Disney's Mort

[DisneyAnimation88]

Now that's surprising. We cannot be sure if Walt meant he wanted to cover such subjects or get his films to be as dark, dramatic, or serious as that kind of film. But there is one thing, To Kill A Mocking Bird is still a literature classic, everyone, see? And Lilo & Stitch and Chicken Little and Treasure Planet are not like that, either, see?

It's in Bob Thomas' official biography of Walt Disney as well as several interviews by Ron Miller. Miller said that in the 1960's Walt felt very stifled by his own reputation and unable to make the films he really wanted to make, eg To Kill A Mockingbird, which I take to mean more diverse and adult-orientated films. I agree we can't be sure but coming from Walt's son-in-law and protege, I don't see any reason to dispute how accurate they are.


We all know Lilo & Stitch, Chicken Little and Treasure Planet aren't literary classics. If you're going down that route then the same can be said for several other films including Dumbo and Lady and the Tramp, classic Walt-era films, although I know you've probably got some reason why they are classic literature.

I read the very first Discworld novel, The Color of Magic. If all of you are going to miss things like that about me, I can only keep coming to the conclusion that none of you are comprehending all the details of what Disney is, from all the past examples of their Walt or Renaissance movies.

I have reas your previous quotes, so I know that you've said that you haven't read Mort. Disney, as far as I know, were never making any other films based on Discworld so surely, before you can judge Mort and dismiss it as "un-Disney", you should read the book?

I'm pretty sure all of you knew what I meant by saying Stitch had to be more cute, but you all just jumped on the chance to take my words out of context and make fun of it, without thinking about what I mean.

How can you say that when so many people have said that they can make no sense of some of the things you say?

[Super Aurora]

i'm face palming so hard here. I think my face is flat as my kitchen floor.

[ajmrowland]

i'm face palming so hard here. I think my face is flat as my kitchen floor.

I'm facepalming so hard my fist penetrated the skin and tissue and made contact with my skull. He lost me at "Disney sense of ["classic"].

I might as well try to teach a bull how to paint the Mona Lisa.

[Duckburger]

Sigh.

Apparantly, the next logical step after fluffy blue aliens and Discworld books is drugs, flavored cats (wat) and porn. I just... I can't. My mind can't process this discussion, so you win by default. Partyin', partyin'. YEAH!

I hope at the very least though that you do realize that nobody agrees with nor understands what you are saying.

[Disney Duster]

DisneyAnimation, what I'm really surprised at is that a pioneer and boundary-pusher like Walt Disney would not make the films he really wanted to make, even though he had that "reputation" fro other kinds of films. He had lots of money, lots of fans, and I think he could have afforded to try a film like "To Kill A Mockingbird".

By the way, I meant that I believe that quote about him wanting to make a movie like it, but I was saying we can't be sure exactly what he meant by that quote. Did he want to make a movie that covers subjects like murder and courtroom drama, or did he want to just make a movie that was dark, serious, and had such high stake drama? Or just really well-built powerful drama? That's what I meant, that we can't be sure what he meant by he wanted to make movies that were like that movie, what did he mean by films like that movie?

And I know those other films are not literature classics. I was saying that Disney animated classics were subjects that were either literature classics, legends, folklore, or something like them. Original stories are perfectly welcome as long as they are like those things. The Lion King was original, but used elements from Shakespear's literature classic Hamlet, magic and talking animals from folklore, and even elements from Bambi.


Duckburger, I'm not trying to win. I admit now, after all this time talking and thinking, that Mort could possibly work as a Disney film...but the problem is Death the character and Discworld's universe seem so un-Disney that I have misgivings about it, I wouldn't want them to do something that I can't help but truly, really feel Walt would be against, unless they removed the un-Disney elements from the story. Anyway, when I mentioned that "cat that has a flavor" thing, that's from LOLcats, something I thought you'd know. I used that as an example to show that Disney would never do wacky or weird things like that.

[DisneyAnimation88]

By the way, I meant that I believe that quote about him wanting to make a movie like it, but I was saying we can't be sure exactly what he meant by that quote. Did he want to make a movie that cover subjects that murder and courtroom drama, or did he want to just make a movie that was dark, serious, and had such high stake drama? That's what I meant, that we can't be sure what he meant by he wanted to make movies that were like that movie, what did he mean by films like that movie?

From the fact that he spent his career making family-orientated films, I think that he wanted to make films that were more of more serious subjects that could be aimed at adults. Obviously I don't know that for certain but that's what Ron Miller says. Perhaps Walt's frustrations are what pushed Miller to found Touchstone after Walt's death.

[Goliath]

Duckburger, then what on Earth is Disney? Is there no subject they can't cover? Should they cover drug busts and porn, or cats that say their son has a flavor? Don't you ever get a feeling for what Disney is, and what kind of things they would or wouldn't do? I mean, you're a fan of Disney, doesn't that mean you're fan of something that exists, not a fan of everything and anything in the world? So that means Disney can't just do anything and everything.

I think you have a very narrow-minded idea of what a 'fan' is. And, to be honest, there *are* a lot of narrow-minded fans out there. You're one of them. Why should a 'fan' demand from his/her idol that he/she/it always stays the same and never does any developing (like you would want Disney to do). To come back to my obsession with Bob Dylan: he changed his musical style *all the time* and fans turned away from him for trying new things. These 'fans' had the idea that Dylan should always do the same, remain static, not develop, because otherwise, he wouldn't be "Dylan" anymore. Even his most loyal critics, like Greil Marcus of 'Rolling Stone', have said some of his records were "utterly fake", like 'Street Legal' (1978), just because they were very, very different from what he had done before. Marcus should've known better. He knew Dylan always changed and experimented. He just labeled 'Street Legal' as "fake" because he didn't personally like it. You remind me of Marcus, Duster.

