the new Disney movies are dissapointing

[MisterMalificent]

I loved the golden age of Disney " Aladin, Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Lion King even Mulan and Tarzan were good , but recently the disney movies are dissapointing

Treasure Planet and Atlantis feel more like home video movies and not actual Disney classics

Emperors New groove was the best, it was hillarious and great but it wasnt classic " Disney" classic

Brother Bear? Lilo and Stich? Home on the Range?? these arent classics. these arent magic

thank god Disney keeps releasing its classics on DVD or else they would be forgotten.

I hope the next 2-D feature is a classic Disney movie, what do you guys think it should be?

[TheZue]

First of all Welcome to the board:)

I gotta say I agree with you on most of it except Lilo and Stich. A lot of people weren't fans of that movie, but I loved it. It made me cry like crazy when I was pregnant .

And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Disney isn't making anymore 2-D movies. Home on the Range will be their last if the existing plan stays in place. I just home the 3-D movies that they are working on become classics again.

[MickeyMousePal]

Welcome to the forum MisterMalificent.

The only reason why Treasure Planet and Atlantis: The Lost Empire did horrible is because it was PG-13 and Disney was trying to grab a teenager audience. Lilo and Stitch, Brother Bear, Emperor's New Groove and Home on the Range were all ok.
I really liked Lilo and Stitch and Brother Bear very, very much.
In my opinion Home on the Range were bad but not that bad like Treasure Planet.

[Leonia]

I thought Treasure Planet was a pretty cool movie.

But the reason why it tanked was because Disney tried to market the film to teenage boys.

[Yuki]

It really is a shame that the newer Disney movie's aren't that great...
Teacher's Pet, I think, was one of their worst.

Although, I actually enjoyed Treasure Planet very much. I thought that the songs were good, the animation was great, over all, I really enjoyed it.
Lilo and Stitch was another one that I enjoyed, though it's not one of my favorites, I still liked it very much.

Home on the Range...I was a little dissapointed with, I thought that maybe Disney would take extra care on HotR since it was the last 2-D movie...but, I guess not.

I'd have to say that Finding Nemo is probably the best Disney film that has been made recently.

[DreamerQ18]

I loved the golden age of Disney " Aladin, Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Lion King even Mulan and Tarzan were good , but recently the disney movies are dissapointing

Wow you have just pinned pointed the answer to the question I have been asking myself for a long time what happen to Disney movies .I mean I think they are great and all but something had been missing it was the magic...wow I am just baffled. But over all dont think the movies have been that bad Atlantis and Treasuer Planet were okay, Emperor's New groove was funy. And well I might be biased here but I totaly lvioed Lilo and Stitch great movie Stich ROCKS. Brother Bear totaly won me over and I think it was a movie with great potential. And hoem on the Range was funny I mean they were cows and they said Heffer in the movie which is one of my favorite phrases to say Lol (Dont ask)
But I think Disney will somtime in the futre find that spark again or at least I hope so.

[STASHONE]

I loved the golden age of Disney " Aladin, Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Lion King even Mulan and Tarzan

[AwallaceUNC]

I more or less agree with you on everything except Treasure Planet, which I think is Disney's best since The Lion King. Marketing for the film was absimal, though.

Oh, and TP and Atlantis were both PG, not PG-13.

-Aaron

[TheZue]

I think the saddest part of all this is how much the animation advanced during this time of "mediocre movies". I watched The Little Mermaid and Tarzan yesterday and the animation is soooooo good in Tarzan, while the little Mermaids was good...just not amazing by today's standards. Brother Bear's animation was excellent too. If they could just have gotten the story lines in place they could have had another good run like they did in the 1990's.

[Kram Nebuer]

I think part of the problem that the more recent films don't seem too magical are because of the myriad of animated films there are now. In the 1950's there weren't many other Animation studios producing fantastic animated musicals and films like Disney had. Even at the beginning of the 1990's, I can hardly recall many other animated films that were released to compete with BATB and Aladdin. Also with DVD (which began getting popular after Tarzan's release) and VHS (which was still quite new in the late 80's and early 90's), the public is being exposed to all kinds of things from the past and present. The new trend of CGI movies and special effects in live action movies take some of the thunder away from the glamour of animation.

