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Dr Frankenollie wrote:I'm annoyed that there are people who think the likes of 101 Dalmatians and Cinderella are superior to Dumbo, The Jungle Book and The Great Mouse Detective, but I'm pleased that Lilo & Stitch and Tangled did fairly well. Lady and the Tramp should be higher, but I digress. I haven't seen Mulan properly for years...it's surprisingly high entry on this list makes me want to see it again.
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Super Aurora wrote:The Little Mermaid. That's my bet.
Of course not. It's Disney's most hughly, gigantic, horrific overrated movie that Ollie put on no.1.
I'm with Goliath, even though I have doubts since I re-looked at some lists.

I wish it was Pinocchio or Snow White. I wouldn't mind if it was The Little Mermaid though. Then it would downstep Beauty and the Beast. It's just that...I have realized...the reason I feel less enthusiastic towards Little Mermaid is because its everywhere, always everyone's favorite. Sometimes I still am unsure if I personally enjoy it more than Sleeping Beauty or not, but it has consistently stayed my second favorite. Sleeping Beauty's becoming everyone's favorite now, too, so I'm less enthusiastic about that now as well. Every young adult likes thrills, darkness and detailed art don't they?
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Dr Frankenollie wrote:I'm annoyed that there are people who think the likes of 101 Dalmatians and Cinderella are superior to Dumbo, The Jungle Book and The Great Mouse Detective...
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait... wait......

You are of the opinion that The Great Mouse Detective is a better film than Cinderella and 101 Dalmatians?

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While I find it a real pity that The Rescuers and The Great Mouse Detective aren't in the top 20, I'm happy that Mulan is :)

I'm also thrilled that Lilo & Stitch has gone up :D

I obviously have more thoughts, but these have been the biggest surprises for me so far :P

Edit: I'm also surprised to see The Jungle Book as low as it is. I thought it was much more popular than that :o
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Goliath wrote:
Dr. Frankenollie wrote:Plot is unimportant
Huh? I thought you knew a thing or two about movie-making, but then I read this remark...
I meant that plot is unimportant in comparison to characterisation; a movie's plot should be driven by great characters, not vice versa. Using the plot twists themselves to entertain viewers instead of using the technique with which the plot twists are shown to entertain is a bad idea, and the Master himself agrees with me.

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Anyway...I too hope Beauty and the Beast doesn't win. I really want an early Walt-era film to win (Pinocchio, Snow White, or Fantasia), but it's doubtful that any one of those three will rank number one. :(
Disney Duster wrote:I thought you thought it was the same as Fantasia, meaning Fantasia wouldn't be superior.
When did I say that? :? Fantasia is a lot better than Bambi.
Disney Duster wrote:I don't see how a movie that's just supposed to tell a life about a dear was supposed to have more character and not be told so much by visuals. Maybe you and Goliath think substance needs to be something that makes you think about the characters when the movie's over. Bambi doesn't make me think about the characters as much as others. Instead, it makes me think about life. I feel I've been through something that's hit me hard. With it's story, some character, and most importantly all that it shows which perhaps cannot be so easily categorized. That's substance.
Bambi doesn't ever truly make me feel anything; there are a few moments, like the death of Bambi's Mother and the scene in which the panicking bird flees from her hideout (and is subsequently shot), which make me feel somewhat sad, but because of the overreliance on visuals rather than characterisation, I don't connect to it as much as I would have liked to.
SWillie! wrote:Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait... wait......

You are of the opinion that The Great Mouse Detective is a better film than Cinderella and 101 Dalmatians?
Well, yeah. Problem? :P
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The Results - Part VI: Numbers 7-9

9. Image (506)
8. Image (522)
7. Image (583)

The remaining movies from the 30s-50s are right behind each other! Snow White made a slight drop going from 6 to 9 and Sleeping Beauty went from 5 to 7. Fantasia actually went up a couple of spots from 16 to 8!