I'm pretty sure all of you knew what I meant by saying Stitch had to be more cute, but you all just jumped on the chance to take my words out of context and make fun of it, without thinking about what I mean.

Yeah, that must be it.

[Disney Duster]

Once again, unlike Bob Dylan, Walt's not physically here with us. With Walt gone, we must figure out what kind of films Disney should make, and we only have his old films and quotes to go on. Or, you know, tapping into "the Disney Essence", what feels Disney to us.

And how far can Disney go...before they're not Disney anymore at all?

[PatrickvD]

Once again, unlike Bob Dylan, Walt's not physically here with us. With Walt gone, we must figure out what kind of films Disney should make

who's we?

Also we MUST (in your terms) also figure out how to adapt this... 'Disney essence', and make it relevant for modern day audiences because, and Duster you might wanna sit down for this one and hold on to something because this might come as kind of a shock for you.........








..... times have changed....

[Super Aurora]

Also we MUST (in your terms) also figure out how to adapt this... 'Disney essence', and make it relevant for modern day audiences because, and Duster you might wanna sit down for this one and hold on to something because this might come as kind of a shock for you.........



..... times have changed....

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for relevancy.

[Dream Huntress]

Once again, unlike Bob Dylan, Walt's not physically here with us. With Walt gone, we must figure out what kind of films Disney should make

who's we?

Also we MUST (in your terms) also figure out how to adapt this... 'Disney essence', and make it relevant for modern day audiences because, and Duster you might wanna sit down for this one and hold on to something because this might come as kind of a shock for you.........








..... times have changed....

[ajmrowland]

Hollywood today:

Less talk, more explosions.

Enigmawing should make an image outta that cuz I cant seem to find any on the internet regarding how the industry's changed/

[Super Aurora]

Hollywood today:

Less talk, more explosions.

Enigmawing should make an image outta that cuz I cant seem to find any on the internet regarding how the industry's changed/

Just post a picture of Micheal Bay. pic tells a thousand words.

[Dream Huntress]

That's Hollywood in a nutshell.

[ajmrowland]

Just post a picture of Micheal Bay. pic tells a thousand words.

That's Hollywood in a nutshell.

[Goliath]

Once again, unlike Bob Dylan, Walt's not physically here with us. With Walt gone, we must figure out what kind of films Disney should make, and we only have his old films and quotes to go on. Or, you know, tapping into "the Disney Essence", what feels Disney to us.

And how far can Disney go...before they're not Disney anymore at all?

It doesn't matter whether or not Dylan is still with us (but, believe me, I'll be devastated the day I'll hear of his passing away). What matters is how fans judged his creative changes, the way you have judged Disney's creative changes. The point I was trying to make, is that others cannot decide what is "Dylan"/"Disney" or not. Because, if Dylan made a certain record, why shouldn't that be "Dylan"? Because his (old) fans say so? Because they don't like how he has changed? It's the same way with Disney: if Disney makes a movie, isn't that automatically "Disney", even though the formula has changed? The way I see it, is that people change and fans should accept that it's a part of that person. Both Dylan and Disney developed themselves.

But hey, you want to reduce Walt's vastly different first five features to "they're all the same, because there;'s magic in it", so I honestly don't know why I'm wasting my time here.

Also we MUST (in your terms) also figure out how to adapt this... 'Disney essence', and make it relevant for modern day audiences because, and Duster you might wanna sit down for this one and hold on to something because this might come as kind of a shock for you.........

..... times have changed....

You got that right!

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for relevancy.

<3

[estefan]

Not to prolong this discussion further, but I feel this is worth mentioning. I watched Waking Sleeping Beauty last night and Roy Disney (Walt's own nephew, who was very familiar with his uncle, I'm sure) pretty much out-right says "My uncle would have hated the question 'What would Walt have done?'" I think Roy, an actual Disney, would have an a much more accurate idea about his uncle's wishes rather than some people on an Internet forum. On the bonus features, they even discuss how in his interview for the documentary, Roy said that Howard Ashman was the only person to coming close to the real Walt Disney.

/discussion

P.S. Anybody who hasn't seen Waking Sleeping Beauty should definitely watch it.

[Super Aurora]

Not to prolong this discussion further, but I feel this is worth mentioning. I watched Waking Sleeping Beauty last night and Roy Disney (Walt's own nephew, who was very familiar with his uncle, I'm sure) pretty much out-right says "My uncle would have hated the question 'What would Walt have done?'" I think Roy, an actual Disney, would have an a much more accurate idea about his uncle's wishes rather than some people on an Internet forum. On the bonus features, they even discuss how in his interview for the documentary, Roy said that Howard Ashman was the only person to coming close to the real Walt Disney.

/discussion

P.S. Anybody who hasn't seen Waking Sleeping Beauty should definitely watch it.

There you have it. /thread

[Disney Duster]

I didn't ask what Walt would have done. I was asking what the Disney Essence was.

http://legends.disney.go.com/legends/de ... +e.+disney

Roy Disney once said,

"The thing that distinguishes us from everybody else, and always has and always will, is our past. The goal is to look over our shoulder and see Snow White and Pinocchio and Dumbo standing there, saying, 'Be this good.' We shouldn't be intimidated by them; they're an arrow pointing someplace."

Goliath, you still don't understand. Since Walt Disney is not around to tell us what is Disney anymore, we must figure it out. And things like Discworld and alien gun violence and Tangled's name seem to be un-Disney.

[Super Aurora]

The way I read that as, is that they are first to revolutionize how movie making few and accept animation.If a company is the first to start something a new and revolutionize concept to history, yeah of course it's going to feel special to the public.