes to end Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. And let's hope someday Disney makes a hand drawn tv series of Mickey Mouse and friends for everyone to watch.
That's true. If i feel a little bit discouraged to believe it, I listen to this song:jazzflower92 wrote:One can only hope that the people in charge of the Disney channels actually looks for quality programming that makes a whole lot of money rather than cheap garbage that makes a whole lot of money.TsWade2 wrote:I just want to say is thank you people for voting yes to end Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. And let's hope someday Disney makes a hand drawn tv series of Mickey Mouse and friends for everyone to watch.
I just love old school 90's R&B espically when it combines an all men's black group and Disney.I sometimes wish I was older when the Disney Renassance happened just to enjoy it a little bit more.However,I will not trade my age for the world.But yeah someday Disney will finally grow a brain and get some quality shows on instead of listening to the all mighty dollar.TsWade2 wrote:That's true. If i feel a little bit discouraged to believe it, I listen to this song:jazzflower92 wrote: One can only hope that the people in charge of the Disney channels actually looks for quality programming that makes a whole lot of money rather than cheap garbage that makes a whole lot of money.
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Thanks, but I don't need to be lectured by random strangers on internet forums. There was nothing "ill-tempered" about my original post. That you took it that way, has nothing to do with me, my character or my first impression, but has got everything to do with the way you interpret things. So there's really nothing to "forgive" here; you should just read more carefully before you start dishing out accusations.oldtimer12347 wrote:Pretending to know you? To me, this is more of you giving me a bad first-impression of yourself. But at least you cleared it up by saying that being blunt is a national trait of yours, so now I can forgive you for your first reply to my post. Still, you should be careful on your first impressions, they're important everywhere, online or face to face especially, not everyone knows that being blunt is a Dutch trait.
I didn't vote yes. I don't see the problem with it. Introducing children to Mickey Mouse and friends: that's great!TsWade2 wrote:I just want to say is thank you people for voting yes to end Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. And let's hope someday Disney makes a hand drawn tv series of Mickey Mouse and friends for everyone to watch.
For the record, the internet is full of random strangers. Forums (from dvdizzy to toonzone) are places for people all over the world to get together and share thoughts, even if you only 'know' them by replying or posting off others, they are still strangers. Not trying to be a jerk, I am just curious, but do you know any of the users here in person? Because if you don't, then they are still strangers no matter what you think or say, I just want to clear that right now with you. And of course I'm going to interpret your post the wrong way if I don't understand (and so will lots of other people who aren't dutch), how was I supposed to know that being blunt was a national trait of yours, I come from a COMPLETELY different culture from you (I'm Half American, Half Filipino). But as I said, now that you've cleared it up, I now understand your true motive and know what to expect next time from other Dutch users such as yourself. Look, I may have gone a bit far with that part about you being ill tempered, but you can't expect everyone to know being blunt is your national trait, especially if they're not from the Netherlands (or even near there). I'll take your suggestion on being careful when reading (as in not posting harsh comments when not understanding something; I'll admit, I do quite anger easily especially when I feel offended), but you yourself should be careful when replying to people not even YOU know.Goliath wrote:Thanks, but I don't need to be lectured by random strangers on internet forums. There was nothing "ill-tempered" about my original post. That you took it that way, has nothing to do with me, my character or my first impression, but has got everything to do with the way you interpret things. So there's really nothing to "forgive" here; you should just read more carefully before you start dishing out accusations.
I'm actually going to have to agree with this, I am glad that Mickey and friends are still known among young children. The problem though is whether those kids will know them more than just dora-the-explorer clones, they are far more than that as we all know. They don't have to cancel this show, and they shouldn't if it's still doing good right now. But they SHOULD give their classic material some more airtime on one of the existing Disney Channels, preferably during the night when their main kid audience is (and should be) asleep. A good idea personally is to use 'have a laugh' to promote the full classic shorts being aired later on some sort of Ink & Paint Club/Mickey Mouse Tracks type show. The only reason kids today would not be interested in the classic mickey shorts is because Disney channel has barely given them a chance. The whole "kids today do not like the classics, we have to make sure we air nothing past 5 years ago" vibe I constantly get from Disney's tv department just doesn't make sense, seeing that they've have been growing up with these shorts for 80 years+. That's my problem with the treatment Mickey and friends are getting today, the preschool show does justice for the little kids, but it is still not enough to keep these characters in the main spotlight for Disney (most particularly its channels).Goliath wrote:I didn't vote yes. I don't see the problem with it. Introducing children to Mickey Mouse and friends: that's great!
However, you're much more of a stranger to Goliath than someone like enigmawing is.oldtimer12347 wrote:Forums (from dvdizzy to toonzone) are places for people all over the world to get together and share thoughts, even if you only 'know' them by replying or posting off others, they are still strangers. Not trying to be a jerk, I am just curious, but do you know any of the users here in person? Because if you don't, then they are still strangers no matter what you think or say, I just want to clear that right now with you.
