Bambi: Diamond Edition Discussion - March 1, 2011

[MJW]

I was thinking, does it really matter whether the film was archived in 2K or 4K, as eventually, even these types of scans will probably be antiquated themselves? Technology is constantly moving forward, and although presentation on Blu-ray is the best we have today, will it be the best we ever have? I'm not so sure.

I know there is only so much you can do with an original image past a full restoration, besides converting it to 3D and all that stuff. Whatever form of movie watching they have way into the future, who is to say that even an 8K scan would be enough to have the "best" picture quality? Unless there would be a way to further enhance the archived piece, would they be "stuck" with what they have since by then, the negatives would probably be long, long gone?

Don't get me wrong, I am glad they are archiving these films because as a poster said above, the originals are fading away fast. I'm just wondering what the future holds as we move further and further with new technology and what this means for us today.

[fatcake]

Finally got bambi last night!

but i didnt open it yet , i guess i will tonight , hope its worth it!

[dvdjunkie]

Besides all this, who can really tell the difference between 2k, 4k and a jillion k??? I think we are dabbling in areas that none of us are even remotely qualified for. There isn't one of us who could tell the difference.

It is like some people think that the colors are different in a movie that has been digitally re-mastered and things like that.

It all comes down to whether you have an HDTV and a Blu-ray player that are compatible, and the TV has been professionally calibrated (not just using DVD Essentials or THX optimizer) for the right heat and colors.

When I am reading here on UD about people who think the colors are different, or the contrast is off, or something like that I first of all would like to question what type of television are they watching the movie on, and whether it is HDTV or standard, Blu-ray or standard, and whether or not their HDTV has been professionally calibrated. If the answer is "NO" to the calibration, then the person complaining will complain about anything and everything because their television set or monitor is giving the incorrect information.

Yes, I know that it costs about $150 to have someone come in and professionally calibrate your HDTV, but after it is done, you will notice a 'day and night' difference in your picture and the heat that the HDTV is putting out. Just put your hand close to the screen and if you feel any warmth at all, then you need to have the calibration done, firstly to save and extend the life of your panels on your LCD or Plasma television.

[yamiiguy]

I was thinking, does it really matter whether the film was archived in 2K or 4K, as eventually, even these types of scans will probably be antiquated themselves? Technology is constantly moving forward, and although presentation on Blu-ray is the best we have today, will it be the best we ever have? I'm not so sure.

It's not the best but you're probably not going to be able to tell the difference between 1080p, 2K, 4K etc. Heck, if you have a small enough screen you won't be able to tell the difference between SD and HD. I don't see home media ever going beyond 1080p because I don't see TV sets bigger than 80" becoming the norm. Anyway you can't get better than an exact reproduction of the negative and there would be no point in having something that was such high quality the human eye wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

[BK]

It gets marginally better but since TV sizes are not going to be changing, there is no real need for anyone to release an 8K master.

I cannot remember but there is a resolution which is equal to film and so if you breach that mark, it evidently will not get any better.

Right now, we should just hope Disney get their remasters done in time for their older films, animated and non-animated. With FATH coming, surely every release will be with us sooner or later, but the package features, Song of the South, 20,000 Leagues etc. unless they've been remastered without a release, they really have to be done soon.

[KubrickFan]

I was thinking, does it really matter whether the film was archived in 2K or 4K, as eventually, even these types of scans will probably be antiquated themselves? Technology is constantly moving forward, and although presentation on Blu-ray is the best we have today, will it be the best we ever have? I'm not so sure.

I know there is only so much you can do with an original image past a full restoration, besides converting it to 3D and all that stuff. Whatever form of movie watching they have way into the future, who is to say that even an 8K scan would be enough to have the "best" picture quality? Unless there would be a way to further enhance the archived piece, would they be "stuck" with what they have since by then, the negatives would probably be long, long gone?

Don't get me wrong, I am glad they are archiving these films because as a poster said above, the originals are fading away fast. I'm just wondering what the future holds as we move further and further with new technology and what this means for us today.

