Beauty and the Beast Discussion

[steven132]

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[Elladorine]

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Cartoon Brew has an image of the 3D cover[/img]

That Beauty and the Beast cover was fan-made a while back by someone that posts here (note that it says "Platinum" on it, I don't have a link handy . . . )

*EDIT*

Aha! I found the link! Larger versions of that cover can be seen here.

[Prince Edward]

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/wp-content/u ... bluray.jpg

Cartoon Brew has an image of the 3D cover[/img]

That Beauty and the Beast cover was fan-made a while back by someone that posts here (note that it says "Platinum" on it, I don't have a link handy . . . )

*EDIT*

Aha! I found the link! Larger versions of that cover can be seen here.

That fan-made cover made by Steve for Beauty and the Beast 3D Blu-ray is really amazing! Much, much better than anything Disney have released those past years. When fans can make so great covers, why can't Disney? Sigh...

[Elladorine]

That fan-made cover made by Steve for Beauty and the Beast 3D Blu-ray is really amazing! Much, much better than anything Disney have released those past years. When fans can make so great covers, why can't Disney? Sigh...

I totally agree! I knew the moment I saw it would be mistaken for a real cover, which has happened a few times now.

[Patrick]

Just a heads up in case anyone hasn't grabbed their copy yet... I work at Toys R Us and we had somewhere around 100 copies of the DVD Blu Ray version of BatB left. Well they were RTV'd (Returned to Vendor) last week. We now have 0... I don't know if other retailers are going to start doing this or what, but all of our bulk of BatB was taken away. Grab em now, me thinks.

[CampbellzSoup]

[sunhuntin]

the lioness on that TLK cover, who is it? im assuming its nala, but it looks more like sarabi.

love the mock up BATB cover with the birds.

[Super Aurora]

the lioness on that TLK cover, who is it? im assuming its nala, but it looks more like sarabi.

love the mock up BATB cover with the birds.

it's Nala

[disneyboy20022]

the lioness on that TLK cover, who is it? im assuming its nala, but it looks more like sarabi.

love the mock up BATB cover with the birds.

it's Nala

He forget to mention it's Nala after some botox and/or being really grumpy due to PMS ( Don't ask Nala to hunt during that period or else well the picture speaks pretty clear to me ) Either that or Nala Met Tim Curry during Rocky Horror and got inspired by the one musical number of Tim Curry being a transvestite

[toonaspie]

So is the 3D release of BatB going to be just the Diamond Edition with a 4 disc attached? I noticed they have a Digital Copy available. Does that mean they're taking out the 2nd disc from the Diamond Edition.

[Super Aurora]

it's Nala

He forget to mention it's Nala after some botox and/or being really grumpy due to PMS ( Don't ask Nala to hunt during that period or else well the picture speaks pretty clear to me ) Either that or Nala Met Tim Curry during Rocky Horror and got inspired by the one musical number of Tim Curry being a transvestite

There's a funny meme concerning Nala. Some guy draw a shitty fan art of her but thinks it's a great drawing(it really isn't) so people use it and made meme of it by posting pic of the shitty Nala in other pics of her. That blu ray cover is an example of such.

[Disney Duster]

Ever since I was younger I was bothered by something about this movie. And that thing is Belle choosing to take her father's place as prisoner of the Beast. What bothers me is she has no reason to come up with that idea. If the Beast said "I'll let him go...if you take his place", and she accepted, it would make more sense. Coming up with the idea to take his place without that makes no sense, because natural thinking would be that the Beast would only want the one who angered him to be his prisoner. Belle wouldn't know that the Beast would want her. And if the Beast told her she could take her father's place, that would not in any way diminish her choosing and making a kind sacrifice for her father.

[Musical Master]

Ever since I was younger I was bothered by something about this movie. And that thing is Belle choosing to take her father's place as prisoner of the Beast. What bothers me is she has no reason to come up with that idea. If the Beast said "I'll let him go...if you take his place", and she accepted, it would make more sense. Coming up with the idea to take his place without that makes no sense, because natural thinking would be that the Beast would only want the one who angered him to be his prisoner. Belle wouldn't know that the Beast would want her. And if the Beast told her she could take her father's place, that would not in any way diminish her choosing and making a kind sacrifice for her father.

I always assumed that since Belle was smart she would could come up with a deal like that. She saw how her father was suffering in there and that gives her the idea to trade her freedom for her father to be free himself.

[Escapay]

Ever since I was younger I was bothered by something about this movie. And that thing is Belle choosing to take her father's place as prisoner of the Beast. What bothers me is she has no reason to come up with that idea.

