The Disney Essence Debate

[CJ]

I have a couple of concerns with this thread. The primary one being the discussion of why or why not another thread was locked. That discussion has no place in this thread or in any other thread.

The second being the discussion of forum members instead of the topic of this thread. Honestly, there is no need for that type of discussion, ever. It has no bearing whatsoever on this topic.

You're being disingeneous. (Shocker!)

Goliath, you are coming dangerously close to a personal attack with that one. Try not to do that anymore.

I hope this thread can get back on topic after this post. If it can't, I will be forced to close it. Consider yourselves warned.

[Dr Frankenollie]

I have a couple of concerns with this thread. The primary one being the discussion of why or why not another thread was locked. That discussion has no place in this thread or in any other thread.

I am also disappointed in The_Iceflash for bringing an off-topic subject like that up; I'm very sorry that I continued the subject he started posting about. I hope you are not irritated with me at all.

NOTE: If this counts as continuing the off-topic discussion, then I apologise, and instead of locking this thread please just delete this post.

[Goliath]

You're being disingeneous. (Shocker!)

Goliath, you are coming dangerously close to a personal attack with that one. Try not to do that anymore.

How is that a personal attack?! I'm pointing out a deficiency in his arguments. And others are pointing out deficiencies in Disney Duster's argumentation. We do this by pointing out the reasonings that lie behind the arguments. That's relevant to this thread, because when one's reasonings don't ring true, that has bearing on their arguments and thus on the discussion. There's absolutely *no* "personal attack" in that.

But, I have noticed, in the past few weeks, *everything* that provokes even mild discussion (on a discussion forum, no less!) is automatically and instantly labeled as "attack" by you or the other mods. You stifle every form of possible discussion. If we had it your way, we would only agree with each other all day.

I hope this thread can get back on topic after this post. If it can't, I will be forced to close it. Consider yourselves warned.

No, you're not "forced" to close it. You *want* to close it. Like you've closed almost all interesting threads in the past few weeks. You have a closing mania. You love to close; it's all you ever do anymore! I don't know why you feel this urge to stifle any discussion, but it's part of the reason why more than a few members have told me they think the forum has gotten very boring and they come here less and less --and I though that was the thing the mods, of all people, would want to prevent. But the last few weeks, you're throwing around locks on threads as if you have an enormous surplus of them and you're determined to get rid of them.

And "consider yourself warned" had some effect on me when the principal said it to me in high school, but on an internet forum, it's a bit laughable.

Or, to put it shortly: I think you´re looking for problems that aren´t there.

[Sky Syndrome]

I wish Disney essence was a line of perfume bottles with lady Disney characters on them so I wouldn't keep trying to figure it out.

[WonderlandFever]

I have to agree with Goliath, I can't remember the last time I've visited this forum or the whole site for that matter because of how outrageous things are getting. The good stuff is being canned and this stupid essence topic just won't die! Tired of the same old boring topics a million times over. Well I'll probably see the forum again only if there is any news worthy of being posted in the Parks forum.

[CJ]

You love to close; it's all you ever do anymore!

You know why it is all I ever do anymore? I will tell you why, it is because moderating comes before my personal posting. That is the responsibility I took on when I signed up for the job. And it is a suck-all- the- life out you job. One where I am damned if I do, and damned if I don’t. I can’t make everyone happy all the time, that is never going to happen. There will always be someone who will think I made a poor judgment call on any given discussion I make. Thankfully, I don’t have to answer to anyone, but Luke. And I have always said, “If you are unhappy with my moderation, take it up with Luke directly.” I’m not perfect, I make mistakes.

I don’t have an endless amount of time to devote to posting on the forum. I have had a very limited amount of time each day for posting. The sad thing is, by the time I get through answering the pms and emails I receive daily, there is no time for me to post the about the fun things anymore. There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t have to take care of a thread that is spiraling out of control, one that is going wildly off-topic, a forum member who has broken one of the rules, or someone has inadvertently hurt someone’s feelings. So yeah, I get to be the lame mod who sucks all the joy out of the forums, instead of the easy going poster who at one time got to participate in actual discussions.

Oh I know what some of you are thinking, “There goes CJ ranting about the lack of her precious time again.” (some of you are now scratching your heads on that one, yes people I am female) In a perfect world, I would have the time I so desperately crave to get back to the easy going poster. Unfortunately, a perfect world doesn’t exist, real life gets in the way sometimes. Real life is full of time sucking responsibilities (such as a job) and unexpected health problems. Some of you may have noticed a few stretches of time, where I disappeared from the forums. I wasn’t taking a break or being a laid back mod, who let everything slide.