I understand the love for Snow White, though it's not my personal favorite, it is THE classic. Period. It deserves to be in the Top 20/10 for that reason alone and besides that, it's not that terrible a story either.
I never understood the love for Fantasia and even Mickey, though I know Mickey and his friends are very attached to the image of Disney, to me it's not what Disney is, it's the classics like Snow White, Bambi, Mermaid etc etc. And I myself found Fantasia very boring, falling asleep after 10 minutes, even on a second viewing!
Now, my personal favorite is Sleeping Beauty. It's not perse the best movie in my opinion, but I think it's the most beautiful one. The art, the 'dreaminess'. I remember as a child almost being hypnotized by the way Aurora moves and sings and being very frightened by Maleficents cackling and Aurora dropping to the floor. I watched it when I was six and never forgot it. I actually think it's not really a princess-movie, since Aurora is in it for like 5 minutes, it's more a boys movie, Phillip has a lot to do and the fathers are also in a lot of scenes.

In about five hours from now, I'll post numbers 4-6!
So come on people, make a guess which movies will be taking those spots!
Khonnor wrote:Still in the running:

02. Pinocchio 1940
28. The Little Mermaid 1989
30. Beauty and the Beast 1991
31. Aladdin 1992
32. The Lion King 1994
34. The Hunchback of Notre Dame 1996
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I'm pissed right now, that all of the "big four" are still remaining. They just don't deserve. Period. Yes, they are good and I have listed three of them in my own Top20, but they also have big flaws animationwise (BatB9) or storywise (TLK).

Anyway, here is my prediction how it will ends up:

1. The Lion King ( :roll: )
2. The Little Mermaid
3. Pinocchio
4. Beauty and the Beast
5. Aladdin
6. The Hunchback of Notre Dame

I hope though, that it will be more like this:

1. Pinocchio
2. The Hunchback of Notre Dame
3. The Little Mermaid
4. Aladdin
5. Beauty and the Beast
6. The Lion King
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SWillie! wrote:
Dr Frankenollie wrote:I'm annoyed that there are people who think the likes of 101 Dalmatians and Cinderella are superior to Dumbo, The Jungle Book and The Great Mouse Detective...
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait... wait......

You are of the opinion that The Great Mouse Detective is a better film than Cinderella and 101 Dalmatians?

:scratch:
and being annoyed at people over it at that. :lol:
Scamander wrote:I'm pissed right now, that all of the "big four" are still remaining. They just don't deserve. Period. Yes, they are good and I have listed three of them in my own Top20, but they also have big flaws animationwise (BatB9) or storywise (TLK).

TLK has story flaws? :? There's no problems with the story that I see. The story is done perfectly, IMO.

Anyway, I think the big 4 have more than enough merit to make it very high on this list. Once you get to the top 5 though it gets really hard to rank them. They still rank higher than many of Disney's Animated Classics. Especially those from the 70s and 80s. They are light years above them all of them.

Overall, I've very pleased with this list. I think the only thing I would change is Tangled's number 10 spot. While I think it was great, I wouldn't rank it above those films listed at 11-20.
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I'm kind of hoping it comes out like this:
6. The Lion King
5. Pinocchio
4. Aladdin
3. The Little Mermaid
2. Beauty and the Beast
1. Hunchback

-But that's just me. Honestly, if either Beauty and the Beast or Little Mermaid end up on top, I'm fine with that. I love seeing Hunchback get some love, though! I just hope Lion King doesn't take the top spot. (It always seems to, doesn't it? :roll: ) I love Aladdin, but I can admit that my love of that film is entirely nostalgia. That was my childhood movie. Looking at it now, I see a lot of story problems with it.

The narrator at the beginning: why have him if he doesn't come back later in the story? I know he was MEANT to, but they cut that idea and gutted it just like all of Howard Ashman's original vision, so what did one more cut hurt? Honestly, if I was a Disney Executive and it came down to a choice between Arabian Nights and Proud of Your Boy, it's no contest which needed to stay. They could have made Proud of Your Boy work!!

The Genie in general. I hate how he steals a huge chunk of the movie and derails it with unfunny impressions and lame jokes and pop culture references that only serve to date the movie. (Will children 50-60 years from now understand a Jack Nicholson reference? It'd be like if Walt had stuck Greta Garbo jokes in Snow White.)

