Disney's Mort

[Elladorine]

I'm still confused.

[DisneyJedi]

^As am I. I mean, what? Is Death supposed to be a girl, or a guy?!

Sorry, I gotta bring the Nostalgia Critic into this:

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[DisneyAnimation88]

But the way they are talking about doing it now is the un-Disney way of doing death, the Discworld way.

Here's an outrageous idea; why not wait until the film is actually made and you've seen it before making a snap decision over whether it has the mythical "Disney essence" and meets your standards?

How can you judge the way "they are talking about doing it" when, as of yet, I don't think Disney have made any comment regarding Mort or how they will go about adapting it?

Maleficent had horns too. It's not the same thing, and for it not being the same thing, that is the difference between what is Disney and what is not.

I can't make any sense of this.

I simply said it feels un-Disney. That's a true statement because I feel it.

True to you maybe, but not to the rest of us; it's an opinion, we all have them.

All of you do know what is or Disney comes from feelings that are hard to explain, capiche? I simply made a statement that is true, you can't explain it any more than that, thus I've explained all I could.

Again, what? So because you said it, it's true? If you have explained it all you can and still nobody understands it, doesn't that tell you something?

[Disney Duster]

Death in Mort is a male, and people said he is friendly and not evil.

I am saying that doesn't matter, that Death as a character is a very un-Disney subject, that even if they tried to Disneyfy it, should they really try to Disneyfy everything, including sex and drugs, and can they even really do that?

Next, it is a true that I felt it isn't Disney. I didn't say everyone felt this way, did I? The truth is that I felt it. That is a truth, not an opinion. You must read very carefully.

I'm asking you, what is the limit? Should Disney just do anything and everything, and not have an identity anymore? They should just do anything that's not R-rated? Even if it doesn't fit with what Disney's always been like, you just want to see them do it anyway or try to make it fit?

I can't wait until Disney makes Twilight into animated movies. The vampires aren't evil, they're friendly, it's fine! I mean, Disney can do anything, make anything fit them, cause Disney has no essence or identity, right?

[disneyboy20022]

I can't wait until Disney makes Twilight into animated movies. The vampires aren't evil, they're friendly, it's fine! I mean, Disney can do anything, make anything fit them, cause Disney has no essence or identity, right?

[DisneyAnimation88]

Next, it is a true that I felt it isn't Disney. I didn't say everyone felt this way, did I? The truth is that I felt it. That is a truth, not an opinion. You must read very carefully.

In that case, you must write more clearly so that people can understand what you're saying. Sometimes you just come across as condescending.

I'm asking you, what is the limit? Should Disney just do anything and everything, and not have an identity anymore? They should just do anything that's not R-rated? Even if it doesn't fit with what Disney's always been like, you just want to see them do it anyway or try to make it fit?

No, I personally want to see them do more original stories and I think Mort is that. I'm starting to agree with Goliath; if you don't like it, it's wrong. The film is being directed (reportedly) by Ron Clements and John Musker, the two men who adapted one of the world's saddest fairytales into one of Disney's most successful and popular animated features. For some reason, I trust their judgement of what makes a good Disney film a little more than I trust your's.

[Super Aurora]

You see, since people are already not understanding what I wrote very well before, my complaint that people simply don't understand me even when I explain myself is legitimate.

Since none of us, as majority, are clearly understand wtf you're trying to explain and tell us, it clearly seems you aren't explaining yourself clearly enough or legitimately. The example of how you explain yourself as I pointed out earlier is a proof of your way of trying to prove an argument that really isn't being send to us clearly enough. You're only speaking in clearly your own personal feelings as if you expect us to understand it easily like poof! disney magic.

I already asked if sex and drugs could be Disneyfied, in the sense that Death could be Disneyfied. It means you can make either sex, drugs, or death be friendly and nice and not evil or a killer, like all of you said he is in the book, but it doesn't matter if you make death, sex, or drugs, look friendly and not bad or evil, because it's still sex, Death, and drugs, all un-Disney (Death as a person, not death as an occurence in the story).

how is death as a person or entity is "un-disney"? Death already have been use as an entity embodiment. Hades(and the three fates) and Chernabog as Enigmawing pointed out earlier. I dunno why you said Hades isn't considering he's you know he's... the...ruler of the dead....