No, those periods of time were spent in and out of the hospital. At the first of the year, I experienced the wonderful joys of stress. Stress so severe, that it led to sky high blood pressure, and the possibilities of having a heart attack or stroke before I turn 30. No sooner than I get that under control, then I get the ultimate crappy birthday present of a leg tumor. Yah Me! A leg tumor that hurt like hell, just what I always wanted. The disappearing act I pulled recently was for my surgery to remove said annoying tumor, and for me to recover. Oh, but wait there is more fun to be had in medical hell. Lucky CJ, gets to spend one more night in the hospital, after all what does one more disaster matter at this point. The universe throws in a curveball she never saw coming, CJ gets attacked by a dog yesterday. Not just any dog mind you, no her neighbor’s aggressive ass pit bull, who surprises the hell out of everyone by jumping the four foot high fence into her backyard. What was CJ doing when said dog takes a chunk out of her? Why she is having a conversation with said neighbor. Was CJ touching the fence at any time? Nope, CJ was a good foot away from the fence when Kujo decided he wanted to snack on a boob. That's right folks, Kujo took a chunk out of my boob. Nice to see the Universe has a sense of humor. Kinda makes the leg tumor not seem so bad. So the fun just keeps happening for me, at this rate I will look like Frankenstein’s monster without the need for a costume or make-up by Halloween. Stitches and scars everywhere. Hell, the universe may even tire of screwing with me, and just out right kill me before the year ends.

So what is the first post CJ sees upon her release from this latest hospital stay? Why it is Goliath taking a dump all over her for being a joy-sucking moderator on a perceived locking frenzy (my words, not his). I knew the universe wouldn’t disappoint me, more crap for CJ to deal with. So, no, I don’t have to “go looking for problems that aren’t there”, I have no shortage of problems. I am a problem magnet, they find me everywhere I go, in real life and online.

So this is how my posting has been going lately: get thrown in the hospital, recover from real life crap, come back to forum to deal with all the forum crap that occurs during absence. Rinse, Wash, Repeat. Has CJ gone mad with her moderating all at once, locking every thread she can just for the fun of it? Nope just playing forum catch up, and I really am tired of playing this game. There are certainly no winners. Just once I would like to come back to a problem-free forum after a hospital stay. Is it really too much to ask? Don’t bother answering this one people, I know it is too much to ask.

Well, how do we fix the forum problems, without myself and the other mods coming off as forum kill joys? I’m honestly open to any and all suggestions at this point. I have tried everything I can think of here. I have begged, pleaded, threatened, and warned (as Goliath stated this doesn’t work on anyone past high school age). I even tried the not locking threads, but splitting the problem parts out method. That was such a rousing success, yes? Nope, an epic failure on all levels and a colossal waste of my time. No one was happy with that one. So how do problem threads get resolved then? Do we leave them open to become knock-down, drag-out fights between members? Nope, that doesn’t work either, (while fun for me, not so much for those who accidentally get sucked into mess) far too many people get upset with this option. Emails and Pms demanding thread closure come in every two minutes. We could try suspending and banning members every time a complaint is received, no that wouldn’t work either, the only member left would be “Lee” who never posted a single word after signing up. Well that leaves us with the dreaded forum lock. To lock or not to lock that is the question. A perfect solution? Not even close. Unfortunately, it is the only practical solution left at this time, one that I personally hate. That’s alright though, I will take one for the team and be the forum kill joy. After all I am already knee deep in the crap of the universe, no need for everyone to get crap on their boots. Though who knows, maybe, just maybe tomorrow will be the day the universe resets itself and there will be no more forum problems. Aw hell, who am I trying to kid, I will go get the shovel and wait for more crap to appear.

With that fellow members, I must end my post on a sad, sad note. I am ashamed to admit that I am now forced to give myself a warning (it sucks to be a mod sometimes):
CJ you are guilty of the further derailing of a thread and for the use of foul language. Get the thread back on-topic or I will be forced to report you to Luke, and to recommend a one week suspension.

*Hangs Head in Shame*…………….