The scene where Jasmine figures out that Aladdin lied to her: why have this scene if the next thing we know, Jafar is using this information to dress Aladdin down in front of her during the Prince Ali Reprise? Why is Jasmine surprised suddenly, considering Aladdin JUST told her the 'truth?' I say they should have cut that scene with Jasmine and Aladdin to make the reveal that Jafar does have much more impact. (I suppose, this being the early 90s, they wanted an 'empowered' princess or something and figured if Jasmine didn't figure it out, then we'd think, oh, that's because ALL women are dumb. Or something.)

All that being said, I love the characters. I love Aladdin himself, I love the Magic Carpet. Jafar....sigh. He was my childhood. I wanted to BE Jafar when I was 3. (I use to pretend I was Jafar. I had one of the curtain rods from my parent's closet serve as my snake staff. And I had a big Aladdin doll that I would choke and punch. Because...I was Jafar)

The songs, particularly the Ashman ones, are great. I don't really like One Jump Ahead or its Reprise (seriously, why couldn't they've used Proud of Your Boy?! So, so, much better!) I get the feeling that One Jump Ahead is Tim Rice trying desperately to sound like Howard Ashman. (The frenetic pace, the lightning fast snappy lyrics) I don't think he succeeded. He comes off being too derivative. But A Whole New World is pretty great. Prince Ali is probably my favorite. And Friend Like Me is so wonderful. I think Arabian Nights is alright, but it should have been used like Ashman intended: the FULL version (they censor it because Arabs complained? These are the same cultures that are still stoning women to death and hanging gay kids in the public squares, right? Don't mean to come off as bigoted or anything, but I call bullshit. I don't think your culture has a right to get miffed about the suggestion that you're violent if you're still operating under middle age law) and have it serve as a running narration as it was intended (have you guys heard the lyrics for some of those intended Reprises? They're wonderful!) And in the end, have the Merchant revealed to have been the Genie the entire time, telling the story. Explaining why he would know the tale, why he had the lamp, why he was also voiced by Robin Williams, etc. And I loved Jafar's Humiliate the Boy song, too.

So, overall, I have mixed feelings toward Aladdin as it is. I look at it and see my fond childhood memories but I also see a much better film buried beneath all the cuts and re-writes.

Pinocchio, I like. But I HATE Jiminy Cricket. HATE HATE HATE that f-ing insect. Oh, lord. I can't help but get PISSED everytime I watch the film because Jiminy is SUCH a self-centered asshole. Always abandoning Pinoke when the poor boy needs him most. Always getting mouthy and running off at the first sign of trouble. And doing all of this, not out of concern for Pinoke's well-being, but because he wants to impress that Blue Fairy ****. And in the end gets rewarded! And I HATE that anytime Disney needs an example of a true friend, they use Jiminy. F*** that cricket! Timothy Q. Mouse all the way! That Mouse is everything Jiminy wasn't: a true friend, through and through, who wasn't afraid to stick up for the little guy. But because Jiminy sings When You Wish Upon A Star, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Gah!! Also, we spend, what, 15 or so minuted underwater with Pinoke and Jiminy looking for Monstro? How is a cricket able to stay alive underwater so long? I can buy Pinocchio doing it, considering he's an anthropomorphic puppet, but a supposedly live cricket? This section of the film annoys me. So, yeah, I've always much preferred Snow White, Dumbo, Bambi, Sleeping Beauty, to this.

The Lion King...again, I could go into an essay-length post on what all I don't like about this film. (Most of the songs, Be Prepared excluded, Simba as a character, the pointless out-of-nowhere romance between Simba and Nala, TIMON AND PUMBAA.) I love Scar. I love Rafiki. And Mufasa's pretty cool. But everything else...meh.