Was the Horned King Death? He wasn't? Then that's still my point.

That wasn't the point being made. You said earlier that Death would look out of place in the disney company due to what he look like(skeleton, dark looking have a hoody). I brought up Horn King as a counter example considering he also a scary looking skeleton that wears a hood and cloak. Meaning that Disney is not foreign to creating or using such character design concept.

Maleficent had horns too. It's not the same thing, and for it not being the same thing, that is the difference between what is Disney and what is not.

LOL WAT?!

I simply said it feels un-Disney. That's a true statement because I feel it.

I can't wait till Big One or Goliath read this.

This is clearly your opinion, and not a true statement.

All of you do know what is or Disney comes from feelings that are hard to explain, capiche? I simply made a statement that is true, you can't explain it any more than that, thus I've explained all I could.

More like you're being lazy and don't want to explain or you don't really know how to explain it. Again you made a statement that is your opinion. Not truth.

Part of it is that death, a concept, is made into a character with personality that talks and something that ironically twists and parodies the concept. It is the Discworld style of irreverent humor and ideas, not Disney humor or ideas.

Be more specific as you're not clearly explaining yourself here. Define what is "Disney humor" and what's not. cause clearly none of this to us is making any sense considering you're not explaining yourself your reasoning all that well.

Since it feels so un-Disney, let's see just how Disney they can possibly make it.

Like the same way they did it for Hunchback, Hercules, Jungle Book, Fox and the Hound etc??

Mort if anything works much better for a Disney concept than the previous example titles I listed.

^As am I. I mean, what? Is Death supposed to be a girl, or a guy?!

In mort more like a guy. The one Darklordavaitor showed, is a from Neil Gaimen's Sandman comic series.

Death in Mort is a male, and people said he is friendly and not evil.

More like a being trying to understand concept of humans as someone said before. He's more of a complex figure in exploring. He''s neither good nor evil. Just a entity that does his job.

I am saying that doesn't matter, that Death as a character is a very un-Disney subject, that even if they tried to Disneyfy it, should they really try to Disneyfy everything, including sex and drugs, and can they even really do that?

They already did Disneyfied sex. It's in Hunchback.

Next, it is a true that I felt it isn't Disney. I didn't say everyone felt this way, did I? The truth is that I felt it. That is a truth, not an opinion. You must read very carefully.

It's truth that you feel this way. No one is denying that. But it still a person's opinion.

I'm asking you, what is the limit? Should Disney just do anything and everything, and not have an identity anymore? They should just do anything that's not R-rated?

as long as story is good interesting and good concept. I'm more for it. What "fits disney" or not means zip to me. Disney's job is provide great entertainment. So i would expect great entertainment out of them regardless what the content may be.

Even if it doesn't fit with what Disney's always been like, you just want to see them do it anyway or try to make it fit?
Sure why not.

I can't wait until Disney makes Twilight into animated movies. The vampires aren't evil, they're friendly, it's fine! I mean, Disney can do anything, make anything fit them, cause Disney has no essence or identity, right?

Twilight sucks to begin with. If they adapted it. I wouldn't be cause they lost "Disney essence" or whatever, but they adapted a shitty novel series. thus the adaption is shitty as well.

[Disney Duster]

You can have original stories that aren't stuff like Mort. Disney did Lady and the Tramp and The Lion King and those were original stories that felt Disney.

I did not say I didn't approve of death because of his design. You see, you read into something that I never said, meaning it really is true that people are not understanding what I'm saying even when I don't write the stuff they are saying I am, so it's all you guys, not me.

Also, this is really easy, Hades is Hades, not the same as Death, right? And the other characters you mentioned are not the same as Death, right? Otherwise they would be called Death, and be Death. That difference, the one I already explained but you ignored, the idea of making the concept of death itself into a full personalitied character is a Discworld humor that is not Disney humor. Humor is a concept and feeling, and so it is hard to explain, which is why when you say I must explain it there is not much that I can. However I will say the humor is a kind of wacky, twisted, irreverent parody way that is not Disney's humor, and that is at least some explanation.

[Elladorine]

should they really try to Disneyfy everything, including sex and drugs, and can they even really do that?

