Disney Treasures and censorship

Son of the Morning · Post by **Son of the Morning** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:38 pm

Maerj wrote:Anyway, the editing on these DVDs is very disturbing since they were not supposed to have any cuts.

Psh. Like 'Fantasia,' hm? I guess I should have canned my optimism when I first watched the "original, uncut" version of 'Fantasia' on DVD...

Ciaobelli · Post by **Ciaobelli** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:09 pm

Yup, that is the thing that I hate the most. False Advertisement.

Maerj · Post by **Maerj** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:13 pm

Son of the Morning wrote:
Maerj wrote:Anyway, the editing on these DVDs is very disturbing since they were not supposed to have any cuts.
Psh. Like 'Fantasia,' hm? I guess I should have canned my optimism when I first watched the "original, uncut" version of 'Fantasia' on DVD...

Oh believe me, we all had a big debate about that business. Few agreed with the decision but most of us were really upset.

I think there should be a new release of Fantasia on DVD. First, a family version that lacks a lot of the stuff kids don't want to see, the explanations, the intermission, etc. More like the other video releases rather than the Roadshow cut. Then of course they should do a totally uncut version for real, so it as a treasure or something. They could throw in uncut versions of other films too, make it a Disney Uncensored set. Maybe one day?

Ludwig Von Drake · Post by **Ludwig Von Drake** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:07 pm

I agree about the Fantasia editing but I still fervently disagree with most of the treasures "censorships".

The Lizard King · Post by **The Lizard King** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:36 pm

mvealf wrote:No, we have had the original VIDEO as early as 1997. My site doesn't address the sound issue. The sound for those 2 differently animated shorts are SUPPOSED to be different, not the same as they currently exist. The re-made sound says, "I'm the Fuller brush man, I'm working my way through college". He says this in a very dopey sounding voice. The original dialog said something completely different in a Jewish accent. If you notice, the lips don't move correctly to what was being said because he was originally saying something different. That is the lost sound I'm referring to.

Very interesting...

I just looked at both versions of the short and neither of them is synched very well with the same dopey dialog. So, the million-dollar questions are: "What was the original dialog?" and "Does it still exist somewhere?"

Do you have a URL source to back-up what you speak of here? I know that you're very knowledgeable about these sort of matters involving Disney, but I still would like a second concuring opinion.

TLK

mvealf · Post by **mvealf** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:31 am

Maerj wrote:
Son of the Morning wrote: Psh. Like 'Fantasia,' hm? I guess I should have canned my optimism when I first watched the "original, uncut" version of 'Fantasia' on DVD...
Oh believe me, we all had a big debate about that business. Few agreed with the decision but most of us were really upset.

I think there should be a new release of Fantasia on DVD.

Several of the censored Fantasia scenes can be watched from my webpage at:
http://www.geocities.com/disney_laserdiscs/fant.htm

Class316 · Post by **Class316** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:18 pm

I've seen them before but when I try to get them:

You are looking at dis_fantasia's briefcase.

This folder is currently empty.

mvealf · Post by **mvealf** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:21 pm

Class316 wrote:I've seen them before but when I try to get them:
You are looking at dis_fantasia's briefcase.
This folder is currently empty.

Try it again.

Tannerman · Post by **Tannerman** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:05 pm

mvealf wrote:The accused phrase was "F-You", but I think the original dialog was "Sez Who?" not "Sez You". In context, Donald says, "Oh yea, sez who?", then the spring says, "sez I". I guess the English subtitles on the Alice DVD should clarify this.

Hey mvealf, I just pulled out my Alice to check on this. The audio does sound a bit like "Sez You", which would probably explain the sources that list that. However, this might just be one of those goofy circumstances were we don't know what Donald is actually saying because of his unique voice. I do agree with you, however, that "Sez Who?" makes more sense in context, and plan on changing my insert listings accordingly. Unfortunately, the Alice version has no subtitles or closed captions to confirm. Thanks for the help here. I appreciate it.

mvealf · Post by **mvealf** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:59 pm

Tannerman wrote:I do agree with you, however, that "Sez Who?" makes more sense in context, and plan on changing my insert listings accordingly. Unfortunately, the Alice version has no subtitles or closed captions to confirm. Thanks for the help here. I appreciate it.

It is confirmed on the Japanese laserdisc of Mickey Mouse: A Star Is Born, with closed captioning.<p align="center"><img border="0" src="http://www.geocities.com/disney_laserdi ... /CLOCK.JPG" width="435" height="350"></p>

Tannerman · Post by **Tannerman** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:24 pm

mvealf wrote:It is confirmed on the Japanese laserdisc of Mickey Mouse: A Star Is Born, with closed captioning

Awesome. Big time thanks!

mvealf · Post by **mvealf** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:26 pm

The Lizard King wrote:Do you have a URL source to back-up what you speak of here? I know that you're very knowledgeable about these sort of matters involving Disney, but I still would like a second concuring opinion.