*Moderator note: All joking aside, I am being completely serious on the warning to myself. I will probably regret this post in the morning, when the pain meds wear off.*


*Side note: just to clear the air, I never said you made a personal attack, Goliath, I said you came dangerously close to making one. There is a difference, a personal attack is made purposely to inflict pain on another member, going for their throat so to speak. Coming dangerously close to a personal attack is inflicting pain whether intentional or unintentional on another member without outwardly making a personal attack. One can get you suspended, the other cannot. I received complaints about that comment specifically, and they weren’t from the person it was directed at. The complaint being that it looked like a personal attack. I sided with you in this case, as it was not an outright personal attack. It’s in that grey area that it could be taken either way, depending on how the comment is read. It is also that grey area that makes moderating so frustrating, and what puts me into that damned if I do, damned if I don’t scenario. Someone is inevitably going to hate the judgment call. In this case, no one gets to be happy, as no one got the call they wanted. If you feel I dropped the ball on this one, that is fine, contact Luke and link him to this thread. If he thinks I made a bad call, I will publicly apologize and remove that part of my post. I will be more than happy to discuss this further with you through pm or email if you need me to.

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I now return this thread back to the regularly scheduled programming. Next on the Wonderful World of Disney: The Disney Essence.

[Dr Frankenollie]

Wow; I've never seen the human side of CJ before. Your long post generated a great amount of sympathy from me (I hope you become a lot more fortunate before the year is over), yet also was wittily, humorously written. Before now, I never truly appreciated how hard you work on this forum, and you most certainly don't have to hang your head in shame. Thus, for all your hard work as a Moderator, I think you deserve a virtual round of applause:

[Disney's Divinity]

Yes, she does. Especially considering what she's had to put up with.



To be on-topic: I don't believe in a Disney essence, and I never have. I just like animated films.

[Disney Duster]

CJ, I am so, so, so, so, so sorry to hear about aaaallll that has happened to you! And all that happening to someone as nice and great as you?!?!!! Well, thanks for letting us know, actually, because I think it did help us to understand more and I think it will add to some kind of peace. It sounds like locking threads is the best option, except that I actually thought removing problem posts would have worked if the problem-post thread hadn't been locked so I had nowhere to commend on that offending post which, well, I'm sorry I broke rules with myself. Maybe those actually could work in the future.

PS. I hate the dog for attacking you but love that you called him Kujo! LOL!

PPS. I hope things do get waaay better for you. They just have to now! They freakin' have to!

The_Iceflash, I don't think I can thank you enough for how you have time and time again been concerned about my treatment on this forum and tried to defend me, too. I thank you very much, but I can also assure you that even though sometimes I do feel like it's me against so many, I am fine, at least this and the religion thread have been fine so far. But thank you. You've been really kind.

Disney'sDivinity, I must say you sadden me. What if I said the Disney essence is just the Disney identity, the kind of things Walt imagined in his mind, or the thing that makes, say, Disney's version of The Little Mermaid different (and better) than other animated film versions?

Milojthatch, thanks for what you said, except, well, if this does catch your eye, my main arguing points now are: There are some traditional "things in the past" we know Walt always, always had his foot in so to speak, and those were the character backgrounds (like if they're royal, commoner, magic or ordinary) and the titles being exactly or almost exactly the original ones.

Dr Frankenollie, there are three possibilities: either you are wrong in your definition of a character background, I am wrong in that, or a character background is just too subjective a word anyway. But what I meant was whether characters were commoners, nobility, royalty, magical/supernatural, or ordinary. Roger stayed a commoner, he still kept that kind of background. And it's more than just "who your parents are", the sense of being, say, royalty or magical makes a feel for the character, it is one thing that adds to their idenitity, who they are. At least it can and it certainly does in many Disney films, so many Walt ones. Would Aurora move as perfectly and elegantly as she did if she wasn't really a born princess, for instance?

As for Hercules, there are two things: when I was young and my mother told me about how Hera originally hated Hercules and wasn't his real mother before we saw the movie, I actually watched the movie seeing her as not being his real mother but just accepting him anyway. Maybe he really was botn of Zeuz and another? There is nothing in the film that outright proves Hera couldn't have just been acting as his real mother.

The second thing is that by Hercules drinking the potion, that is also how he becomes a demi-god! So that is also keeping his character background!

DisneyAnimation88, did you miss how I tried to compromise by saying Flynn could be a prince that left his home to become a thief, so then he could be a thief still in the movie? That was an example of me compromising, because I didn't want to do that at first. So now will you please try for me, too?