Also the animated television shows aimed for kids makes adults think that animated movies are just for kids. Well, they're not! They are just movies that happen to star drawings and ink/paint rather than people. Mulan and Tarzan would be awesome if they were live action and most definitely not considered a kiddie movie. Atlantis and Treasure Planet were also spectacular films, though they weren't "huggable" like Lilo and Stitch. They looked like moving comic book characters. They had great concepts, plots, musical scores, and voice actors. It's sad that people think they're bad and won't see it b/c the box office said it didn't succeed. I mean look at their competition when they were released. Harry Potter had come out around the same time Treasure Planet did. And I think Shrek came out the before Atlantis did and was still in theaters.

Well that's all just my opinion. Getting down from the soapbox now...

[pinkrenata]

I have to laugh whenever somebody refers to the late 80s through early 90s as Disney's "golden age." You do realize that Disney existed before The Little Mermaid, right?

[AwallaceUNC]

I've heard it referred to as the 3rd Golden Age of Disney, though I'm not sure exactly where the first and second begin.

-Aaron

[Ludwig Von Drake]

I would consider their fist golden age around Snow White, their second with either Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland and their third with The Little Mermaid though I don't completely agree with it my self.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

What LvD says makes sense - though there's hardly any doubt in my mind that THE Golden Age of Disney was in the 30s-early 40s.

[fairuza]

emperor's new groove is one of the best disney animated movies ever.

[Mushu2083]

Hey Lilo and Stitch was good! Brother Bear was decent, wasn't the best movie ever made but decent. Kept my attention span from wandering. I LOVE The Emperor's New Groove. I heard that the reason Treasure Planet didn't do so well in theaters was because the was absolutely NO advertising for the movie. There were no trailers to watch on tv unless you bought Monsters Inc on DVD. Plus the movie was scarier than your usual Disney animated movie.

[Glen_J]

My 2 cents worth is.....

While some of the you have already posted that some of the recent films haven't had that "Disney Magic" however I think it's just becoming that little bit more difficult to compete in this now very difficult market. Disney used to stand out for it's innovation in animation but this has slowed down over the last few years.

First and foremost Disney have always been a company that push the technological boundaries. First animation with sound, first animation with color, first to develop stereophonic sound with Fantasia, first to develop the multiplane camera, first to develop that zerox type line look with 101 Dalmations, first to make a camera move around a 3d space within 2D animation as in the ballroom scene in Beauty and the Beast. There was always room to improve. With 2D animation now there's not alot of ground left to break.

SO that leaves us with movies that should have tight stories and great animation and I think many of the recent releases have had that.

Mulan - fantastic story with beautiful animation and some good gags. Eddie Murphy was particularly good in this and I would say got his gig on Shrek based in part on his performance in this film.

Tarzan - Great songs, tight story, great themes and fantastic animation. The Vine surfing scenes in particular were fantastic and backgrounds were lovely.

Emperors New Groove - A bit light story wise but great humour from Kronk in particular, made this fun and light but not a true classic. Animation was ok but not outstanding in part because it had the fast paced TV type look to it which is not something you see from Disney's feature animation all that often. In fact I think this film started that minimalistic comic type look that followed with Atlantis and Treasure Planet. It was quite unique in how it told the story

Atlantis - Really enjoyed this one but once again the animation was not outstanding but was solid. Voice casting in this was great and the story solid enough and in Kida we have one of the great babes of the Disney world. She'd be second only to Belle for me ( Hubba Hubba !)

Lilo and Stitch - Once again this was light and fun with a similar animation style to Emperors New Grove. Great music but the story lost itself a bit towards the end. Still a fun movie though.