On this site, they talk about 4 versions: 1) original 2) original animation with changed sound 3) changed animation with original sound 4) changed animation with changed sound.
http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/years/ ... pigs1.html

deathie mouse · Post by **deathie mouse** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:06 am

mvealf : Thats a great looking laserdisc capture! Since i haven't seen the DVD versions how do the colors compare to that?

Tannerman: I'll have to download the pdf of MMC1 treasure yet again? I can't keep track of which version I have!

And finally, does this mean the Lizard King is now gonna track down the original sound?

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:41 am

mvealf wrote:That scene is still present on the DVD, it was only censored on The Disney Channel. There is exactly 1 cartoon on MMILC and 1 cartoon on the Silly Symphonies tin that has been changed. However, both of those cartoons can be found uncensored on other Disney DVDs.

Does these mean Donald DOES pull guns out in the two cartoons in question? If so, I'm gonna have to go back and watch them again to make sure!

Class316 · Post by **Class316** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:36 am

Mayhem wrote:Does these mean Donald DOES pull guns out in the two cartoons in question? If so, I'm gonna have to go back and watch them again to make sure!

Donald pulls guns, yes.

Tannerman · Post by **Tannerman** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 12:03 pm

deathie mouse wrote:Tannerman: I'll have to download the pdf of MMC1 treasure yet again? I can't keep track of which version I have!

You aren't the only one!

I laminate my personal set of inserts, so it's a lot more work for me to update those.

I'm seriously thinking of adding version numbers to these things in the future. They are always evolving, so you can never say they are "complete". The discovery of "Sez who?" is evidence of that!

I uploaded the revisions last night. Here's the changes by Insert # for your reference:

Insert 1 - Changed typo on "Brave Little Tailor" (I had it spelled "Taylor" for some odd reason... just noticed that recently)

Insert 6 - Updates to the whole "Clock Cleaners" thing.

Insert 7 - Again, fixed spelling on "Brave Little Tailor"

Insert 8 - Nothing big, but I added a little more explaination to the Easter Egg writeup.

The rest of the inserts are unchanged when compared to those you probably already have.

deathie mouse · Post by **deathie mouse** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:34 pm

Tannerman, I just downloaded them. I see even Disneyland USA ends in 1, so is that your newly resetted new start? If not,

start naming them something like mickeymouseinlivingcolor1v1.4.zip (and mickeymouseinlivingcolour1v1.4.zip) right now!

(I get the PAL ones for when I get the R2 versions

)

On the Incomplete goofy one you should put a list of all goofy that's not in there. A friend of mine bought it thinking he was gonna get all Goofyes and when I showed him the list of what's not included, he ended very frustrated

mmmm maybe that's not such a good idea

mvealf · Post by **mvealf** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:08 pm

deathie mouse wrote:mvealf : Thats a great looking laserdisc capture! Since i haven't seen the DVD versions how do the colors compare to that?

I think the laserdisc sets of Donald Duck: A Star Is Born and Mickey Mouse: A Star Is Born have much richer colors. The DVDs seem to have very good detail, but the colors are much more pastel looking. I prefer the richer colors of the laserdiscs, which is more accurate to the original in my opinion.

Tannerman · Post by **Tannerman** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:19 pm

deathie mouse wrote:start naming them something like mickeymouseinlivingcolor1v1.4.zip (and mickeymouseinlivingcolour1v1.4.zip) right now!

If you note, all the zip files end in "1". Not really a version number though, just a naming convention. I'll either put numbers in the filename or include a READ ME text file that has updates on versions. We'll see moving forward. Thanks for the feedback, however. I knew version control was going to be an issue, and now that others are concerned about it, I should probably do something to fix it

deathie mouse · Post by **deathie mouse** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:57 pm

Tannerman wrote:If you note, all the zip files end in "1".

But, what are you gonna do when you do the MMLC2?

mickeymouseinlivingcolor2.1.zip?

mmm.. maybe you can put the version number in the web site next to the infos there, or the date you update it (then it's up to the downloading person to check if he has the older one.)

Anyway many thanks for your inserts, cus they kinda make up me getting some of the treasures w/o tins (I just found out they are gonna be delivered to me today btw!)

Now, all i need is good quality PDF's of the missing Litographs... (hint hint

)

mvealf wrote:I think the laserdisc sets of Donald Duck: A Star Is Born and Mickey Mouse: A Star Is Born have much richer colors. The DVDs seem to have very good detail, but the colors are much more pastel looking. I prefer the richer colors of the laserdiscs, which is more accurate to the original in my opinion.

I hate it when that happens!

(especially since i don't have the Laserdiscs in question

)

I just discussed about that and some of the possible reasons for it in the "what movie needs a restoration" thread.

Me loves original Technicolor look very much

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