So, yeah. I'm hoping Hunchback, Beauty and the Beast and Mermaid all get the top 3.
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I'm quite happy with the final run up althought i think i'd prefer in order

6. Pinocchio
5. Hunchback
4. Lion King
3. The Little mermaid
2. Aladdin
1. Beauty and The Beast

the final TLM, Aladdin and BATB could be arranged in any order though x
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ProfessorRatigan wrote:The scene where Jasmine figures out that Aladdin lied to her: why have this scene if the next thing we know, Jafar is using this information to dress Aladdin down in front of her during the Prince Ali Reprise? Why is Jasmine surprised suddenly, considering Aladdin JUST told her the 'truth?' I say they should have cut that scene with Jasmine and Aladdin to make the reveal that Jafar does have much more impact. (I suppose, this being the early 90s, they wanted an 'empowered' princess or something and figured if Jasmine didn't figure it out, then we'd think, oh, that's because ALL women are dumb. Or something.)
If I remember correctly, he doesn't tell her the complete truth. She finds out he's the one she met in the marketplace but that's it.
ProfessorRatigan wrote:The Lion King...again, I could go into an essay-length post on what all I don't like about this film. (Most of the songs, Be Prepared excluded, Simba as a character, the pointless out-of-nowhere romance between Simba and Nala, TIMON AND PUMBAA.) I love Scar. I love Rafiki. And Mufasa's pretty cool. But everything else...meh.
Sounds more like a gripe due to its popularity (popularity fuels hate) because of the remark that "it always seems to, doesn't it? :roll: " with how it's usually ranked so the criticisms could be easily written off as that but anyway, the romance wasn't pointless (Hello, Circle of Life at the end?) their getting together was hinted at while they were kids by Zazu. There was nothing out-of-nowhere about it.

Oh and I do love your appreciation of Hunchback! Sorely underrated film! :up:
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ProfessorRatigan wrote:The narrator at the beginning: why have him if he doesn't come back later in the story?
:scratch: Well...some characters don't have to come back into a story once they've served their purpose. The narrator was just a way to entertainingly introduce the film. Why would he have to come back later? He's not an important character. What you're saying is like saying...why have the Hunstman in Snow White if we don't see what happens to him later, or why have Stromboli in Pinocchio if he doesn't come back afterwards, or why put a personified version of 'the Soundtrack' in Fantasia if he doesn't make a subsequent reappearance?
ProfessorRatigan wrote:The Genie in general. I hate how he steals a huge chunk of the movie and derails it with unfunny impressions and lame jokes and pop culture references that only serve to date the movie. (Will children 50-60 years from now understand a Jack Nicholson reference? It'd be like if Walt had stuck Greta Garbo jokes in Snow White.)
I understand what you're saying here, but unlike many modern CGI films (especially those by Dreamworks) the humour didn't rely entirely on the pop culture references themselves; even if you didn't know who Genie was impersonating, the joke could still work. When I was younger, I didn't get many of the Genie's references, but I still found Genie funny.
ProfessorRatigan wrote:The scene where Jasmine figures out that Aladdin lied to her: why have this scene if the next thing we know, Jafar is using this information to dress Aladdin down in front of her during the Prince Ali Reprise? Why is Jasmine surprised suddenly, considering Aladdin JUST told her the 'truth?' I say they should have cut that scene with Jasmine and Aladdin to make the reveal that Jafar does have much more impact.
You may have forgotten that in the scene when Jasmine figures out that Aladdin lied to her...HE TELLS HER ANOTHER LIE. Jasmine recognises Prince Ali as the 'streetrat' she met in the marketplace, but Aladdin lies once again, saying that he is really a prince but sometimes pretends to be poor to escape the confinements and pressure of being a prince.

I personally think that your idea for an improvement wouldn't have added more impact to Jafar's reveal of Aladdin's identity; as a matter of fact, because Aladdin told Jasmine a second lie after she recognised him, I think the scene has MORE impact because of the moments with Aladdin and Jasmine on the rooftop in China.
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Ready when you are, Duster.

Anyhow, I'm pleased that Snow White, Fantasia and Sleeping Beauty got into the top ten; I was worried the first two wouldn't get in, but I wish all three were higher than Hunchback, BatB, TLK and maybe even The Little Mermaid. I hope the final part of the list turns out like this:

1. Pinocchio
2. Aladdin
3. The Little Mermaid
4. Beauty and the Beast
5. The Hunchback of Notre Dame
6. The Lion King

Although Pinocchio may not even make the top three. :(
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What you're saying is like saying...why have the Hunstman in Snow White if we don't see what happens to him later, or why have Stromboli in Pinocchio if he doesn't come back afterwards, or why put a personified version of 'the Soundtrack' in Fantasia if he doesn't make a subsequent reappearance?
Not really. The difference between all those, with the exception of the 'Soundtrack' in Fantasia, is that they actually propel the plot forward. The Narrator just shows up, sings a song, and then sends us to the Jafar in the Desert scene. The Narrator's part isn't therefore necessary in any way. We could open on Jafar in the desert and the film would be pretty much exactly the same. In the original version of Aladdin, the Merchant was to be more like the Muses in Hercules, showing up throughout the film and singing Reprises of Arabian Nights to propel the story along.
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ProfessorRatigan wrote:The scene where Jasmine figures out that Aladdin lied to her: why have this scene if the next thing we know, Jafar is using this information to dress Aladdin down in front of her during the Prince Ali Reprise? Why is Jasmine surprised suddenly, considering Aladdin JUST told her the 'truth?' I say they should have cut that scene with Jasmine and Aladdin to make the reveal that Jafar does have much more impact. (I suppose, this being the early 90s, they wanted an 'empowered' princess or something and figured if Jasmine didn't figure it out, then we'd think, oh, that's because ALL women are dumb. Or something.)
If I remember correctly, he doesn't tell her the complete truth. She finds out he's the one she met in the marketplace but that's it.
ProfessorRatigan wrote:The Lion King...again, I could go into an essay-length post on what all I don't like about this film. (Most of the songs, Be Prepared excluded, Simba as a character, the pointless out-of-nowhere romance between Simba and Nala, TIMON AND PUMBAA.) I love Scar. I love Rafiki. And Mufasa's pretty cool. But everything else...meh.
Sounds more like a gripe due to its popularity (popularity fuels hate) because of the remark that "it always seems to, doesn't it? :roll: " with how it's usually ranked so the criticisms could be easily written off as that but anyway, the romance wasn't pointless (Hello, Circle of Life at the end?) their getting together was hinted at while they were kids by Zazu. There was nothing out-of-nowhere about it.

Oh and I do love your appreciation of Hunchback! Sorely underrated film! :up:
I love TLK but it is rather unfair to say that he only dislikes it because of its popularity. Its clear that he does have legitimate gripes against the movie.
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I don't hate it for its popularity. Beauty and the Beast is insanely popular, and I consider it my second favorite DAC, and one of my favorite films of all time. In fact, I don't HATE The Lion King at all. I think it's a pretty good film. Pretty good. But not quite great. Some of the writing in it comes off to me as heavy-handed. Like they were trying SO hard to make us appreciate it on an intellectual level. But those scenes, to me, come off as corny.

(The scene where Simba steps into Mufasa's pawprint. He's got some pretty big shoes to fill, eh?) I feel a scene like that kind of hits us over the head with what it's trying to say. And the same thing with the scene with Simba and Rafiki. "Going back means I'll have to confront my past! I've been running from it SO LONG..." I actually groaned out loud re-watching that scene in the theater this September. That smacks as terribly lazy writing to me. Now, Rafiki's end of that scene is pretty good: it wasn't flat-out stating what they were trying to say, it was a bit more subtle. And that made it all the more effective. "Oh, yes, the past can hurt. But the way I see it, you can either run from it. Or learn from it." That part works. The Simba bluntly stating the moral of the film in a groan-worthy sentence...yeah, I don't think that does.

And speaking of Simba: he's dull. As a kid, he's rambunctious and a little bit of a brat. He's kind of annoying, but, hey, that's a kid for you. He grows up and then he's whiny. I think having Matthew Broderick voicing this character really adds to my dislike him. Broderick's voice is too nasally. Too mousy. Simba, like Mufasa, should have sounded REGAL. He should sound majestic. I don't think Ferris Bueller is what springs to mind when you think King of the Jungle.

The Hyenas...I think they're too comical and that they aren't that menacing. I think a villain can be funny and menacing at the same time. (Ursula, Cruella, McLeach, Ratigan, Jafar) But here, that combination doesn't really work. It would have been cool if they were more like the Joker or something. Hyenas and their distinctive laughs...it could have worked like that. Funny in a very dangerous way. And I wish they would have worked more with the Hyenas having insane, terrifying laughs. (Though their first entrance in the film, coming out of the elephant skull is very nearly perfect. If only it'd have been maintained! Their puns are horrible...)