It's basic prisoner exchange. She's offering up her freedom (under the assumption that he'd let her go anyway, given that she did just as Maurice did and trespassed into the castle) in exchange for his imprisonment. It's an example of a classic literary trope in which shows the hero(ine) making a great sacrifice to ensure the safety of another. Just because we don't see her internal thought process to lead to her making this decision doesn't mean that she "has no reason to come up with that idea."

If the Beast said "I'll let him go...if you take his place", and she accepted, it would make more sense. Coming up with the idea to take his place without that makes no sense, because natural thinking would be that the Beast would only want the one who angered him to be his prisoner. Belle wouldn't know that the Beast would want her. And if the Beast told her she could take her father's place, that would not in any way diminish her choosing and making a kind sacrifice for her father.

I don't think so. Why would Beast want a prisoner exchange when he's already got his prisoner? Any argument that he's doing so because Belle's a pretty girl who could break the spell would not be valid, as we're forgetting that Beast would say later on "I've never felt this way about anyone." So he has no feelings to consider, neither his or anyone else's. He's still in his moody, nobody-will-love-me-because-I'm-a-monster phase. To him, everyone would turn him away, so he's better off turning them away (as evident by his harsh treatment of Maurice). At this early point in the film, he doesn't have any feelings - neither sympathetic nor romantic - for anyone. He doesn't care if Maurice is sick and dying, he's just being nasty because he can be.

Making Belle the pro-active one to suggest it not only strengthens her character, but also plants the seed within Beast to start feeling - feeling sympathy, feeling anything - again. Hence why he scoffs ("You!") and then hesitates and ponders it ("You would... take his place?"). He's seeing an example of compassion, something he's never experienced, and allows it. If the scene played out as you suggest, with Beast offering the exchange, there is nothing to be learned by him. It shows him displaying the compassion, which would not make sense for his character at such an early point within the film. Changing the scene so that Beast suggests the exchange would hurt their characterization more than help it.

Even if it would "make sense" when viewing the film as a whole, we're not dealing with the characters as a whole, we have to examine them within their journey in the story. Beast is aware of what needs to be done to break the curse. After years of isolation, he's not going to change all that when a pretty girl says "Please, I'll do anything!" after she's trespassed into his castle just like her father before her. This is why he says "There's nothing you can do." He's already set in his ways, it's Belle that brings about the change in him. That's why Belle comes up with the idea, and that's why Beast reacts to it.

Using your suggestion, which scene seems stronger dramatically?

• The Original Scene:
  Belle: But he could die. Please, I'll do anything!
  Beast: There's nothing you can do. He's my prisoner.
  Belle: Oh, there must be some way I can...wait! Take me, instead!
  Beast: You! You would take his place?
  Maurice: Belle! No! You don't know what you're doing!
  Belle: If I did, would you let him go?
  Beast: Yes, but you must promise to stay here forever.
  
  A "Revised" Scene:
  Belle: But he could die. Please, I'll do anything!
  Beast: There's nothing you can do. He's my prisoner. But I'll let him go... if you take his place.
  Maurice: Belle! No! You don't know what you're doing!
  Belle: If I did, would you let him go?
  Beast: Yes, but you must promise to stay here forever.

The former is the good, dramatic storytelling within the context of both the scene and the whole film. The latter is not. If anything, it shows how one quick line can change a character and make him inconsistent with the rest of his arc.

Albert

[Musical Master]

Ever since I was younger I was bothered by something about this movie. And that thing is Belle choosing to take her father's place as prisoner of the Beast. What bothers me is she has no reason to come up with that idea.

It's basic prisoner exchange. She's offering up her freedom (under the assumption that he'd let her go anyway, given that she did just as Maurice did and trespassed into the castle) in exchange for his imprisonment. It's an example of a classic literary trope in which shows the hero(ine) making a great sacrifice to ensure the safety of another. Just because we don't see her internal thought process to lead to her making this decision doesn't mean that she "has no reason to come up with that idea."

If the Beast said "I'll let him go...if you take his place", and she accepted, it would make more sense. Coming up with the idea to take his place without that makes no sense, because natural thinking would be that the Beast would only want the one who angered him to be his prisoner. Belle wouldn't know that the Beast would want her. And if the Beast told her she could take her father's place, that would not in any way diminish her choosing and making a kind sacrifice for her father.

