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John Stewart to Debate Bill O'reilly Over Common

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Jon Stewart has accepted Bill O’Reilly‘s invitation to debate the White House’s decision to invite controversial rapper Common to a poetry event earlier this week.

Stewart will appear on Monday’s “The O’Reilly Factor.”

Last night on his program, O’Reilly announced, “I would like to debate you [Jon Stewart] about the Common situation because it’s important” and later said “I look forward to Mr. Stewart coming on The Factor to discuss.”

Here’s what Stewart had to say about Fox News’s reporting of the White House event on his show Wednesday.
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OH YEAH. This is going be GOOOOOOOODDDDD!



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^HOT!

Edit: If you look, I think that's the only news story that got both conservative and liberal supporters on a web page without attacking each other.
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Time for More Conservative Media Racism!

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I like Jon Stewart, but I think this was a very stupid move. Not because he can't take O'Reilly (he has been on his show before and always made O'Reilly look like an ass --not that it's a hard thing to do), but because this way, Stewart will give more airtime to the very thing he's battling on his show every night: fake controversies and trivial bullshit that media use to fill their airtime instead of reporting real, important stories. By debating O'Reilly, Stewart makes himself an accomplice.
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Last night on his program, O’Reilly announced, “I would like to debate you [Jon Stewart] about the Common situation because it’s important” and later said “I look forward to Mr. Stewart coming on The Factor to discuss.”
Important, really O'Reilly? All the crap we have going on in the World and this important, really? Important for rating maybe, but that is about it.

On another note, I used to watch Jon Stewart all the time. Now, not so much. After his reaction to bin Laden's death and some other things, I don't see him as any different then O'Reilly or Beck or Hannity, just the liberal version of those men. I'm just disappointed that after Stewart who "Rally to Restore Sanity," he did anything but.
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milojthatch wrote:On another note, I used to watch Jon Stewart all the time. Now, not so much. After his reaction to bin Laden's death and some other things, I don't see him as any different then O'Reilly or Beck or Hannity, just the liberal version of those men. I'm just disappointed that after Stewart who "Rally to Restore Sanity," he did anything but.
I don't see why you should equate Stewart with those loudmouths. Yes, Stewart rejoiced in the death of Bin Laden, but he was hardly the only one. I didn't feel sorry for the fucker either. I'm glad he's dead. Stewart did a very emotional, heart-breaking piece on his first show after 9/11. He lives in New York City and he could see the WTC from his apartment. I think his reaction is only natural.
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Saw the interview. it was hilarious. Stewart also brought up Bob Dylin as a argument point which made me thing Goliath would have a boner hearing Stewart mention his name.
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I'm happy Osama's dead too, dont get me wrong, but the burial at sea......no human should disrespect his enemies even when they disrespect him.

That said, I missed the show. :(
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ajmrowland wrote:
That said, I missed the show. :(
it's on youtube.
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Goliath wrote:I like Jon Stewart, but I think this was a very stupid move. Not because he can't take O'Reilly (he has been on his show before and always made O'Reilly look like an ass --not that it's a hard thing to do), but because this way, Stewart will give more airtime to the very thing he's battling on his show every night: fake controversies and trivial bullshit that media use to fill their airtime instead of reporting real, important stories. By debating O'Reilly, Stewart makes himself an accomplice.
I think pointing out the stupidity of the entire "controversy" on O'Reilly's program is more helpful than pointing it out on your own. Think of it as this: if Disney released a DVD/Blu-ray that's faulty, does it make more sense to complain about it here, on your own turf, or to direct your complaints directly to Disney?
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KubrickFan wrote:I think pointing out the stupidity of the entire "controversy" on O'Reilly's program is more helpful than pointing it out on your own. Think of it as this: if Disney released a DVD/Blu-ray that's faulty, does it make more sense to complain about it here, on your own turf, or to direct your complaints directly to Disney?
But by discussing the whole thing on O'Reilly's show, Stewart is again devoting airtime to the non-controversy. If you're opposed to it being treated as a serious issue, as Stewart is (and most sane persons are), then why be a part of it?
Super Aurora wrote:Saw the interview. it was hilarious. Stewart also brought up Bob Dylin as a argument point which made me thing Goliath would have a boner hearing Stewart mention his name.
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For those who still want to waste their time on seeing two pundits argue over a bullshit issue that doesn't impact anybody in any way:

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Goliath wrote: But by discussing the whole thing on O'Reilly's show, Stewart is again devoting airtime to the non-controversy. If you're opposed to it being treated as a serious issue, as Stewart is (and most sane persons are), then why be a part of it?
I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you.

