Scream 4 - April 15, 2011

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dvdjunkie wrote:I will not pay to support this franchise. The Scream movies are way overdone and are NOT horror movies, they are satire movies. And they aren't very good, after the first one, which I own.

If someone offers to take me to the cinema to see this - then maybe I will go. But I work to hard to waste money on this drivvel. It's just Hollywood's way of saying 'we need money, so we will go with something we know and is safe!'

Hollywood has no originality and gets none of my money with this one. Sorry.
I don't blame you in any way for your cynicism. I'm not even going to bother with Craven's last film- My Soul to Take. When I saw that ad, it was almost as though the days of The Faculty and Disturbing Behavior never ended. Somebody told at the beginning of this year- the 90's are back. And I took that with a grain of salt. Because, the early 90's would have to come first. Right? But as a matter of fact- I think we're going BACKWARDS into the 90's again. Final Destination tries to restart itself by dropping the sequel-identity. That's 2000. Paranormal Activity- bringing back Blair Witch Project. 1999. Then- My Soul to Take brings back the whole like body-switching / invasion type teen stuff from 1998's The Faculty and Disturbing Behavior. Plus, there's another Chucky movie coming out. And now, Scream's back.

Of course, that's not really my theory. My theory is that the 90's never went away. They just got dumber. Look at Saw. Other than the fact that the sequel is also ripping off Argento's Deep Red (1975) and Opera (1987), that series is just: Se7en (1995), Silence of the Lambs (1991), and Cube (1997) put in a blender. Rob Zombie's flicks are just more of the 90's road trip thrillers- especially Oliver Stone's Natural Born Killers and ... I didn't see U-Turn (anyone here see U-Turn?), but I saw ads for it and it's all in the desert. So was: Kalifornia (1993), Richard Stanley's Hardware (1990) & Dust Devil (1992), From Dusk Till Dawn (1996), Lost Highway (1997), and... did anyone here see White Sands? To say nothing of all the chatty indie movies that Tarantino invented. *We're fugitive killers runnin' from the law- let's have a conversation for 25 minutes.*

I've seen so many other examples, and after that ^, I don't think I need to name them. But if you have eyes, I think you can agree.

Anyway, I'm usually far more cynical than you are (remember NCIS). And Scream used to function as a social commentary on the way the horror genre was treated. You got it wrong- it's not a movie about what's ridiculous about horror movies. It's a movie about blaming society's problems on movies. The way stupid parents do, politicians always do, and the media will do it for the purpose of ratings. There was a great thing on the Jason X DVD- if only they had given it to us as a separate bonus feature, but New Line had Fangoria magazine's Tony Timpone as a guest debating horror films on a talk show against an audience of like bitchy housewives going, "oh, that's so disgusting," etc. I've said this before, many times on horror message boards- did you remember the killer's confession scene in Scream 2? Everything he said was true: people could have gotten away with blaming movies for making them kill if they'd tried- it's probably still never been done but with the way Bob Dole and The Christian Coalition were going against them, they were practically breeding the same stuff the Principal in the first Scream was complaining about.

PeterPanfan wrote:No, Bill, SCREAM, not Scary Movie. :headshake:
Good one, Panfan, but- Scary Movie wishes it were sophisticated enough to be a satire! It's a grossout sex-comedy hybrid. And a bad one at that.
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Khonnor wrote:
PeterPanfan wrote:Without saying WHO, could you please give me the body count? I'm making my predictions and am kind of wondering how many characters are offed.
15 people die during the movie.

Can you tell me your prediction, just for fun's sake? :)
Well, despite me NOT wanting this to happen, I kinda think Sidney, Gale, and/or Dewey are going to bite the dust in this one.

I'm pretty positive Emma Roberts is safe... probably the same to Hayden Pannetierre and Rory Culkin. Pretty sure the rest of the cast is up for grabs (Adam Brody, Marley Shelton, Anthony Anderson, Kristen Bell, Anna Paquin, Aimee Teegarden, Brittany Robertson, Shenae Grimes, Lucy Hale, etc.)

Out o fall four Screams, how would you rank them now?
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PeterPanfan wrote:Well, despite me NOT wanting this to happen, I kinda think Sidney, Gale, and/or Dewey are going to bite the dust in this one.