Did you miss my post stating that Disney has already depicted sex and drugs?



This is the evidence that Jessica was cheating on Roger. It's definitely a Disneyfied take on sex. Come to think of it, I've read that the weasel's death in the film is also "Disneyfied."




This one should be self-explanitory.

[DisneyAnimation88]

Disney Duster, this is the Death of Terry Pratchett's novels who may soon become a Disney character.

http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Death

"He is fond of kittens, Binky, Susan, Albert, curries and life."

"Death is however a caring individual and likes to keep an eye on things he does not necessarily need to, and he gets quite upset when people (mostly those freshly severed from their bodies) accuse him of killing them."

"His jurisdiction, so to speak, appears to be Discworld itself; he is not Death in the universal sense."

From those three quotes, I can envisage Death as a Disney character. From the last quote you could say that he is like Hades; he is the manifestation of death in Terry Pratchett's world, just as Hades is in Greek myth and culture. Any characterisation of death that likes curries and kittens really doesn't sound as bad or "un-Disney" as you seem to think it to be.

[Super Aurora]

Not to mention that the "Death of universes" entity that duster may be thinking about is actually Azrael as stated in this quote:

Death is a servant of Azrael, the 'Death of Universes'; an entity of enormously unthinkable scope and size, "the Ultimate Reality". Azrael is the Being from whom all lesser-Deaths are mere reflections or aspects.

[Disney Duster]

Okay, good, I have all of you listening at the same time.

First, since when does Who Framed Roger Rabbit, a film which melded Disney with Warner Brothers, which is un-Disney, fair game? It's not, because it's not a Disney animated classic which is what we are talking about.

Next, the caterpillar could be smoking some Wonderland whatever, and what he's doing is treated the same Cruella Deville and her cigarettes. You know what I meant when I was talking about drugs. The actual taking of illegal drugs of which we know their names and we see their mind-altering effects.

Next, how is making death a character called Death in anyway like those two examples you just gave? Why, it's not at all like those.

It doesn't matter how friendly death is. Death is a wacky Discworld type comedic take on death, he is not a mythical or folklore character like Hdes, who by the way did not represent death, he didn't kill people and take their souls, he just ruled the place where there souls were.

For all this, I stand by what I say. It's pretty un-Disney, yet they're going to try and make it Disney, because they just liked Mort so much and just want to put Disney animation on whatever they're personally interested in.

[DisneyAnimation88]

For all this, I stand by what I say. It's pretty un-Disney, yet they're going to try and make it Disney, because they just liked Mort so much and just want to put Disney animation on whatever they're personally interested in.

Yes they are, just as they did with The Jungle Book, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Tangled, The Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty, Pocahontas, Hercules, Pinocchio, Robin Hood, etc. For shame Disney, for shame.

If I were you, I would take a sabattical from Disney after Winnie the Pooh. I get the feeling that if you're not going to give Mort a chance, you're probably not thrilled about Reboot Ralph or King of the Elves either.

It doesn't matter how friendly death is. Death is a wacky Discworld type comedic take on death, he is not a mythical or folklore character like Hdes, who by the way did not represent death, he didn't kill people and take their souls, he just ruled the place where there souls were.

Death in Discworld doesn't kill people either. His job is to guide souls into the great beyond.

Right now, none of us know anything about how Disney plan to adapt Mort at all. If I were you, I would wait until 2014, if the film is even released then, until you make a judgement; you might actually find that you're surprised.

[Linden]

I don't get your problem with Death, Disney Duster. Death is a somewhat comedic take on the Death of folklore, just like how there are comedic takes on Greek mythological characters in Hercules, which you seem to be okay with. Lighten up a little! You love Disney so much you want everything they do to be like something they've done before. I think there is a Disney essence, but that it is quality, family-friendly film-making. Disney doesn't need a specific formula or moral for every single one of their movies. They need to branch out and be as creative as possible, while still continuing their tradition of great film-making. Mort seems like a good opportunity to let loose with creativity and still make a dramatic and fun movie.

I haven't read any DiscWorld books yet, but Death seems like one cool character to me. I can see him becoming quite popular. Black T-shirt with pictures of Death and quotes on them and all that. And I bet you that Death in the parks would be popular. People wouldn't feel so stupid waiting in line to take a picture with Death.

