Tangled Discussion Part VI: Let the Drama continue...

[Duckburger]

"seem" being the operative word here--depends on what perspective you're looking from. Anyone who loves Pixar is obviously not going to take any criticism or disagreement about anything with the Pixar name on it as anything but unreasonable, biased, anti-Pixar, pro-Disneycorp nonsense. Which is why the atmosphere is always so hostile.

When you say things like "anyone who loves Pixar is obviously not going to take any criticism or disagreement [...]" you are the one creating a hostile evironment. That statement is made simply to cause some sort of argument. I like (most) Pixar movies and criticism is fine if it's substantial. I've been critical a lot of times when it comes to Pixar movies. But, OMGZ the Oscars are biased = not criticism, that's called stupidity.

Also, nobody's talking about the Best Animated Feature win here, which TS3 deserved to win, but the song category. But I understand it's easier to typecast people without getting into the specifics.

Someone was arguing about that a page back, and I was just expressing my opinion on the matter. And I'm not typecasting anybody (speaking of hostility). My point was, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that a lot of people are upset that Pixar wins the Best Animated Oscar a lot of the times. Then there's the "John Lasseter destroyed Disney from within"-argument I know I've heard somewhere here. It's just a generalisation I guess, just like your statement below.

Btw, I find it funny that people refer to critics, awards shows, and money-made only when it suits their argument. Any other time, awards shows are bunk, money is no indicator of quality, and critics are useless.

"people" being the generalisation here. I've actually never said that critics are "useless", so there goes that logic. Obviously a collection of 150+ film critics' opinions are going to be a good indicator whether a movie is going to be in the race to win an Oscar or not. I like the Oscars, otherwise I wouldn't watch, so obviously winning the award is important in some way to me - even though it's just a statue. And I never used money as a measure of how good something is, it was just to show that TS3 was the most popular one, which could help it get more votes (tho that didn't work for Avatar last year).

[Fairytales]

Yes....i know this has been posted before, but still.....Pinocchio

err. cool hq pic.
I enjoyed reading all those fighting comments bytheway.
I was all like

And you were all like

yeah.

[jinkinquackers]

oooh, where did you get a hq leak of tangled? send it to me please?

<b>Please refrain from talking about and requesting bootleg copies of the movie.</b>

[Fairytales]

oooh, where did you get a hq leak of tangled? send it to me please?

<b>Please refrain from talking about and requesting bootleg copies of the movie.</b>

allright,allright

[Super Aurora]

yeah.

I'm saving that image.

[HumorlessPoppycock]

Tangled: Alternate Opening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE2c9GcD ... r_embedded

...I think it would have been a great storybook feel without being bland or too basic.

If the book looked anything like Claire Keane's concept (in the Art of book) I'm sure it would've been fine.

[Disney's Divinity]

When you say things like "anyone who loves Pixar is obviously not going to take any criticism or disagreement [...]" you are the one creating a hostile evironment. That statement is made simply to cause some sort of argument.

I'm only responding the same way that you've responded. Apparently you have to put down anyone who feels differently than you as "hating Pixar for no reason." I'm not sure why it's okay for one group to speak a certain way, but not the other side. If polarizing language is going to be used, it should go both ways.

But, OMGZ the Oscars are biased = not criticism, that's called stupidity.

Nobody said it was. It was just an observation that had nothing to do with the quality of Pixar's films.

"people" being the generalisation here.

You got it.

But getting back to Tangled, when does this movie come out on Blu-Ray again? I think it was early April? For some reason I had been thinking it would be out in March like TP&TF was. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing it again, sooner or later.

To Rapunzel and Animalia, I actually like that concept of Flynn flipping through a book. For me, it would almost be combination of old Disney introductions with "new" Disney introductions, so there would almost be some kind of middle ground there.

[phan258]

But getting back to Tangled, when does this movie come out on Blu-Ray again? I think it was early April? For some reason I had been thinking it would be out in March like TP&TF was. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing it again, sooner or later.

I'm pretty sure it's coming out March 29th. I can't wait to own it!

[pinkrenata]

But getting back to Tangled, when does this movie come out on Blu-Ray again? I think it was early April? For some reason I had been thinking it would be out in March like TP&TF was. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing it again, sooner or later.

I'm pretty sure it's coming out March 29th. I can't wait to own it!

http://www.dvdizzy.com/tangled-pressrelease-0329.html

You guys <i>do</i> remember what site you're on, do you?

[Patrick]

Bear Flynn and Rapunzel. I've never seen this! Drawn by Jin Kim.

I found it on hellyeahtangled.tumblr.com and it's listed as concept art.


Also, Glen Keane on Rapunzel:

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[pap64]

:3

[phan258]

I'm pretty sure it's coming out March 29th. I can't wait to own it!

http://www.dvdizzy.com/tangled-pressrelease-0329.html

You guys <i>do</i> remember what site you're on, do you?

Okay, so, I was right. Awesome

[Goliath]

I haven’t read any Pixar-bashers in this thread. Maybe Newman-bashers at the most. Not everyone has to unquestionably accept whatever Pixar serves the academy like you do.

Excuse me? If there is one Pixar-basher, it's you. Or was that conspiracy theory about the so-called 'anti-Disney bias' (boo hoo!) of the Academy not yours? Didn't you came up with the outrageous, unsupported claim that the Academy uses the name 'Pixar' as an excuse to nominate animated films? Besides, it's well known on this forum that you have a long history of Piaxar-bashing. But of course, besides you, there were many other people who were bashing Pixar, including people suggesting they were bribing the Academy. Which is ironic, because all the success Pixar has, makes Disney money. You know, because Pixar is now part of Disney?