I'm pretty positive Emma Roberts is safe... probably the same to Hayden Pannetierre and Rory Culkin. Pretty sure the rest of the cast is up for grabs (Adam Brody, Marley Shelton, Anthony Anderson, Kristen Bell, Anna Paquin, Aimee Teegarden, Brittany Robertson, Shenae Grimes, Lucy Hale, etc.)

Out o fall four Screams, how would you rank them now?
Easy.

1. Scream
2. Scream 4
3. Scream 2
4. Scream 3

Don;'t get me wrong, a lot was wrong with part 4, little to no character-development and a lot of scenes were cut due to timing so I'm hoping there will be a longer cut sometime on DVD or Blu.

Also, the revelation to the killer(s) felt a little sudden to me as did the ending.

However, Wes Craven recently said Scream 5 and 6 will be filmed back to back next year with releases in 2012 and 2013. Kevin Williamson is contracted to write them and whoever survives from the main cast will reprise their roles as well. Who that is going to be, you'll have to wait and see for yourself...;)

A little spoiler regarding the opening kill to SCREAM 4 (no names):
EDIT: Does anyone know how to post spoiler tags? I tried , but it didnt work.
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I'm so excited to see it tomorrow! Was it more scary or more funny? And who do you think was the best actor/character out of the new cast? Sorry for all the questions, I can't help it! haha
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PeterPanfan wrote:I'm so excited to see it tomorrow! Was it more scary or more funny? And who do you think was the best actor/character out of the new cast? Sorry for all the questions, I can't help it! haha
It was actually very much like the original scream's atmosphere, only more modern. More blood and gore too. Only Gale seemed more like Scream 3 Gale than Scream 1 Gale.

Like I said, I think a lot of scenes were cut and hopefully those include some character development scenes, not a lot of the new characters were really fleshed out, so I'd have to say Kirby (Hayden) and Robbie (Erik Knudsen) were cool and I'm not even a big Hayden fan.

SPOILER regarding opening kill (no names):
There are 5 characters getting killed in the first 10 minutes
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Lazario wrote:Plus, there's another Chucky movie coming out.
Oh God... :roll:

Not really into horror films, but I enjoyed the first two Scream's. The original is easily the best, but I like just about anything with Laurie Metcalfe in it. (The Faculty's also one of my favorite films--of those that I grew up with, anyway).

I have to think, going into Scream 4, that one of the original characters will die this time. Especially if they're trying to reboot the series, maybe they'll just get rid of the original stars so they can move on.
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I went to the midnight showing last night and all I can say is that it rocked my world. I don't want to ruin it for anyone, so I won't go into detail until a bit later...but the latest installment is by far the second best of the series (the first being part one, obviously). Scream 4ever!
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Unfortunately I can't see Scream 4 until Wednesday, so I rewatched the first three last night. I am so in love with the original that I think it's my favorite movie of all time, haha. The first sequel wasn't as great as I remembered, but it still rocked, and the second was just okay.

SO excited for 4 though!
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I'm glad to see others ranking this as the second best of the series as I did.


Favorite character anyone?
Kirby Reed is definitely mine.
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rs_milo_whatever wrote:I'm glad to see others ranking this as the second best of the series as I did.


Favorite character anyone?
Kirby Reed is definitely mine.
Today (4.16) was my B-day and me and my bf went to Scream 4 again. I really wanted to see it again to pay attention to figure out which killer killed whom.

I still think Kirby is the most developed character out of the new people. It's so weird some characters are just hardly there, like Hoss and Trevor. Some more time on Robbie and Charlie would have been nice too and there was absolutely no point in Kate's character, nor Hicks.

I still liked it though. It's so nice to have that feeling again. God, I was 16 when I went to see SCREAM 3 at the cinema. Hell, I was 14 when I went to see SCREAM 2 like a dozen times during its first two weeks in cinemas.
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I'll post my review here too:

Let's just get this out in the open. I loved Scream 4. I am a huge fan of the original trilogy, and when I heard that they were making the fourth, I had mixed emotions. I jumped for joy because I get to see my favourite characters again (Neve and Courtney! David is meh.) but I was worried that they may ruin the series like they almost did with Scream 3. With that, let me mention my scores for the previous movies.

Scream - 10/10. The best. Everything was original. Clever, humorous, and scary.