I wouldn't want Mickey and Donald being treated like Phineas and Ferb, though.TsWade2 wrote:As I said before, if Disney can't create a new movie starring Mickey, Donald, and Goofy right now, why can't they make a new hand drawn animated tv series Mickey and friends for kid 7 and up and for Disney fans? They can make it similar to Phineas and Ferb.
Fine, maybe not like Phineas and Ferb! But seriously, I want Disney to make an animated series of Mickey Mouse and friends! Mickey Mouse Clubhouse can't stay on air forever you know! Hopefully it'll end in 2015 or 2016!Goliath wrote:I wouldn't want Mickey and Donald being treated like Phineas and Ferb, though.TsWade2 wrote:As I said before, if Disney can't create a new movie starring Mickey, Donald, and Goofy right now, why can't they make a new hand drawn animated tv series Mickey and friends for kid 7 and up and for Disney fans? They can make it similar to Phineas and Ferb.
I guess I just don't see the concern many seem to have with the way Disney "treats Mickey and friends". But maybe that's because over here, they are still a very large part of children's childhoods through the weekly comic magazines which are hugely popular all over Europe. Donald Duck is the star of most stories (even when magazines are named after Mickey), together with Huey, Dewey and Louie and Uncle Scrooge; but Mickey, Minnie and Goofy are also featured prominently. We tend to think of them as comic characters first and only as film stars second.
They don't print and sell them in the numbers they used to do in the States, not even nearly. Nowadays, these comics are targeted and sold to adults. So in a way I think that, even if Disney USA gave Mickey and Donald much more exposure to kids on tv, kids would still not get to see the best side of these characters, which was really in the classic American comics, with Mickey as the great adventurer and detective (Gottfredson) and Donald as the everyday loser struggling with life (Barks).
Yes, we already know that, because you've been annoying us with that message about 8236452 times now. Do you have anything to add to what I wrote at all or do you have an opinion on it? Or did you just quote excessively just to repeat your broken record?TsWade2 wrote:Oh come on! I want Disney to make an animated series of Mickey Mouse and friends! Mickey Mouse Clubhouse can't stay on air forever! Hopefully it'll end in 2015 or 2016
Sorry. This OCD is driving me nuts.Goliath wrote:Yes, we already know that, because you've been annoying us with that message about 8236452 times now. Do you have anything to add to what I wrote at all or do you have an opinion on it? Or did you just quote excessively just to repeat your broken record?TsWade2 wrote:Oh come on! I want Disney to make an animated series of Mickey Mouse and friends! Mickey Mouse Clubhouse can't stay on air forever! Hopefully it'll end in 2015 or 2016
Yes, people who suffer from a disorder, can indeed lead successful and fulfilling lives. But you must bear in mind that not all people with such disorders react the same way or can manage it the same way. Not everyone may be able to act the way you and society deems acceptable. There are people who are struggling with disorders every day and we have no idea what they might be going through. You generalizing that the people who do not act "appropriately" are using their disorder as an "excuse", is inconsiderate and insensitive.estefan wrote:I don't wish to offend anybody, but I'm getting really tired of people using disorders as an excuse for acting uncontrollable and idiotic on the Internet. There are plenty of people with OCD or Asperger's or other such disorders who don't act like this on the Internet or in the public and have gone to be very successful in whatever their endeavours are (Howard Hughes and Mark Zuckerberg are the first examples that come to mind).
Estefan did no such thing. He/she explicitly stated he/she didn't mean to offend anyone. His/her point was that some people hide behind their "disorder" whenever they do inappropriate things and get called on it. I tend to agree. I think there are a lot of people who are over-diagnosed nowadays anyway. Kids who used to be just "busy" or "active" are all "ADD" nowadays. Kids who used to be just "shy" or "on their own" are all "autistic" nowadays. And kids who used to be just "difficult" are now "Aspergers". I'm not saying this goes for everybody and I'm certainly no doctor, but a fact is that diagnoses like these have skyrocketed compared to twenty years ago. I don't believe we have gotten "sicker" as a society, just over-diagnosed.Sotiris wrote:Yes, people who suffer from a disorder, can indeed lead successful and fulfilling lives. But you must bear in mind that not all people with such disorders react the same way or can manage it the same way. Not everyone may be able to act the way you and society deems acceptable. There are people who are struggling with disorders every day and we have no idea what they might be going through. You generalizing that the people who do not act "appropriately" are using their disorder as an "excuse", is inconsiderate and offensive.
Arguably, we only seem to be 'over-diagnosed' nowadays with disorders such as ADHD and aspergers' syndrome, because in the past we were 'under-diagnosed'. There were less known scientific facts and research in the past to help with diagnoses, and perhaps the costs of being known to have a disorder outweighed the benefits (getting assistance from a teaching assistant or using a computer all the time in school) more significantly for past generations.Goliath wrote:I'm not saying this goes for everybody and I'm certainly no doctor, but a fact is that diagnoses like these have skyrocketed compared to twenty years ago. I don't believe we have gotten "sicker" as a society, just over-diagnosed.