Simba and Nala...yeah, sorry, but I think theirs is the blandest, most unnecessary romance in the Disney canon. Okay, so, we need the "Circle of Life" to come full circle, (way to rip off Bambi, Lion King...) I'll give you that. But. I dunno. They could have done a much better job with it. She chases Pumbaa, she finds Simba is still alive, we get an insipid, uninspired love song, and then suddenly, they're arguing... I can tell this is a love meant to be. :lol: Five minutes they've been romantic together and they're fighting. I think it's clunky. It doesn't come off as genuine and seems forced. There isn't any chemistry between the two of them. When I watch Jasmine and Aladdin interact, or Belle and the Beast, or Tarzan and Jane or Hercules and Meg, I believe in their romances. Simba's and Nala's come off as a mere plot device. Because, essentially, that's what it is: a way to get us to an ending that comes, hey presto, full circle.

Timon and Pumbaa...ugh. Just ugh. These two characters, to me, represent everything that is wrong with this film. Tonally, I mean. People always lob the criticism at Hunchback that it 'doesn't know what it wants to be' and 'throws in unnecessary comic relief' but I NEVER hear the same charge leveled at Lion King, and to me, LK is a much greater offender. The Gargoyles in Hunchback seem to be the most HATED characters in the entire Disney canon, in fact, anytime ANYONE mentions Hunchback, they can't help but spout out some iteration of, 'It'd be great, if it didn't have those gargoyles in it.' It always seemed weird to me. I always watched Hunchback and went, 'I honestly don't see what everybody hates about these characters. I cannot see any difference between them, the woodland critters in Snow, the mice in Cinderella, or Flounder, or Timon & Pumbaa.' They all are comic relief, but the Gargoyles get extra hate. I never understood it, because the Gargoyles, the worst thing they ever do is encourage Quasimodo. Meanwhile, Timon & Pumbaa advocate a SELFISH, detestable lifestyle and actually STRAY OUR HERO DOWN THE WRONG PATH IN LIFE. Everything else in the film SCREAMS at us that RUNNING AWAY FROM YOUR PROBLEMS IS BAD and YET Timon and Pumbaa personify that, and SING ITS VIRTUES in a catchy, toe-tapping musical number. At NO POINT IN THE FILM do Timon and Pumbaa have to acknowledge that Hakuna Mata is wrong. They never renounce it. But in the end are help up as heroes. And that's probably my biggest beef with this film: it isn't consistent. It wants to have a moral and it wants us to take it seriously, but these two characters completely refute everything else the film is trying to say. All that and I think they're crass and stupid and not funny at all. I don't think flatulence is cute, or endearing.

I love Scar and every scene he's in. I love Rafiki, but wish the film spent more time with him, and gave us some more insight into his character. I LOVE Be Prepared with a passion. Circle of Life is a great sequence. Mufasa is very believable and regal and majestic and his death is a great scene. Zazu works. Sarabi, Simba's mother, isn't given enough screen presence. I want to know how SHE deals with her husband's & son's deaths. That could have been just as emotional as the death of Mufasa. In fact, it could have been more heart-breaking. But, maybe that's just a nitpick.

All in all, the Lion King is a mixed bag for me. The animation, is, of course, beautiful however. No complaints there.
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If nothing else the Merchant at least shows the audience what type of humour to expect later from the movie, since Genie doesn't show up until some 35-40 minutes into it. Iago was designed to help out with that too, but the merchant is Robin Williams instead of a substiute.