Btw, I find it distasteful that you have to imply that everyone that doesn't agree with you are like dogs. But I'm not surprised.

"A Pavlovian reaction" is a very normal, generally accepted term in conversations. It's not my fault that you either have a very limited vocabulary or that you don't know what the expression means. But to try to use that against me is rather pathetic.

And I don't get why everyone has to dramatize the reactions of those who didn't agree with the award. Besides DisneyJedi, nobody was "overreacting." They (and I) were just expressing understandable anger over someone who didn't deserve to win winning. Even if Menken weren't the one to win, the fact that Newman took the award is a joke.

Why is that a joke? Because you say so? Because all the Pixar-bashers who can't get over the fact that the music of Rapunzel blew say so? To say it's not the Pixar-bashers who overdramatize things, is turning the world upside down.

Seriously, let's put aside the "tune" or "melody" of Newman's song that you might like. You are actually telling me you enjoy listening to him singing? The horror!

In fact, I do like his singing. Very much, indeed. You see, a song doesn't have to be performed squeeky-clean for me to enjoy it. If the artist is being authentic and put his heart and soul in a song, it's not important that he doesn't sound like the mainstream. Newman understands how to built a song, how to phrase it and how to time it. That's what makes him a good artist.

I can see how his singing might be off-putting, at first. But once you 'get' him, you'll appreciate him. It's not easy listening, but that makes it all the more interesting. It's the same reason many people, including me, love Bob Dylan, but to a very large part of the audience (maybe even the majority) he sounds awful. And I admit, he doesn't have a nice voice. To say he sings beautifully would be a lie. But he can do anything with that voice. He can use that voice in a way few other artists can, and that's what makes his songs so beautiful. His phrasing has been unmatched, and it's part of the reason why the people who do love him, react to him so strongly. I think it's the same way with Randy Newman.

Example of Dylan's recent singing (2009): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDMCaGNtsu0

I'm sure in comparison, you'll think Newman's singing is brilliant. But once you 'get' Dylan, you see why the song is so powerful.

I DON'T NEED TO TAKE THIS FROM A BUNCH OF ASSHOLES!!!!! BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE IS ON THIS SITE!!!!! A BUNCH OF ASSHOLES WHO LIKE TO PICK ON OTHERS LIKE EVERY OTHER JERK IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dream Huntress]

I really do like Bear!Flynn design, I do get why they decided to change the charater though, if the two of them had been of the naive type the story wouldn't be nearly as entertaining as it is now. But I would for them to use this type of character in the future.

Also, I think this particular design of Bastion doesn't get enough love:

[Disney's Divinity]

Excuse me? If there is one Pixar-basher, it's you. Or was that conspiracy theory about the so-called 'anti-Disney bias' (boo hoo!) of the Academy not yours? Didn't you came up with the outrageous, unsupported claim that the Academy uses the name 'Pixar' as an excuse to nominate animated films? Besides, it's well known on this forum that you have a long history of Piaxar-bashing. But of course, besides you, there were many other people who were bashing Pixar, including people suggesting they were bribing the Academy. Which is ironic, because all the success Pixar has, makes Disney money. You know, because Pixar is now part of Disney?

If you hadn’t been reading my post with a pre-existing judgment of me, you wouldn’t have taken it nearly so seriously.

That part of my post was meant to be a separate thought, unrelated to the Pixar comments. I was not saying that Pixar didn’t deserve the awards that it’s received, but that--because the company has made good films--the academy has an excuse to completely ignore Disney like they would always have liked to. I mean, the fact that Tangled didn't even get a nomination (not that it should've won though; as I've said, TS3 deserved to win this year) shows that Disney will have to try harder to be taken seriously because of the "kiddy" image they have, even though that film was well-receive by both the public and the critics.

Maybe you should take the advice you gave Lazario, and stop psychoanalyzing people.

"A Pavlovian reaction" is a very normal, generally accepted term in conversations. It's not my fault that you either have a very limited vocabulary or that you don't know what the expression means. But to try to use that against me is rather pathetic.

You know as well as I do that Pavlov is most famous for his tests on canine reactions.

About the "pathetic" thing--that's a bit silly, considering that's the word that's always best defined you. What is it you would say? Grow up already.

Why is that a joke? Because you say so? Because all the Pixar-bashers who can't get over the fact that the music of Rapunzel blew say so? To say it's not the Pixar-bashers who overdramatize things, is turning the world upside down.

Why isn't a joke? Because you say so?

Why does all the music from Tangled blow? Because you say so?

What a hypocrite.

Anyone in this thread would know I'm hardly crazy about Tangled's music, but "I See The Light" was hardly as bad as you make it out to be.

[Ripley Eveningstar]

Also, Glen Keane on Rapunzel:

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I'm kind of curious about what looks like an anime-fied picture of Rapunzel in that studio (look in the upper right corner as the video starts)--wonder where it came from. o3o;;

What Glen Keane had to say about his daughter as inspiration I found very sweet as well. ^_^

[Sotiris]

Also, I think this particular design of Bastion doesn't get enough love:

I can't see the image. Would you mind re-uploading it to another image-hosting site?

[Sotiris]

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[Dream Huntress]

Also, I think this particular design of Bastion doesn't get enough love:

I can't see the image. Would you mind re-uploading it to another image-hosting site?

Here, it's a little big though:

[Sotiris]

Here, it's a little big though:

I cannot view anything hosted on ImageShack. It always says "domain unregistered" and it doesn't show the image. Would you mind uploading the image on another image-hosting website (e.g. tinypic, flickr, photobucket etc)?