Treasure Planet - I thought this was relly well done and some of the Animation was superb. Great story and was probably pitched above that kiddie level. My 7 and 4 year olds aren't too keen on this but I liked it alot.
I liked the music in this too...was quite a surprise hearing rock music in a disney film. Quite brave of the directors I thought.

Brother Bear - Great backgrounds and the animation was pretty good. Story was good too and the music fantastic.

Haven't seen Home on the Range but have to say it didn't do too much for me in the previews I'd seen.

I think Kram Nebuer has it right. It's now the time of the bockbuster movies round the world and these blockbusters have assoted tie-ins with drink manufacturers, Chocolate confectionary companies, spin off PS2 games, and the list goes on. There's alot out there for people to see. Some if it is good (eg Lord of the rings trilogy) and some of it not so good ( Troy) and it's difficult for a studio to compete against all that. All you can do is hope your story and characters are
Right now we are not in a "Golden age" and as I said above technologically there's not much more of the envelope to push as Beauty and te Beast and Aladdin and the Lion Kind did but I think many of the recent films I mentioned above have been under-appreciated.

Just my 2 cents and feel free to comment. Have a nice day everyone.

[stlewis75]

The head of feature animation for a while was a man named Thomas Schumacher, and he's the one who decided that "Disney doesn't do fairy tales or musicals anymore." It was when they left what they do best that audiences became disenchanted.

Those of us who gather here to comment on Disney films are such Disney fans that we're easier to please than the average person. Most people I know didn't see Atlantis or Treasure Planet because of such overwhelming disinterest. These same people commented that they missed movies like Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin. They strayed from what they do best and lost their audience... and then lost 2-D animation. If their 3-D ventures follow the same format as some of their recent films, Eisner will declare that all forms of animation are dead, and Disney animation will be a thing of the past. They need to return to musicals and fairy tales... that's what Disney does best. At least for now Pixar's making the kinds of movies Disney used to... and I mean "story," not animation technique.

[Class316]

You DO realize that Disney I [ie WALT’S Disney] died a slow death after Walt himself and the current Disney II is only similar to Disney I in its official name.

Face it, after Eisner came, it was the beginning of the end! The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and the Lion King were among the last good stuff produced after Walt died and Eisner took over. Come 1995 Disney I took its last breath and Disney II completely engulfed it. Since then, utter crap has been spewed!! Unfortunately, Disney II owns all the work made by Disney I. Best you can do is enjoy the glory days on DVD whenever Disney II permits.

[AwallaceUNC]

stlewis75- great post! I agree with everything you said.

You DO realize that Disney I [ie WALT’S Disney] died a slow death after Walt himself and the current Disney II is only similar to Disney I in its official name.

Face it, after Eisner came, it was the beginning of the end! The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and the Lion King were among the last good stuff produced after Walt died and Eisner took over. Come 1995 Disney I took its last breath and Disney II completely engulfed it. Since then, utter crap has been spewed!! Unfortunately, Disney II owns all the work made by Disney I. Best you can do is enjoy the glory days on DVD whenever Disney II permits.

Eisner didn't take over from Disney. If that's how you're breaking it down then there's Disney I (Walt), Disney II (Roy), Disney III (Ron), Disney IV (Eisner/Wells), Disney V (Eisner)... did I leave anyone out?

Disney didn't die, it was just hampered for a while by Walt's death, which was only to be expected. Many would argue (and I'm in their number) that Roy and Ron did the best they could, but their combined tenures (around 15 years-ish) weren't exactly booming. Then Eisner and Wells took over- and that's when Mermaid, Beauty, Aladdin, and Lion King all came out... under Eisner/Wells administration. Disney was BOOMING. Wells died, and things weren't so rosey any more. It's only been the last seven years or so, though, that have been bad, and it's almost entirely the fault of Eisner's. When he's gone, it's reasonable to expect that things will have the potential to begin turning around. I'm normally not one for doom & gloom, and this is no exception. Disney isn't dead. Prosperity comes in cycles- both in Disney, general economics, and life- and this is just a lull.

-Aaron