And I know it's not just trying to please me, because I do think it's neat to have a thief and a lost princess and a magic gold flower from the sun. It is to please the tradition of Walt Disney which has been around since the company became what it was. That is what it is meant for, not just me. You do know other fans have complained, too right, including some here? I am just the most vocal, but others have written about it, a good example being the "Your version of Rapunzel" thread.

Also, I did say at one point that Walt never made major changes, but if you want, I will say I was wrong. I will say Walt made big changes. That should finally make people happy even though I swear I admitted that arguments ago. The reason I probably didn't seem to admit it because they were big changes but they still weren't as big as...

He still didn't make the same kind of changes Tangled made, and Tangled is still the most changed Disney film from the original source material. When even one site agreed with me on this, I think it is reasonable to see this one as true, that we can agree on it, but at least I know I'm not the only one who sees it. This is an example: The hunting tiger villain who thinks himself like a king of the jungle but has a lame leg and is laughed at becomes the hunting tiger villain who thinks he is like a king of the jungle but everyone in the jungle also thinks that in the Walt Disney version. Now, in Tangled, a traveling prince who goes to Rapunzel's tower to be with his love becomes a thieving bandit who goes to Rapunzel's tower to hide in the "new Disney" version. Now I think ya see what I mean. And remember, I still would be willing to compromise and have him be a prince, but have that exploring bandit-like personality or whatever, or even become a thief, then back to a prince by the end as the film goes.

Anyway, everyone didn't answer this question: Which would be more right: keeping the things Walt kept in all his films, or doing whatever they want?

You invented a third option around it instead. :/

And remember one more thing: In order to make a Disney film, you would have to at least have seen some films from Disney's past to know what a Disney film even is or is like.

[DisneyAnimation88]

DisneyAnimation88, did you miss how I tried to compromise by saying Flynn could be a prince that left his home to become a thief, so then he could be a thief still in the movie? That was an example of me compromising, because I didn't want to do that at first. So now will you please try for me, too?

No I didn't; did you miss me saying I don't want anything in Tangled to be changed as I like it exactly the way it is? Because of that I don't see why I have to compromise here. If there were things in Tangled that I didn't like then I might agree with you but I don't.

You do know other fans have complained, too right, including some here?

Yes I'm well aware of that and I respect their opinions. But I've also seen a lot of people praise Tangled so I don't see how that point solves anything.

When even one site agreed with me on this, I think it is reasonable to see this one as true, that we can agree on it, but at least I know I'm not the only one who sees it.

So because another person on the internet expressed an opinion the same as your's , that makes your's true?

Now, in Tangled, a traveling prince who goes to Rapunzel's tower to be with his love becomes a thieving bandit who goes to Rapunzel's tower to hide in the "new Disney" version.

If the alternative to the Disney version is a prince sitting in a tower and doing very little, as in the original fairy tale, then I'll take the Disney version every day of the week.

Anyway, everyone didn't answer this question: Which would be more right: keeping the things Walt kept in all his films, or doing whatever they want?

So basically, what I'm getting here is that you would rather Disney make terrible films as long as they do it how they THINK Walt might have, seen as he died almost fifty years ago and so we'll never have any way of knowing, than to be creative and original and make the films that they want to make they way they want to make them? After all, the Katzenberg era, a group of young, ambitious directors and animators, took liberties with the fairytales they adapted and the result was some of the most successful animated Disney films of all time. Personally, I see similarities between the Disney of today and those years of the Renaissance when animation at Disney seemed refreshed and the future seemed exciting and full of possibilities.

You invented a third option around it instead. :/

Yes, because I don't agree with what you said. I didn't "invent a third option", I gave my opinion on the matter.

And remember one more thing: In order to make a Disney film, you would have to at least have seen some films from Disney's past to know what a Disney film even is or is like.

Well I realise that so I don't see the point you're trying to make here. I would have thought that that would be kind of obvious to anyone.

[Dr Frankenollie]

Bump. I'll reply to Duster tomorrow when I have more time on my hands.

[Jackoleen]

Dear Disney Enthusiasts,

XXX!

[ajmrowland]

You love to close; it's all you ever do anymore!

You know why it is all I ever do anymore? I will tell you why, it is because moderating comes before my personal posting. That is the responsibility I took on when I signed up for the job. And it is a suck-all- the- life out you job. One where I am damned if I do, and damned if I don’t. I can’t make everyone happy all the time, that is never going to happen. There will always be someone who will think I made a poor judgment call on any given discussion I make. Thankfully, I don’t have to answer to anyone, but Luke. And I have always said, “If you are unhappy with my moderation, take it up with Luke directly.” I’m not perfect, I make mistakes.