[disneyprincess11]

Disney Duster, this is the Death of Terry Pratchett's novels who may soon become a Disney character.

http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Death

"He is fond of kittens, Binky, Susan, Albert, curries and life."

"Death is however a caring individual and likes to keep an eye on things he does not necessarily need to, and he gets quite upset when people (mostly those freshly severed from their bodies) accuse him of killing them."

"His jurisdiction, so to speak, appears to be Discworld itself; he is not Death in the universal sense."

From those three quotes, I can envisage Death as a Disney character.

Wow, that's intersting! I never knew the Grim Reaper could be presented like that. I'm still not unsure about this movie, though.

[Goliath]

Tell me again why Hades doesn't count?

Because he's from a movie Disney Duster grew up on and has nostalgic feelings for. If Hercules came out today, he'd be complaining about it all the time.

You can have original stories that aren't stuff like Mort. Disney did Lady and the Tramp and The Lion King and those were original stories that felt Disney.

The Lion King wasn't original, because it ripped off Kimba, as we all know. And wasn't Lady and the Tramp based on a booklet about a dog called 'Whistling Dan'? Anyway, talk about Disney-fied sex: why do you think Jock and/or Trusty were going to propose to Lady? (That reference was cut from the Dutch dub, by the way.) Because Tramp knocked her up during their night together.

I did not say I didn't approve of death because of his design.

Yes, you did. You just painted yourself in a corner with that remark.


I think what you're all looking for to reply to Disney Duster is:

[Super Aurora]

First, since when does Who Framed Roger Rabbit, a film which melded Disney with Warner Brothers, which is un-Disney, fair game? It's not, because it's not a Disney animated classic which is what we are talking about.

Fair enough point on Roger Rabbit which I agree shouldn't be an example to use, but you I like how you you couldn't argue against Hunchback's example I gave.

Next, the caterpillar could be smoking some Wonderland whatever,

He's smoking a Hookah.

You know what I meant when I was talking about drugs. The actual taking of illegal drugs of which we know their names and we see their mind-altering effects.

The whole movie involved mind altering effect. Mushrooms, height perception, etc. You didn't think this movie was popular with druggies for a reason did you?

Next, how is making death a character called Death in anyway like those two examples you just gave? Why, it's not at all like those.

But what you asked earlier is "Show me where Disney Disney-fying Sex and drugs like they doing with death..." We gave you examples. You never specify any specific answers you were looking for and wanted to see.

It doesn't matter how friendly death is. Death is a wacky Discworld type comedic take on death, he is not a mythical or folklore character like Hdes, who by the way did not represent death, he didn't kill people and take their souls, he just ruled the place where there souls were.

Just like Ron and Jon made a wacky comedic "christianize" take on the more serious mythological, and Greek myth -> Heracles. Not mention Mort will be directed by same directors.

While Hades doesn't do the killing, the movie still showed the 3 fate sisters who DO do the killing. So your argument is still moot.

For all this, I stand by what I say. It's pretty un-Disney,

which make no sense to rest of us.

yet they're going to try and make it Disney, because they just liked Mort so much and just want to put Disney animation on whatever they're personally interested in.

Which most of us don't really see any problem with.

The Lion King wasn't original, because it ripped off Kimba, as we all know.

This thread isn't meant for it but I want downright clarify that the two have hardly anything in common at all. I've seen both. They are hardly anything alike.

If you want make ripoff comparison Hamlet would be the better one to pick.

[pinkrenata]

I can't wait until Disney makes Twilight into animated movies. The vampires aren't evil, they're friendly, it's fine! I mean, Disney can do anything, make anything fit them, cause Disney has no essence or identity, right?

Actually, those Cullens are pretty friendly peeps.

[ajmrowland]

I can't wait until Disney makes Twilight into animated movies. The vampires aren't evil, they're friendly, it's fine! I mean, Disney can do anything, make anything fit them, cause Disney has no essence or identity, right?

Isnt somebody supposed to be shirtless?

[Linden]

Isnt somebody supposed to be shirtless?

I know! I was trying to figure out who Jacob was, but it was hard to identify him, since they're all wearing shirts. I guess it's the beefy version of Eric?