Technically, they're not even restorations. The original negatives are all still there, and in good shape. Some processing is done to remove debris and such, but that's not restoring, because the film still exists. Disney is archiving new masters simply to not use the original negatives all the time. While they're still in good condition, they shouldn't be used more than they need to.
Scanning in 4K while finishing the master in 2K is pretty standard practice, while for future's sake, 4K all the way would be best. Most movies these days have a 2K DI (Digital Intermediate) which means that the film only exists in that resolution. The problem with that is that you're stuck at that resolution. If you want it in 4K, you need to scan in all the film, edit it all over again, do the color-correction again, and do the possible special effects again. A huge labor of work. Compared to that, redoing a scanning of an older film seems like a breeze.
8K is redundant for regular 35mm film. Only Warner Bros. did that, for The Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind. However, the restoration (which they did all over again for the Blu-ray release) was done in 4K resolution.

Besides all this, who can really tell the difference between 2k, 4k and a jillion k??? I think we are dabbling in areas that none of us are even remotely qualified for. There isn't one of us who could tell the difference.

It is like some people think that the colors are different in a movie that has been digitally re-mastered and things like that.

It all comes down to whether you have an HDTV and a Blu-ray player that are compatible, and the TV has been professionally calibrated (not just using DVD Essentials or THX optimizer) for the right heat and colors.

When I am reading here on UD about people who think the colors are different, or the contrast is off, or something like that I first of all would like to question what type of television are they watching the movie on, and whether it is HDTV or standard, Blu-ray or standard, and whether or not their HDTV has been professionally calibrated. If the answer is "NO" to the calibration, then the person complaining will complain about anything and everything because their television set or monitor is giving the incorrect information.

Yes, I know that it costs about $150 to have someone come in and professionally calibrate your HDTV, but after it is done, you will notice a 'day and night' difference in your picture and the heat that the HDTV is putting out. Just put your hand close to the screen and if you feel any warmth at all, then you need to have the calibration done, firstly to save and extend the life of your panels on your LCD or Plasma television.

Calibrating can be very useful, I think. The problem is, the people who might receive the most benefit out of these are mostly the people who don't care that their TVs have the wrong settings. You know, people who like to watch their TVs with the sharpness as high as possible, with extremely bright colors. Most film fanatics have a fairly reasonable grasp of what film should look like.
About the resolution issue, you can definitely see the difference between them. It just matters on what you're watching. On an HDTV, you'll probably see it, since movies like Baraka and The Sound of Music (shot on 70mm, and scanned it at 8K) already look better than most other Blu-rays. But the bigger the screens, the better a higher resolution master will look. But I'd be surprised if we'll ever get 4K movies in our homes.

[Avaitor]

I got into a little extra cash recently, so I decided to pick up a copy while the coupon was good after all.

I decided that getting it at Toys R Us with the plush would cost about as much as the Best Buy/lunch box combo, so I hit that up. It's a pretty cute plush, so I think I made the right decision.

I'll get to watching it later tonight. Bambi's always a good experience, so I'm looking forward to it.

[ajmrowland]

I was thinking, does it really matter whether the film was archived in 2K or 4K, as eventually, even these types of scans will probably be antiquated themselves? Technology is constantly moving forward, and although presentation on Blu-ray is the best we have today, will it be the best we ever have? I'm not so sure.

I know there is only so much you can do with an original image past a full restoration, besides converting it to 3D and all that stuff. Whatever form of movie watching they have way into the future, who is to say that even an 8K scan would be enough to have the "best" picture quality? Unless there would be a way to further enhance the archived piece, would they be "stuck" with what they have since by then, the negatives would probably be long, long gone?

Don't get me wrong, I am glad they are archiving these films because as a poster said above, the originals are fading away fast. I'm just wondering what the future holds as we move further and further with new technology and what this means for us today.

well, I think the scans remain because the next video format is not likely to be at those resolutions. 2k(or is it 4k) is what most cinemas use and those screens are sizeable.
anyway, how long are the release-week deals expected to last? I hope they're still active Tuesday, cuz I'm gonna try and pick up this plus the two Ghibli titles.

[SpringHeelJack]

How long are the release-week deals expected to last? I hope they're still active Tuesday, cuz I'm gonna try and pick up this plus the two Ghibli titles.

I forget how long the coupon is good for, but the sale prices at places like Target or Best Buy will only last until Saturday night, then they typically go to the normal $29.99 price point.

[diebob21]

Hey Guys,

I hope everyone is having a wonderful day. I had a question,

Does the Bambi diamond Bluray with DVD Disc come with a chapter insert? or anything inside the case? I just got the DVD and nothing came inside.
I brought the one with the regular typical DVD case, no blue case.

Thank you.