Scream 2 - 7/10. A worthy sequel. It was really long, which I found that took away from the story. Also, I didn't find it as scary.

Scream 3 - 4/10. Just couldn't get into it. This just proves how valuable Kevin Williamson is.

After seeing Scream 4, I was glad that it met my expectations, but that doesn't mean that it didn't have its share of flaws. Anywho, here is a break down of the good and bad.

PROS:

-Plot: On par with the original. I guess that goes hand in hand with spoofing of the remakes.

-Opening: I did NOT see that coming. The first "spoof" was a little more obvious than the second, but I really enjoyed it as a whole.

-Ending: It was quite long, but I think I enjoyed it more than any of the other 3. I liked how it went from Kirby's house to the hospital, and, in the end, Jill got what was coming to her.

-Original 3: None of them died!! YES! I was nervous throughout the whole movie that one of them was going to die! Thank GOD!

-New Characters: Some of the characters, like Robbie and Kirby, were some of my favourites. I love Hayden, I think she always does well, and whoever played Robbie was super cute. When he said he was gay, my heart leapt up. lol, even though he is just a character.

-Twist: I did not expect Jill or Charlie to be the killers. In the most recent horror movies, I could always guess who the killer was, so I was happy that it tricked me.

CONS:

-Pacing: I felt that the movie was sprinting the whole time. It was too short, compared to Scream 2, which was too long.

-Not enough Gale: I know it was because she was filming Cougar Town at the same time as well, but she was like Sidney in Scream 3. Not there enough.

-New Characters: Some of them were awesome, while some of them sucked. I didn't like Charlie, sorry Rory! Anthony Anderson and Adam Brody just felt like last minute additions, and the two girls/publicist were just horrible.

So, in the end, I really enjoyed this movie, and I think you will too. I am SO ready for Scream 5!!!!
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Ting Ting wrote:I went to the midnight showing last night and all I can say is that it rocked my world. I don't want to ruin it for anyone, so I won't go into detail until a bit later...but the latest installment is by far the second best of the series (the first being part one, obviously). Scream 4ever!
I completely agree! It was everything I could have hoped for and more! I'll probably be going to see it again this weekend.
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I greatly enjoyed Scream 4 as well. I didn't find one bit of it scary, but as a self-aware comedy with killer dialogue, it worked very well.

I understand its not doing as well at the box-office as anticipated. I hope they do make a Scream 5 and 6, but if even if they don't, I was quite pleased with this one.
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This movie is getting pretty scathing reviews. As before I will pass on this one, unless someone wants to take me to see it. I won't spend my money on it. The first movie in the series was the best, and number three should never have been made.

And from those who have seen it, I have been told that it is more of a comedy than a horror film, so that figures well into my never seeing this and paying any money to support the franchise.
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All I read and everyone I talk to say it's a good installment. Actually, most say it's their favorite sequel. Not to mention the Scream movies are always comedies to a certain extent.
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rs_milo_whatever wrote:All I read and everyone I talk to say it's a good installment. Actually, most say it's their favorite sequel. Not to mention the Scream movies are always comedies to a certain extent.
It's definately MY favorite sequel of the series. It's lighter than 2 and darker than 3.

I'm looking for the cast poster, but can't find it anywhere, or only very small ones. Ugh...wish there were more (and better) shops that sell posters where I live.
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Yes, I actually don't know of any scathing reviews, so I don't know where that information is coming from...

I saw it last night with two of my friends and I thought it was fantastic. The original will forever be my favorite movie, but 4 is definitely the best sequel so far. I REALLY hope a 5 and 6 come out!
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I think it was just a bad weekend for the movies and Rio made double the money because of the 3D boost. Hopefully it picks up because I would love to see more.
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Plus, keep in mind that Scream 4 is an R-rated movie. I'm sure a lot of teenagers snuck into it after buying a ticket for another movie.
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PeterPanfan wrote:Plus, keep in mind that Scream 4 is an R-rated movie. I'm sure a lot of teenagers snuck into it after buying a ticket for another movie.
Not a lot of need for that in Canada. After I saw it I was shocked to realise that Scream 4's Ontario Theatrical Rating (which sometimes differs from the all of Canada Home Video Rating) was only a 14A while Your Highness got an 18A. I'd think the violence would have flipped that around. *Shrug*

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