From a business standpoint, I don't see what's so hard to understand about all of this.. You cater to what is popular, because popular makes more money..Disney Duster wrote:Disney should support bad things just because they're popular? Disney should abandon hand-drawn animation just because it isn't popular? Disney should have some stuff only be available on digital copies to eventually abandon physical copies just because they're not as popular?
Oh, please, you 're not as stupid as them! I've been arguing with some of them for a few days now... Of course the amazon spec is incorrect, there have been reviews, pictures of the movie, full movie rips... Even the back cover says what the aspect ratio is!!!DisneyJedi wrote:Hey, anyone who owns the Blu-ray...
What's the movie's aspect ratio on the Blu? 1.85:1 or 2.55:1? I've read reviews on Amazon that it's the former.
It is 2:55:1. Amazon's specs are incorrect. Disney's own website lists 2:55:1. On Blu-ray.com you can find screenshots of the cover that also list that and screenshots from the film itself. You can rest easy. We're getting 2:55:1.DisneyJedi wrote:Hey, anyone who owns the Blu-ray...
What's the movie's aspect ratio on the Blu? 1.85:1 or 2.55:1? I've read reviews on Amazon that it's the former.
The princess films always get a large push because they've got an entire line of product to sell. I think the animal films are a much harder type of film to advertise because it's much more quickly assumed that it's made for children. Aside from The Lion King, I think the general consensus is that Disney sells fairy tales. This release is doing pretty well in terms of marketing. LatT got an advertisement in theaters before BatB which I'm sure will help it.CampbellzSoup wrote:I have a feeling that this could be the last time that Disney movies are going to be released on a physical format...I personally feel there has been no marketing really pushed towards this movie at all. When Snow White, Sleeping Beauty & Beauty and the Beast were coming to Blu Ray, it felt like a big deal. It just feels like theres nothing special to this release...sounds sad as I loved the hype and mystique about these films....
Personally I think there will always be a place for physical media. It's nice to have something tangible, with extras, and high quality without the harddrive space expense.CampbellzSoup wrote:I have a feeling that this could be the last time that Disney movies are going to be released on a physical format...I personally feel there has been no marketing really pushed towards this movie at all. When Snow White, Sleeping Beauty & Beauty and the Beast were coming to Blu Ray, it felt like a big deal. It just feels like theres nothing special to this release...sounds sad as I loved the hype and mystique about these films....
Well, of course this is all a matter of opinion, and if you personally don't feel the need to remain relevant to modern society, that's fine. But I'm not talking about us, the individual consumers. I'm talking about "The Walt Disney Company", as a company, from a business standpoint. You may not feel it is important to stay relevant, but for a multi-billion dollar worldwide empire, staying relevant is what keeps the company alive. If Disney decided it didn't need or care to stay relevant to modern society, then not a single one of us would be here discussing it in the first place, because Disney most certainly wouldn't have survived past the days of VHS.The_Iceflash wrote:My problem is which those who think change of any kind is automatically going to be for the better and blindly jump on anything new regardless of it is any good. Digital downloads for films and music invite nothing promising to me. Especially when quality is compromised. Convenience seems to be more important than quality which is sad.
In that case good riddance to modern society. If it means compromising quality then who cares about relevance. I'm happy with purchasing vinyl records for the full dynamic range without limiting and compression that downloading doesn't offer. If that makes me irrelevant than so what? What's the real loss here? The music world is in such a sad state with that and I would hate to see film go that way as well. Luckily Blu-ray is an increase in quality and not a decrease as we've seen with music downloads.
I'm also not going to be a bandwagon jumper just to keep up with the newest, most relevant trends. If I feel something new is an improvement and a worthwhile investment and would like to then I would. If what I'm being offered isn't an improvement to me and doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment for that reason then so be it. Staying relevant in the modern society is the worst reason to get into new things.
Well, first off, I never used the word "popular". Using that word makes it sound silly and junior-high-ish. But Heartless is correct. As I said, from a business standpoint, Disney HAS NO CHOICE but to cater to what is the most popular form of consumerism in modern society. If they did not, then the company would not survive.Disney Duster wrote:Disney should support bad things just because they're popular? Disney should abandon hand-drawn animation just because it isn't popular? Disney should have some stuff only be available on digital copies to eventually abandon physical copies just because they're not as popular?
iTunes song downloads are 256kps while a lossless CD rip is at 1411kps.SWillie! wrote:Well, of course this is all a matter of opinion, and if you personally don't feel the need to remain relevant to modern society, that's fine. But I'm not talking about us, the individual consumers. I'm talking about "The Walt Disney Company", as a company, from a business standpoint. You may not feel it is important to stay relevant, but for a multi-billion dollar worldwide empire, staying relevant is what keeps the company alive. If Disney decided it didn't need or care to stay relevant to modern society, then not a single one of us would be here discussing it in the first place, because Disney most certainly wouldn't have survived past the days of VHS.The_Iceflash wrote:My problem is which those who think change of any kind is automatically going to be for the better and blindly jump on anything new regardless of it is any good. Digital downloads for films and music invite nothing promising to me. Especially when quality is compromised. Convenience seems to be more important than quality which is sad.