However, the concerns over integrating Genie show how he probably should have been handled better from the start. I remember from The Little Mermaid commentary how Buddy Hackett talked about not writing Scuttle like it was him and more like what the character should be. That clearly wasn't the case for Aladdin and it shows by having him seem totally out of place when compared to everyone else (except Iago, who is arguably more annoying and less useful for the plot).
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That clearly wasn't the case for Aladdin and it shows by having him seem totally out of place when compared to everyone else (except Iago, who is arguably more annoying and less useful for the plot).
I agree. Iago can be grating. That all stems from Gilbert Gottfried's vocal performance, though. I believe originally, Iago started out as a prim and proper haughty British-accented Parrot. I would have liked to see how that would have been in the film. But they DID need a character for Jafar to play off of, considering he's isolated from the rest of the cast for the majority of the film.
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The Results - Part VII: Numbers 4-6

6. Image (613)
5. Image (659)
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Well, it's been no surprise that the magic four are also taking the first four spots in this list.
I've seen Hunchback in 96 and can't remember much from it, to be honest. But for the life of me I cán't imagine why it should be number 6 in this list. It went from number 11 to 6, so a nice step up. Pinocchio also went up a few spots from 10 to 5.
The Lion King remained at the same spot, number 4. I enjoy The Lion King, the animation is good, the songs are nice, but it's not one of my favorites for some reason, compared to Mermaid or Beast. It's missing something in my opinion.

In a few hours from now, I'll post the Top 3!
So come on people, make a guess which movies will be taking those spots! Will Beauty be numer 1 again, or maybe Aladdin as it was on a LOT of people's lists ranking pretty high....or did the little Mermaid swim from the second spot to the first spot?
Khonnor wrote:Still in the running:

28. The Little Mermaid 1989
30. Beauty and the Beast 1991
31. Aladdin 1992
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Not a great deal of surprises so far, but I've got to say that I'm really surprised that The Hunchback of Notre Dame really got so high. I've also got to say that I'm disappointed that The Jungle Book and Dumbo also didn't get into the Top 20. Tarzan and Pocahontas could have not featured at least. :(
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St.GeorgeMickeyMouseFlynn wrote:
Khonnor wrote: Close, but no cigar.... 8)

Or, actually...only one of those is in the right spot. :)
The big question is which one? 8)
So, the only one in the right spot was TLK.

Which means there are only two possibilities remaining, how the last three films could be placed in the list.

A)
1. The Little Mermaid
2. Aladdin
3. Beauty and the Beast

B)
1. Aladdin
2. Beauty and the Beast
3. The Little Mermaid

I tip on the first.
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I've seen Hunchback in 96 and can't remember much from it, to be honest. But for the life of me I cán't imagine why it should be number 6 in this list.
How about because it's a freakin' masterpiece? :wink: Seriously, if you haven't seen it since its first theatrical release nearly 16 years ago, you REALLY need to see it again. How old were you? I know alot of people who didn't like it when they were kids. It is a more 'adult' appealing film. (Though it was one of my favorites when I saw it as a kid. *shrug*)

The reason people like me rank it so highly, is because it really is a triumph. The music, the animation, the characters...everything really comes together perfectly to form one of the most emotionally resonant films in the DAC. This film not only has heart, it has soul.

From the innocent and hopeful protagonist, Quasimodo, to the beautiful, passionate Esmeralda, to the conflicted and scornful Frollo, to the colorful Clopin...all these characters truly come to life. And the message of the film is beautiful and hits home. Beauty and the Beast may have taught us to accept others for what they may look like on the outside, but Hunchback taught us to accept ourselves. The score is one of the most powerful I've ever listened to. The film deals with big issues and themes (religious bigotry, racism, and prejudice, Salvation, Damnation and God) (in the God Help The Outcasts scene, Esmeralda even questions the existence of God. How many times has THAT ever happened in a family film? "I don't know if you can hear me," she begins to sing, "-Or if you're even there. I don't know if you would listen to a Gypsy's prayer...") and it doesn't talk down to the audience one bit. My appreciation for the film has only grown over time, and I imagine it will continue to grow as the years pass.

The ONLY negative thing I can say about the film is that in ONE scene (the Feast of Fools/Topsy Turvy) the background characters are CGI and look horribly dated. It looked fine in 1996, but it's pretty rough by today's standards. That's literally the only fault I can find in the film. And it isn't a big enough issue to dismiss any of the other wonderful, powerful things on display. I can overlook ONE scene's ugly backgrounds.

So, I'm glad it made it into the Top 10, but I'm a little disappointed it didn't make it in the Top 3, I admit! But speaking of the top 3, I have a feeling Beauty and the Beast will get third, Mermaid will get second and Aladdin wins.
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