DisneyAnimation88 wrote:like when you say "the heads of Disney should all get togther and figure out Disney essence or the Disney way". Those people know what they're doing, they don't need advice from anyone on this forum.
Well, first of all, their movies have failed for like, how long now, so they really do seem to need advice. But I am not talking about them needing advice to make good movies. I am just saying, maybe there is a way to make the movies more Disney, and yet still be creative and good. I think you and I can agree that their is always the possibility maybe that could work, don't automatically dismiss it. Please.
DisneyAnimation88 wrote:Point out whatever you want, I completely diagree with you.
Fine, then I will point out are facts: Walt never made a DAC that was a book's modern twisted spin on a fairy tale, and the Renaissance films still were fairy tales set in the original times and lands with the original backgrounds of the main characters, and that is not The Princess and the Frog or Tangled.
As for the rest, you are constantly trying to say how Walt did different films, while I am constantly trying to point out how his films had similarities. You say there was no other Disney film like Fantasia, but that is a yes and no. For one, Sleeping Beauty is like Fantasia in being adapted from classical music, focusing more on music and visual art, even having long stretches of no dialogue. But other than that, Fantasia was still about classic tales, myths, and legends, nature, anthropomorphic animals, and magic, like Pinocchio, Jungle Book, Snow White, 101 Dalmatians, and all the rest of Walt's pictures. So basically, they are both different
and similar. So Disney's future movies should be just like those, different, but also have those same similarities, stories
like those classic tales and things
like magic, animals, or nature.
Goliath, no, I just mean that as Robin Willaims got older he probably got dirtier as people do. And did Eric Goldberg say it was "very hard" to find clean material, or he was just looking for clean material? And remember, this is just what one man judged as "clean". And I already told you it's fine that he used adult language, as did Walt himself. But Walt and Willaims never did stuff like Sarah Silverman or George Carlin, that is where you can see the difference.
Disney will never be Pixar. Otherwise they wouldn't still have seperate names. No matter how many times you or anyone else says that Disney is Pixar, it will never be true, for infinity. My post saying Disney will never be Pixar is the truth for infinity. I know very well that sounded very much like a kid, but I am at a Disney forum where Walt encouraged people to be like children, and I said what I wanted to.
At least we can agree that Chicken Little was probably not as good as any Pixar film, but that was probably one of the Disney-magicless films. I have yet to see it though to fully judge. Lilo & Stitch misses some Disney essence in some areas. So I'm not against the whole thing if it was fixed. I was against the whole thing, now I'm not. I did indeed change my stance there, but you should be happy about that one. But as the film is, it's not fully fit to be Disney I say, not enough Disney essence, sorry. So there's the clarification.
By the way, it was mentioned that Disney bought Doug in the 90's. That's right, the 90's, when I grew up. And when Disney bought that Nickeleodeon show, I thought it was weird, and I kinda thought it was wrong, but I didn't have any thought to speak up about it like I do now on a forum. So that is one clue that this isn't all nostalgia for me.
But if you keep saying what I say is just from nostalgia for me instead of actually respectfully arguing my points, I will keep saying that everything you say is just from your bad past experiences, because basically your saying my thoughts just come from my nostalgic experiences. So if you wanna play ball, we will, and it will be fair game.
EDIT: You know, maybe I won't do that. Instead can we be a little friendlier to each other and you just stop going to the nostalgia claim which tries to devalue anything I say? Pretty please? Just argue with facts or your own opinion alone, no nostalgia mentioning.
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There is no magic formular that only Walt knew, he made films that he wanted to make and in some cases, public percepton of himself apparently prevented him from making other films that he wanted to make. Walt Disney died a long time ago and yet his company is still around and still making films so they've been doing something right in that time. I like that you genuinely seem to think that you know better than people like John Lasseter.