In that case good riddance to modern society. If it means compromising quality then who cares about relevance. I'm happy with purchasing vinyl records for the full dynamic range without limiting and compression that downloading doesn't offer. If that makes me irrelevant than so what? What's the real loss here? The music world is in such a sad state with that and I would hate to see film go that way as well. Luckily Blu-ray is an increase in quality and not a decrease as we've seen with music downloads.
I'm also not going to be a bandwagon jumper just to keep up with the newest, most relevant trends. If I feel something new is an improvement and a worthwhile investment and would like to then I would. If what I'm being offered isn't an improvement to me and doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment for that reason then so be it. Staying relevant in the modern society is the worst reason to get into new things.
As to your point about compromising quality, we will certainly have to see what happens in the next couple years of digital media. As of right now, yes... a digital copy is of lower quality than a blu-ray. But it's the same quality as a DVD, and seems to be getting better and better. People are claiming that Studio All Access is going to be a game changer - who knows? Maybe they've come up with a way to give us higher quality. You say the music industry is in such a bad state, and I call nonsense. Sure, maybe in iTunes early days it wasn't as good as ripping a CD, but it most certainly is now. Even the best trained ear can no longer tell the difference between a file ripped from a CD and a file downloaded (legally, in highest quality) from iTunes. You talk as if all song downloads are 96 kbps seventh-generation files that sound like crap. That isn't the case.
I agree. And that's why I support what they are doing. Digital is not yet the largest form of distribution, but they are attempting to create innovative ways to do things. Like I said, people are claiming that Disney Studio All Access is going to be a game changer. If it does turn out to be, then they have done exactly what you say they should be doing. Are you saying that just because they haven't done it yet means it isn't even worth it to try? You are obviously very big on quality, and over the years the quality of digital copies and streaming films will continue to get better and better, as it has already made leaps and bounds over the past two years. Imagine, in three years if Disney has created THE new way to watch films, and you can stream online on ANY device you are on, ANYWHERE in the world, without having to carry something physical around with you - and the quality is all 1080p. Would you really be against that? You've dismissed it as impossible already, when you have no idea how quality could improve over the years.Back to your relevance statement, the Walt Disney Company, instead of following trends, should start their own. They should be leaders and not followers.
Okay, first of all... who in the world rips in lossless? Unless you have some MASSIVE hard drive, if you had lossless copies of all your music you'd only be able to have a matter of a few thousand songs before you're totally out of room. For someone like myself, with a library of over 20,000 songs (all at or above 256kbps) - that's obviously impossible. Lossless is not realistic, no matter how high the quality is. And that's regardless of the fact that 99% of people would never be able to tell the difference. Audiophiles like yourself might, but you are in a tiny minority.iTunes song downloads are 256kps while a lossless CD rip is at 1411kps.
Everything becoming digital is bad. I already explained how above. You decided to ignore that, and if you do you aren't arguing very fairly.SWillie! wrote:You say Disney should support "bad things". We're talking about digital distribution here Duster. You may think it's "bad", but a good chunk of society does not. The general trend of consumers is swinging towards digital. That's not "bad". It's just new.
I didn't realize they keep the DVD you bring inDisneyVillains wrote:Does anyone happen to know if the $5 coupon BestBuy is offering if you bring in a Disney DVD can be used with the printed one Disney is also offering? Thanks!!
That is a dumb sale.. if I were trying to get rid of a DVD, I'd sell it for way more than $5. 
you dont keep the dvd, you trade it in for the couponPatrick wrote:I didn't realize they keep the DVD you bring inDisneyVillains wrote:Does anyone happen to know if the $5 coupon BestBuy is offering if you bring in a Disney DVD can be used with the printed one Disney is also offering? Thanks!!
But, from working in retail, I would imagine you can use both coupons. Manufacturers coupons and instore coupons are totally different. You should definitely be able to use both.
"Everything becoming digital is bad" is your opinion, Duster. You think it's bad, but I do not, as well as many others. My point was fair - you're the one that didn't respond to the rest of my argument against what you said. Are you telling me that "Digital is bad" is a fact, Duster?Disney Duster wrote:Everything becoming digital is bad. I already explained how above. You decided to ignore that, and if you do you aren't arguing very fairly.SWillie! wrote:You say Disney should support "bad things". We're talking about digital distribution here Duster. You may think it's "bad", but a good chunk of society does not. The general trend of consumers is swinging towards digital. That's not "bad". It's just new.
Also, like Iceflash said, Disney should be starting trends. Disney made the first hand-drawn animated film when no one thought it would work or be good or be popular. If Disney releases really good, really nice, and perhaps lower priced physical copies, with lots of information on why it's good just the information they have given about why Blu-ray is good, then maybe they can set the example that those are the best, not digital downloads.