I don’t have an endless amount of time to devote to posting on the forum. I have had a very limited amount of time each day for posting. The sad thing is, by the time I get through answering the pms and emails I receive daily, there is no time for me to post the about the fun things anymore. There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t have to take care of a thread that is spiraling out of control, one that is going wildly off-topic, a forum member who has broken one of the rules, or someone has inadvertently hurt someone’s feelings. So yeah, I get to be the lame mod who sucks all the joy out of the forums, instead of the easy going poster who at one time got to participate in actual discussions.

Oh I know what some of you are thinking, “There goes CJ ranting about the lack of her precious time again.” (some of you are now scratching your heads on that one, yes people I am female) In a perfect world, I would have the time I so desperately crave to get back to the easy going poster. Unfortunately, a perfect world doesn’t exist, real life gets in the way sometimes. Real life is full of time sucking responsibilities (such as a job) and unexpected health problems. Some of you may have noticed a few stretches of time, where I disappeared from the forums. I wasn’t taking a break or being a laid back mod, who let everything slide.

No, those periods of time were spent in and out of the hospital. At the first of the year, I experienced the wonderful joys of stress. Stress so severe, that it led to sky high blood pressure, and the possibilities of having a heart attack or stroke before I turn 30. No sooner than I get that under control, then I get the ultimate crappy birthday present of a leg tumor. Yah Me! A leg tumor that hurt like hell, just what I always wanted. The disappearing act I pulled recently was for my surgery to remove said annoying tumor, and for me to recover. Oh, but wait there is more fun to be had in medical hell. Lucky CJ, gets to spend one more night in the hospital, after all what does one more disaster matter at this point. The universe throws in a curveball she never saw coming, CJ gets attacked by a dog yesterday. Not just any dog mind you, no her neighbor’s aggressive ass pit bull, who surprises the hell out of everyone by jumping the four foot high fence into her backyard. What was CJ doing when said dog takes a chunk out of her? Why she is having a conversation with said neighbor. Was CJ touching the fence at any time? Nope, CJ was a good foot away from the fence when Kujo decided he wanted to snack on a boob. That's right folks, Kujo took a chunk out of my boob. Nice to see the Universe has a sense of humor. Kinda makes the leg tumor not seem so bad. So the fun just keeps happening for me, at this rate I will look like Frankenstein’s monster without the need for a costume or make-up by Halloween. Stitches and scars everywhere. Hell, the universe may even tire of screwing with me, and just out right kill me before the year ends.

So what is the first post CJ sees upon her release from this latest hospital stay? Why it is Goliath taking a dump all over her for being a joy-sucking moderator on a perceived locking frenzy (my words, not his). I knew the universe wouldn’t disappoint me, more crap for CJ to deal with. So, no, I don’t have to “go looking for problems that aren’t there”, I have no shortage of problems. I am a problem magnet, they find me everywhere I go, in real life and online.

So this is how my posting has been going lately: get thrown in the hospital, recover from real life crap, come back to forum to deal with all the forum crap that occurs during absence. Rinse, Wash, Repeat. Has CJ gone mad with her moderating all at once, locking every thread she can just for the fun of it? Nope just playing forum catch up, and I really am tired of playing this game. There are certainly no winners. Just once I would like to come back to a problem-free forum after a hospital stay. Is it really too much to ask? Don’t bother answering this one people, I know it is too much to ask.

Well, how do we fix the forum problems, without myself and the other mods coming off as forum kill joys? I’m honestly open to any and all suggestions at this point. I have tried everything I can think of here. I have begged, pleaded, threatened, and warned (as Goliath stated this doesn’t work on anyone past high school age). I even tried the not locking threads, but splitting the problem parts out method. That was such a rousing success, yes? Nope, an epic failure on all levels and a colossal waste of my time. No one was happy with that one. So how do problem threads get resolved then? Do we leave them open to become knock-down, drag-out fights between members? Nope, that doesn’t work either, (while fun for me, not so much for those who accidentally get sucked into mess) far too many people get upset with this option. Emails and Pms demanding thread closure come in every two minutes. We could try suspending and banning members every time a complaint is received, no that wouldn’t work either, the only member left would be “Lee” who never posted a single word after signing up. Well that leaves us with the dreaded forum lock. To lock or not to lock that is the question. A perfect solution? Not even close. Unfortunately, it is the only practical solution left at this time, one that I personally hate. That’s alright though, I will take one for the team and be the forum kill joy. After all I am already knee deep in the crap of the universe, no need for everyone to get crap on their boots. Though who knows, maybe, just maybe tomorrow will be the day the universe resets itself and there will be no more forum problems. Aw hell, who am I trying to kid, I will go get the shovel and wait for more crap to appear.

