I tend to agree for the most part. I think I'm not as against Disney doing any CG films as I was say five years ago, but I think for them to completely lose hand drawn is one more sign that they are out of touch with who they are, or were as the case seems to be. Even if it was for every 2 CG films we get one hand drawn, I'd be ok with that. Losing this great art form is truly disconcerting.DisneyJedi wrote:Really, what is with Disney thinking that CG is better than hand-drawn?! CG wouldn't even exist if it weren't for hand-drawn, let alone Disney! They INVENTED hand-drawn animation, said they were going to bring it back and they're giving the medium/us a big fat middle finger in the form of CG!
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All the adversity I've had in my life, all my troubles and obstacles, have strengthened me... You may not realize it when it happens, but a kick in the teeth may be the best thing in the world for you.
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All the adversity I've had in my life, all my troubles and obstacles, have strengthened me... You may not realize it when it happens, but a kick in the teeth may be the best thing in the world for you.
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False! Totally and utterly false! Disney Jedi's response is not "equally" out of line. Disney Jedi's response is a MILLION TIMES more out of line. Unless you interpret Super Aurora's reply as saying he thinks Disney Jedi is a dick and he caused Super A.'s grandmother cancer... No?! Then it's not equal. Not at all. And remember this is not the first time Jedi makes replies like this. Remember him wishing Randy Newman died? Or that he said John Lasseter was repsonsible for Roy Disney's death or something like that? Strange, but I can't recall Super Aurora saying things like that.Luke wrote:Super Aurora, you needn't pepper your corrections with personal insults. In the time it took you to write that putdown, you probably could have written a sentence mentioning some of animation's pioneers and encouraged him to research further.
DisneyJedi, your response is equally out of line[...]
If *I* had said what Disney Jedi said, I would've been suspended faster than you can say "Disney Jedi is a drama queen".
And you have never gotten a 3 week suspension because... ?DisneyJedi wrote:Screw you, Aurora! You're just a troll like everyone else on this site and I'm pretty damn sick of it! Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it was YOUR fault that Disney stopped doing hand-drawn animated films. Everything going wrong at Disney is your fault! It's YOUR fault my grandmother died of breast cancer back in June because you're such a dick to me!
Oh, that's right, I forgot! You have to make a harmless joke about another member who totally doesn't take offense to it and explicitly states so, to get banned. Silly me.
Oh, and Louis the alligator from PatF is the worst character in the history of the animated film.
Oh, and I think Randy Newman is a genius.
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It's ok, Goliath. I really don't give a shit. DJ can say all he want at me. All he going to give me by saying all that, is a nice big smile on my face.
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And you, Goliath never been suspended or gotten in trouble why?Goliath wrote: Oh, and I think Randy Newman is a genius.
Oh, yeah! You're a Karma Houdini who also happens to never learn from anything, is as much of a @$$hole as Super Aurora and I hope you BOTH get suspended permanently! Because all you can think of is angering me and you deserve it really badly!
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Hey,do you go to TV tropes.com because I regconized that trope you wrote.DisneyJedi wrote:And you, Goliath never been suspended or gotten in trouble why?Goliath wrote: Oh, and I think Randy Newman is a genius.
Oh, yeah! You're a Karma Houdini who also happens to never learn from anything, is as much of a @$$hole as Super Aurora and I hope you BOTH get suspended permanently! Because all you can think of is angering me and you deserve it really badly!
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I'm a troper myself on that site.I just love seeing the info on movies the got there and I also like visitng the tropes involving Disney movies as well.DisneyJedi wrote:Yeah. I visit it whenever I get bored.jazzflower92 wrote: Hey,do you go to TV tropes.com because I regconized that trope you wrote.
Yeah no, sorry, but shut the fuck up. Now I tell you this not because I personally hate you, nor am I trying to offend you, but you need to seriously calm down.DisneyJedi wrote:Oh, yeah! You're a Karma Houdini who also happens to never learn from anything, is as much of a @$$hole as Super Aurora and I hope you BOTH get suspended permanently! Because all you can think of is angering me and you deserve it really badly!
There is a severe difference in someone pointing out that you're wrong and suggesting that your opinion on something is idiotic or foolish or straight up factually wrong, than calling someone an actual asshole/idiot/whatever. Not only are you actively insulting users, but you're regressively turning the debate to make yourself look even more foolish.
Step back for a second and re-read the comments. Criticism towards your posts is always valid in some form or another, and if you don't think it is, challenge them. This doesn't mean, "SHUT THE FUCK YOU ASSHOLE TROLL, YOU DESERVE TO BE BANNED AND I BLAME YOU FOR ALL THE TERRIBLE THINGS IN THE WORLD." but rather, this means that you politely and progressively approach the situation, which could be a simple question of, "Why do you think *my opinion* is invalid?" A forum is, first and foremost, supposed to be a place where people share their opinions on things, and there's absolutely no place for insults from either you or anyone on this board.