First of all, Stewart clearly doesn't think it's a serious issue at all. Second, by not mentioning it at all, Stewart pobably feels that the people at Fox News (and other networks as well) just keep inflating the issue. So, by going on a show on the Fox News network, and telling that it's a ridiculous issue, he thinks that hopefully some people will listen. That's probably naive, but still, he keeps trying.
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I watched it after all (damn you, Super A.!), to see how Stewart would insert Dylan into the discussion. O'Reilly claimed Common shouldn't have been allowed a visit the white house, because he "championed" a convicted cop killer. Stewart corrected him and stated Common simply believed she was innocent. Then he brought up Bob Dylan, who performed at the White House for Obama and his family, yet he also wrote the song 'Hurricane', one of his biggest hits, about heavyweight champion Rubin Carter, who was convicted for triple homicide --Dylan believed he had been framed by the police and DA and that's expressed explicitly in the song.

O'Reilly then quickly changed his argument. He now said Common was not only in the wrong for "championing" the convicted cop killer, but also for visiting her in prison. Stewart pointed out his sudden shift in argumentation, but failed to point out that Dylan had visited Carter several times in prison. Also, on the same record as 'Hurricane' (Desire, 1976), there's also a 12 minute song called 'Joey', which glorifies maffia killer Joey Gallo.
The song treats Gallo sympathetically, despite his violent history. Gallo had been accused of at least two murders and had been convicted of several felonies. But in the song he is given credit for distrusting guns, being reluctant to kill hostages and for shielding his family when he was being killed, and makes him appear to be an unwilling participant in the crimes of his henchmen, thus not deserving his fate.

As a result of the sympathetic treatment, critics such as Lester Bangs harshly criticized Dylan and the song. Bangs described it as "repellent romanticist bullshit." However, Dylan claims that he always thought of Gallo as a kind of hero and an underdog fighting against the elements. Besides his status as an outsider, Dylan was likely also drawn to the fact that Gallo's best friends in prison were black men. In addition Gallo was able to gain sympathy in artistic circles by passing himself off as a cultured person victimized by the "system".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_%28Bob_Dylan_song%29

Dylan had previously glorified Wild West oulaw John Wesley Hardin in the song 'John Wesley Harding' on the album of the same title (1967).
John Wesley Hardin (May 26, 1853—August 19, 1895) was an outlaw and gunfighter of the American Old West. He was born in Bonham, Fannin County, Texas. When Hardin went to prison in 1878, he claimed to have killed 42 men, but a considerably lesser number of these killings have been documented as actually attributable to him. Hardin's criminal career resulted not only in the deaths of his victims but also in the deaths of his brother Joe and two cousins who were hanged by a lynch mob seeking revenge for a Hardin killing.

Folk rocker Bob Dylan named his 1967 album John Wesley Harding after the outlaw, albeit the name was misspelled. The title track depicted Hardin as "a friend to the poor" who "was never known to hurt an honest man.
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On last monday's episode of The Daily Show, Stewart showed footage of Fox News' Mike Huckabee, who greeted on his show Ted Nugent and even played a bit of guitar with him. Then Stewart showed footage of Nugent at a concert, where he draws a (fake?) gun and screams, cheered on by the audience: "why don't you suck on this, Obama?" and then he pretends to fire the gun. He then continues with: "Ride this one, Hillary!", while the crowd goes wild.

So why are the good people on Fox News happy to invite a singer who's advocating violence against public officials, but are they doing everything they can to take a rapper's lyrics out of context to make them look appear to be the exact opposite of what the rapper meant, turning a message of peace into a message of violence? And why are the good people on Fox News upset Common got invited to the White House over his lyrics and prison visits, but didn't say a word when Dylan went?














































































Common is black.
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