[disneyguy]

Hey Guys,

I hope everyone is having a wonderful day. I had a question,

Does the Bambi diamond Bluray with DVD Disc come with a chapter insert? or anything inside the case? I just got the DVD and nothing came inside.
I brought the one with the regular typical DVD case, no blue case.

Thank you.

Hi,
Yes it comes with the chapter insert and the Disney Rewards insert and
and an insert talking about Disney 3Ds..

DG

[dvdjunkie]

Kubrickfan wrote:

Calibrating can be very useful, I think. The problem is, the people who might receive the most benefit out of these are mostly the people who don't care that their TVs have the wrong settings. You know, people who like to watch their TVs with the sharpness as high as possible, with extremely bright colors. Most film fanatics have a fairly reasonable grasp of what film should look like.

That's the problem and why people will be complaining that their televisions don't last as long. Calibration has nothing to do with a picture's brightness, sharpness or contrast values, but turns the heat down on the television itself. The picture is corrected to maximum when calibrated correctly, and like I said before, if you have a LCD, Plasma, DSP, or any other large screen 32" or larger and you put your hand close enough to the screen that you feel heat, then your television needs to be calibrated to reduce that heat.

If you read my post in its entirety you will see that I am not talking about the people who like to see bright unadulterated colors on their television can do that, as long as they have had the television calibrated to reduce the heat.

[dvdjunkie]

Don't know about the DVD +Blu-ray case, but the Blu-ray + DVD case comes just as Disney guy says.

Did you buy yours new, and why not buy the Blu-ray + DVD?

[diebob21]

i brought it at a a used dvd/cd store in my area.

the dvd is brand new, but nothing inside like the chapter insert or coupons. and it was only 15 bucks. with bluray and dvd including slipcover.

so im guessing the person who owned before kept the insert

[jpanimation]

I cannot remember but there is a resolution which is equal to film and so if you breach that mark, it evidently will not get any better.

This isn't exact but it should help put things into perspective:

2K ~ 1080p
4K ~ 35mm film
8K ~ 65/70mm film (IMAX)

[ajmrowland]

^wait, i thought 2k was a cinema resolution?

[jpanimation]

^Your cinema's 2k digital projector is a resolution of 2048x1080 while your Blu-Ray player is a resolution of 1920×1080 (they're soo close, is it any wonder I want to save up for an HD home theater projector and never have to buy a movie ticket again?).

While most 35mm film negatives start off with about 4k of information, by the time that 35mm print hits your local cinema’s screen it’ll be closer to 2k. Something to note is not all 35mm film negatives have 4k worth of picture information. Depending on the film stock used and the wear and tear, it could be closer to 2k.

Once again, someone more knowledgeable then I can future elaborate.

[Scamander]

huh, why didn't you buy it new for that price with the $10 voucher?

[KubrickFan]

^Your cinema's 2k digital projector is a resolution of 2048x1080 while your Blu-Ray player is a resolution of 1920×1080 (they're soo close, is it any wonder I want to save up for an HD home theater projector and never have to buy a movie ticket again?).

While most 35mm film negatives start off with about 4k of information, by the time that 35mm print hits your local cinema’s screen it’ll be closer to 2k. Something to note is not all 35mm film negatives have 4k worth of picture information. Depending on the film stock used and the wear and tear, it could be closer to 2k.

Once again, someone more knowledgeable then I can future elaborate.

Yeah, the resolutions are close, but Blu-ray is still compressed. And with (hopefully) digital projectors being changed into 4K projectors, a film on a cinema screen would still look quite different than on Blu-ray. Of course, a good film print, properly projected would still blow anything digital out of the water.
Most new film stocks definitely are close to 4K. Film stocks keep improving. Wear and tear is not an issue with the negative, since these days they're scanned immediately into the computer for editing, color adjusting, and so forth.
As for what resolution a film projected in your local cinema has, it differs very much. If that cinema haas a digital projector, then it's simply 2K, providing the focus is correct. With film, you'd have to factor in how many times it's removed from the original, the focus, the wear and tear. Film being projected looks much better, but digital is so much easier and cheaper, that it's no surprise that most cinemas go digital.

[Tarzan.]

Hey guys, I just found out that there is a "Bambi Diamond Edition Premium Package", but it seems that it is an exclusive for the Disney Movie Club members. This is the picture that I found:

http://www.planetadisney.com.br/wp-cont ... ackage.jpg

If someone has it, can you please post real pictures?