It's called forum ethic and you lack it in every level possible. It's completely unacceptable to conduct yourself in the manner you have and you should feel ashamed and immature.
If you feel like someone is trolling you and you just can't take it, ignore it. Most likely, Super Aurora just finds you annoying at best, and he finds humor in the fact that you react so angrily. That's the entire point, and I hope someday you can mature up enough to find how someone might find someone, such as yourself, who is overreacting humorous too.
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Having a difference in opinions is in no way, antagonizing. At most, they vehemently disagree with you, but it's not necessarily meant to be correlated with turning you into their arch-nemesis. The notion of that on the internet is utterly ridiculous.DisneyJedi wrote:You don't understand, Big One! They LOVE to antagonize me with their opinions! They're both trolls and will attack me at any chance they can! That's all they care about! Why can't anybody have the common sense to SEE that?!
If you can respond with supporting your original point with something other than insults, then yes, you won't get laughed at. I doubt Super Aurora and others hate you because you don't like CG, cause that opinion is pure preference at best, but you have to consider their opinions too as being just as valid as your own.
The first step is to look at the flaws of your own opinion, and iron them out. Forum debates are supposed to be progressive where both parties get something out of it, so if you have any reason to believe Disney is deliberately destroying the 2D medium, then give us a valid reason to believe that. You have to make your opinion on things based in reality, cause otherwise it isn't even an opinion in the first place (it's a unfounded claim).
The second step is to see if your post brings anything to the thread. Does saying, "DISNEY SUCKS." bring anything to a thread where such a comment is barely relevant or applicable? Does getting simply overly angry make a solid case for you? All it does is make you look whiny and angry for no real reason, like if Disney destroyed your life.
Seriously, dude! You need to lighten up before it's too late! I'm maybe as dramatic as you, but I never done anything that's offensive like blaming someone or calling people names. And when I call Sotris a son of a window dresser is meant to be a joke, because I love Monty Python and the Holy Grail.DisneyJedi wrote:You don't understand, Big One! They LOVE to antagonize me with their opinions! They're both trolls and will attack me at any chance they can! That's all they care about! Why can't anybody have the common sense to SEE that?!
Every time you reacted like your losing faith to Disney, you got me having a negative behavior. Even though want Disney just create a new hand drawn series of Mickey Mouse, I tried not to give up hope. Making hand drawn movies is very expensive. But it's not the end of hand drawn. Now I realize I was an idiot and I nearly misunderstood of what Disney doing right now. You need stop blaming people, including Bob Iger and Tangled. I thought Tangled was Disney's Best CGIMovie. Nobody's abusuing you. You abused yourself! On the final note, you need to see a therapist. 
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Disney's simply ruining everything for us by forcing John and Ron to sell out, favoring CG as opposed to hand-drawn and I kind of feel that it's all Tangled's fault. If that movie hadn't made so much money, then hand-drawn films would have a fighting chance! But NOOO!!!
Because of Tangled, Snow Queen is fuckin' "Frozen" now AND being CG because the fact it was hand-drawn was the movie's "main problem"! And John and Ron, who are the ONLY ones who actually CARE about hand-drawn's future, are selling out by having their movie CG... and... and....
And we don't even know if Guillermo Del Toro's still working on The Haunted Mansion reboot, or if it's still in production, because Disney's leaving us in the dark completely!
Because of Tangled, Snow Queen is fuckin' "Frozen" now AND being CG because the fact it was hand-drawn was the movie's "main problem"! And John and Ron, who are the ONLY ones who actually CARE about hand-drawn's future, are selling out by having their movie CG... and... and....
And we don't even know if Guillermo Del Toro's still working on The Haunted Mansion reboot, or if it's still in production, because Disney's leaving us in the dark completely!
I'm not sure how this ruins everything when it's very clear Disney wants to do both 2D and 3D animation together for a good while. Snow Queen being a 3D feature was always up in the air and I'm not sure why you would've expected anything else.DisneyJedi wrote:Disney's simply ruining everything for us by forcing John and Ron to sell out, favoring CG as opposed to hand-drawn and I kind of feel that it's all Tangled's fault. If that movie hadn't made so much money, then hand-drawn films would have a fighting chance! But NOOO!!!
Because of Tangled, Snow Queen is fuckin' "Frozen" now AND being CG because the fact it was hand-drawn was the movie's "main problem"! And John and Ron, who are the ONLY ones who actually CARE about hand-drawn's future, are selling out by having their movie CG... and... and....