With that fellow members, I must end my post on a sad, sad note. I am ashamed to admit that I am now forced to give myself a warning (it sucks to be a mod sometimes):
CJ you are guilty of the further derailing of a thread and for the use of foul language. Get the thread back on-topic or I will be forced to report you to Luke, and to recommend a one week suspension.

*Hangs Head in Shame*…………….

*Moderator note: All joking aside, I am being completely serious on the warning to myself. I will probably regret this post in the morning, when the pain meds wear off.*


*Side note: just to clear the air, I never said you made a personal attack, Goliath, I said you came dangerously close to making one. There is a difference, a personal attack is made purposely to inflict pain on another member, going for their throat so to speak. Coming dangerously close to a personal attack is inflicting pain whether intentional or unintentional on another member without outwardly making a personal attack. One can get you suspended, the other cannot. I received complaints about that comment specifically, and they weren’t from the person it was directed at. The complaint being that it looked like a personal attack. I sided with you in this case, as it was not an outright personal attack. It’s in that grey area that it could be taken either way, depending on how the comment is read. It is also that grey area that makes moderating so frustrating, and what puts me into that damned if I do, damned if I don’t scenario. Someone is inevitably going to hate the judgment call. In this case, no one gets to be happy, as no one got the call they wanted. If you feel I dropped the ball on this one, that is fine, contact Luke and link him to this thread. If he thinks I made a bad call, I will publicly apologize and remove that part of my post. I will be more than happy to discuss this further with you through pm or email if you need me to.

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I now return this thread back to the regularly scheduled programming. Next on the Wonderful World of Disney: The Disney Essence.

i hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but it's even come to the point that some of us have stopped being productive members here.

you know who you are.

[Goliath]

I see that you have an intense fetish for topless Asian women.

Er... what?!

Chairman Mao (There's something sexy about him, especially since he had favorite revolutionary women),

You like Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler, too? Or are you going solely for Asians? Then I can recommend Pol Pot, too.

[Jackoleen]

Dear Disney Enthusiasts,

XXX!

[Super Aurora]

Dear Goliath,

I see that you have an intense fetish for topless Asian women.

Tell me, is that anything like my fetishes for Yul Brynner (He's fairly sexy in some ways), The Emperor from "Mulan" (I've desired him for awhile), Chairman Mao (There's something sexy about him, especially since he had favorite revolutionary women), a former college classmate, several guys whom I've not yet met (I'm going to be their trainer), a deceased Chinese merchant from the 1800s (I sometimes frequent his store, and I like to imagine that I am back in the 1800s with him), etc.?

Thank you in advance for your reply.

[Goliath]

You've gotta admit that your avatar begs a few questions.

A straight guy who likes good-looking women begs questions? Really?

Oooh, now, if we're gonna play THAT game, then we'd have to question every woman who melted over George W. Bush (The Current War), Bill Clinton (The Chinese Embassy was bombed during about 1999), Juan Peron, etc.

I'd certainly question any woman who fell for George Bush, but that would have got nothing to do with his disastrous policies. I'd just wonder why a woman would fall for a woman who couldn't formulate a coherent sentence if his life depended on it.

Oh, and you are slightly off for comparing a mediocre president like Clinton who made some bad decisions with a dictator who committed genocide and let over 50 million people die. But only slightly...

[Jackoleen]

Dear Disney Enthusiasts,

XXX!

[PatrickvD]

The Disney essence debate has finally arrived at genocide...

[Goliath]

I was trying to say that the woman from your avatar appears to be both Asian and topless, and that the image begged the question "Does he have a fetish for topless Asian women?".

Why? If I replace this picture with a picture of a squirrel, do you think I have "an intense fetish for squirrels"?

*Of course* I like topless women! I'm a guy; that's a given! And whether they're Asian or Arab or African or Caucasian... I embrace all races and cultures!