I don't think so. Why would Beast want a prisoner exchange when he's already got his prisoner? Any argument that he's doing so because Belle's a pretty girl who could break the spell would not be valid, as we're forgetting that Beast would say later on "I've never felt this way about anyone." So he has no feelings to consider, neither his or anyone else's. He's still in his moody, nobody-will-love-me-because-I'm-a-monster phase. To him, everyone would turn him away, so he's better off turning them away (as evident by his harsh treatment of Maurice). At this early point in the film, he doesn't have any feelings - neither sympathetic nor romantic - for anyone. He doesn't care if Maurice is sick and dying, he's just being nasty because he can be.

Making Belle the pro-active one to suggest it not only strengthens her character, but also plants the seed within Beast to start feeling - feeling sympathy, feeling anything - again. Hence why he scoffs ("You!") and then hesitates and ponders it ("You would... take his place?"). He's seeing an example of compassion, something he's never experienced, and allows it. If the scene played out as you suggest, with Beast offering the exchange, there is nothing to be learned by him. It shows him displaying the compassion, which would not make sense for his character at such an early point within the film. Changing the scene so that Beast suggests the exchange would hurt their characterization more than help it.

Even if it would "make sense" when viewing the film as a whole, we're not dealing with the characters as a whole, we have to examine them within their journey in the story. Beast is aware of what needs to be done to break the curse. After years of isolation, he's not going to change all that when a pretty girl says "Please, I'll do anything!" after she's trespassed into his castle just like her father before her. This is why he says "There's nothing you can do." He's already set in his ways, it's Belle that brings about the change in him. That's why Belle comes up with the idea, and that's why Beast reacts to it.

Using your suggestion, which scene seems stronger dramatically?

• The Original Scene:
  Belle: But he could die. Please, I'll do anything!
  Beast: There's nothing you can do. He's my prisoner.
  Belle: Oh, there must be some way I can...wait! Take me, instead!
  Beast: You! You would take his place?
  Maurice: Belle! No! You don't know what you're doing!
  Belle: If I did, would you let him go?
  Beast: Yes, but you must promise to stay here forever.
  
  A "Revised" Scene:
  Belle: But he could die. Please, I'll do anything!
  Beast: There's nothing you can do. He's my prisoner. But I'll let him go... if you take his place.
  Maurice: Belle! No! You don't know what you're doing!
  Belle: If I did, would you let him go?
  Beast: Yes, but you must promise to stay here forever.

The former is the good, dramatic storytelling within the context of both the scene and the whole film. The latter is not. If anything, it shows how one quick line can change a character and make him inconsistent with the rest of his arc.

Albert

Albert, you have said it best.

[Disney Duster]

Why would Beast want a prisoner exchange when he's already got his prisoner? Any argument that he's doing so because Belle's a pretty girl who could break the spell would not be valid, as we're forgetting that Beast would say later on "I've never felt this way about anyone."

But don't the enchanted objects say something like "She may be the girl to break the spell" and the Beast says "Of course I've thought that!" or something?

He doesn't care if Maurice is sick and dying, he's just being nasty because he can be.

I don't think he would just let someone die.

As for the rest of what you said, it may be right.

[Musical Master]

Why would Beast want a prisoner exchange when he's already got his prisoner? Any argument that he's doing so because Belle's a pretty girl who could break the spell would not be valid, as we're forgetting that Beast would say later on "I've never felt this way about anyone."

But don't the enchanted objects say something like "She may be the girl to break the spell" and the Beast says "Of course I've thought that!" or something?

He doesn't care if Maurice is sick and dying, he's just being nasty because he can be.

I don't think he would just let someone die.

As for the rest of what you said, it may be right.

Lumiere: Master, have you thought perhaps this girl might be the one to break the spell?

Beast: Of course I have! I'm not a fool.

That's what they said to each other after when Belle is in her room.

[Disney Duster]

Oh thank you. But running Belle's idea over and over in my head still doesn't help me understand how she could come up with that. I don't understand.

[Disney's Divinity]

Albert, you have said it best.

I agree.

I think it's completely natural for Belle to think of paying the penalty for her much older father, considering he was clearly going to die if she didn't do or think of something.

[Disney Duster]

It's only her thinking that the Beast would take a person who didn't anger him over the one who did that I don't get or think is natural.

And how would she know it would appease him?

And why, if he wasn't thinking of her being the one to break the spell, would he accept her?

Why would anyone punish the person who didn't commit the crime over the one who did?

EDIT: Okay, maybe Belle didn't come up with reasonably but rather emotionally. It doesn't make a lot of sense logically, but emotionally she thought she could take his place and the Beast would emotionally take it. Wait, maybe it does make sense logically, or some other way, that she exchanges herself for him and the Beast accepts that. Maybe it makes sense the way Escapay said. And yes Escapay the way it is in the film is the best dramatically.