And we don't even know if Guillermo Del Toro's still working on The Haunted Mansion reboot, or if it's still in production, because Disney's leaving us in the dark completely!
And after we got Tangled, there is no doubt that the CG Disney will be doing for now on will be anything short of amazing.
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You attract all sorts of negative attention with your over-the-top ranting, especially when you start typing out senseless blaming, odd conspiracy theories, and death wishes when others simply disagree with you or you don't like the direction the Disney company is going. Others may instigate at times just to watch for your reaction but they don't carry on nearly to the level that you do, and I seriously doubt that their entire world revolves around "attacking" you as you seem to believe.DisneyJedi wrote:You don't understand, Big One! They LOVE to antagonize me with their opinions! They're both trolls and will attack me at any chance they can! That's all they care about! Why can't anybody have the common sense to SEE that?!
I mean, seriously . . . blaming JL for Roy's death? Wishing Randy Newman would . . . what was it, get hit by a bus? Blaming a forum member that ticked you off for your grandmother's death? You come off as very irrational and it makes it difficult for anyone to take you seriously. And as much as I love Disney, it doesn't control my mood, let alone my entire life . . . and you seem to have issues with several things that go well beyond the scope of this forum . . .
Sigh . . . and just when I was trying to tell a friend that the hostility had gone down around here . . . and of all threads to likely get locked.
Hahahah when TsWade is telling you you're being dramatic, you know there's problems.
And seriously. DisneyJedi. We understand you're passionate about Disney. We understand you're passionate about hand drawn animation. But you act as if these things actually have an effect on your well-being. We're talking about cartoons, DisneyJedi. You're acting as if your life is literally ruined.
You need to calm down. Because Goliath and Big One (Big One! outta nowhere) are both right. Members have been banned or at least suspended for things FAR less questionable than some of your posts. If I were Luke, I would absolutely suspend you for a few weeks so you could catch your breath and relax a little. You should know that the only reason you aren't being suspended is most likely because you are DisneyJedi, and are known on this forum for being completely over-the-top dramatic. That isn't fair, but it's expected.
You need to step back for a minute, evaluate what is truly important in life, understand that a forum on the internet is completely insignificant in real life, take a deep breath, apologize to everyone, and Keep Calm and Carry On.
And seriously. DisneyJedi. We understand you're passionate about Disney. We understand you're passionate about hand drawn animation. But you act as if these things actually have an effect on your well-being. We're talking about cartoons, DisneyJedi. You're acting as if your life is literally ruined.
You need to calm down. Because Goliath and Big One (Big One! outta nowhere) are both right. Members have been banned or at least suspended for things FAR less questionable than some of your posts. If I were Luke, I would absolutely suspend you for a few weeks so you could catch your breath and relax a little. You should know that the only reason you aren't being suspended is most likely because you are DisneyJedi, and are known on this forum for being completely over-the-top dramatic. That isn't fair, but it's expected.
You need to step back for a minute, evaluate what is truly important in life, understand that a forum on the internet is completely insignificant in real life, take a deep breath, apologize to everyone, and Keep Calm and Carry On.
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Okay, I admit that there are some things he may need to learn, but I have to say it. I can't stand by anymore.
DisneyJedi, I, too, feel that some people (I won't name names) really have purposely been trying to rile you up instead of talk nicely to you in an attempt to calmly bring you to a positive discussion. I think some people have been almost borderline abusing you by subtley saying or doing small things that they shouldn't be, and I am sorry they have been. You're a sensitive guy and some people just don't seem to see that and think what they're doing is just harmless fun. I'm sorry you've gone through this, I'm sorry Disney animation is turning so terribly.
Until all of us Disney fans rise up and tell Disney to knock it off with protests and campaigns, I'm afraid we'll just have to remember, Disney used to make classic movies with classic animation long ago...and those movies are still masterpieces today we will love forever.
DisneyJedi, I, too, feel that some people (I won't name names) really have purposely been trying to rile you up instead of talk nicely to you in an attempt to calmly bring you to a positive discussion. I think some people have been almost borderline abusing you by subtley saying or doing small things that they shouldn't be, and I am sorry they have been. You're a sensitive guy and some people just don't seem to see that and think what they're doing is just harmless fun. I'm sorry you've gone through this, I'm sorry Disney animation is turning so terribly.
Until all of us Disney fans rise up and tell Disney to knock it off with protests and campaigns, I'm afraid we'll just have to remember, Disney used to make classic movies with classic animation long ago...and those movies are still masterpieces today we will love forever.
