TSA security discussion and news stories

[ajmrowland]

I just opened this thread, so we can talk about the TSA and aiport security in general without trolling political threads.

And i wanted somewhere to post this entertaining article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-wei ... 87231.html

[dvdjunkie]

Hope that you also listen to Neal Boortz on the radio. He has a great dislike for the TSA and thinks they should be disbanded and the airlines should take over their own security problems.

[Lazario]

Don't. Trust. Anyone.

That's all I can say.

[Maerj]

TSA/Homeland Security has actually been trolling the wewontfly.com website. The guy who runs it put their names and email addresses on his site, which was down last time I tried to go there. These TSA guys have gone way too far and I refuse to fly until their 4th Amendment violating security procedures are ended.

[Goliath]

TSA/Homeland Security has actually been trolling the wewontfly.com website. The guy who runs it put their names and email addresses on his site, which was down last time I tried to go there. These TSA guys have gone way too far and I refuse to fly until their 4th Amendment violating security procedures are ended.

Good for you, but what do you do against all the other Constitutional rights that your government violates on a daily basis?

[ajmrowland]

Hope that you also listen to Neal Boortz on the radio. He has a great dislike for the TSA and thinks they should be disbanded and the airlines should take over their own security problems.

unfortunately, i dont. So, what time and what station?

As for the link i posted, the guy who wrote the article *logically* has the best idea i've ever heard for this issue, despite the inevitable huge opposition.

[ajmrowland]

TSA/Homeland Security has actually been trolling the wewontfly.com website. The guy who runs it put their names and email addresses on his site, which was down last time I tried to go there. These TSA guys have gone way too far and I refuse to fly until their 4th Amendment violating security procedures are ended.

I feel like i'm spamming now, but the article(or a commenter) points out that it's technically *not* a violation.

However, for the record, government screening of airline passengers with metal detectors isn't remotely "unconstit­utional" as Fourth Amendment protection­s operate against unreasonab­le searches--­not all searches. Also, albeit groping patdowns (promoted by the manufactur­ers of the new imaging machines to spur sales, IMHO) are distastefu­l, they're no more an "assault" of any sort than is, say, an annual physical. They're strictly consentual­, potentiall­y life-savin­g and, given new imaging technology­, entirely avoidable.

[Maerj]

Well it IS a violation when they tell you that you have to submit to whatever they say or you don't fly. Plus, the huffington post article is a satire.

But yeah you have a choice, either subject yourself to whatever they want to do or don't fly and potentially lose your money. They've stripped people, cuffed them to chairs and more. I tell you what, if I was going through security and these jerks were to try this with me or my daughter I don't think I'd be able to hold back, thus I am not flying right now. I get majorly pissed just reading the stories online about what has been happening. But anyway...

I have no problem with metal detectors and being wanded if something strange comes up. I *do* have a problem with the porno scanner and the health risks they pose as well as the highly intrusive pat down. Wewontfly.com is back up, check out some of the stories there. Its shocking what they have been putting people through.

[CJ]

TSA will never handcuff anyone to a chair. TSA does not issue handcuffs and guns to its employees, or allow the employees to carry those items, as they are not law enforcement officers. However, there are local on duty Police Officers (with handcuffs and guns) in airports, who do have the power to arrest people. TSA has no control over the Police Officers or what they do with the people they arrest.

[Maerj]

I'm looking for the article with the person tied to the chair but I'm having trouble finding it right now and have to go to bed soon.

http://wewontfly.com/

You can find plenty of articles there where people and children have been stripped and humiliated by TSA agents. People have been screamed at, had their plane tickets ripped up and more.

[ajmrowland]

Plus, the huffington post article is a satire.

yes, but one that presents a solution that would.

as for "Porn Scanner", check the defintion of "Porn"

[ajmrowland]

You can find plenty of articles there where people and children have been stripped and humiliated by TSA agents. People have been screamed at, had their plane tickets ripped up and more.

The crazy thing about the way in which we perceive others is that it tends to fool us. Kids who receive a stern talk from their parents sometimes think they're getting yelled at. Likewise humiliation is an illusion that stems from the way people perceive others.

And the TSA *is* horrible. I just think people are exaggerating a bit.

[Goliath]

Likewise humiliation is an illusion that stems from the way people perceive others.

LOL wat?!

(to channel SuperA.)

You're saying there isn't such a thing as humiliation?

[Maerj]

Plus, the huffington post article is a satire.

yes, but one that presents a solution that would.

as for "Porn Scanner", check the defintion of "Porn"

That's not my term, that is how people are referring to the scanners.

[ajmrowland]

Likewise humiliation is an illusion that stems from the way people perceive others.

LOL wat?!

(to channel SuperA.)

You're saying there isn't such a thing as humiliation?

it's an emotion of embarassment which, in turn, can be caused by things that ultimately. humiliation exists, but it's often unnecessary. like you might feel humiliated because you want to be like everyone else, but you're not, or you make a mistake in a dance routine and everyone laughs except you.

[Maerj]

Back on topic:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php ... ion-to-tsa

[Maerj]

Here's a good articles about the scanners:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46836.html

[ajmrowland]

Back on topic:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php ... ion-to-tsa

Well, now that swayed me to turn against the TSA. So horrible.

[Maerj]

Why not a positive story?

The story was in the DailyMail site, linked off of Lewrockwell.com.

Here’s the key text of the piece:

BEATING THE TSA: How a determined passenger spent hours arguing his rights before being waved through the checks

By James White
Last updated at 3:32 PM on 23rd November 2010

* Traveller misses all checks after 2.5-hour discussion
* TSA staff scared by public backlash as fliers angry

It’s the solution that millions of American airline passengers have been searching for – how to avoid bodyscanners and intrusive pat-downs when they fly.

Now one patient traveller has proved it is possible to bypass the high-level security measures in place at all airports, but only if you have time on your hands.

Blogger Matt Kernan recorded his epic experience as he returned to North Kentucky International Airport in Cincinnati from Paris on Sunday.

Exasperated at being told to prepare for a body scan and with time on his hands, the determined businessman decided to make a stand – with remarkable results.

Writing on his website noblasters.com, he said: ‘I certainly don’t enjoy being treated like a terrorist in my own country, but I’m also not a die-hard constitutional rights advocate.

‘However, for some reason, I was irked.’

‘Maybe it was the video of the three-year old getting molested, maybe it was the sexual assault victim having to cry her way through getting groped, maybe it was the father watching TSA officers joke about his attractive daughter.

‘Whatever it was, this issue didn’t sit right with me. We shouldn’t be required to do this simply to get into our own country.’

As a result, Mr Kernan informed staff he did not want to go through the infamous Backscatter imaging machine.

He was told he would have to undergo an invasive pat-down search, but again politely told staff that he would consider any contact with his genital areas as assault.

After being told that the two options were TSA policy, he replied: ‘ I disagree with the policy, and I think that it is unconstitutional.

‘As a US citizen, I have the right to move freely within my country as long as I can demonstrate proof of citizenship and have demonstrated no reasonable cause to be detained.’

As the situation escalated further airport police were called and more senior TSA officials but Mr Kernan refused to back down, remaining calm throughout.

Eventually causing a stand-off between police and TSA officers over who should resolve the situation, Mr Kernan was told by a superviser: ‘Here’s what we’re going to do. I’m going to escort you out of the terminal to the public area.

‘You are to stay with me at all times. Do you understand?’

He was then escorted by the police and no less than 13 TSA officer through security without a hand laid on him.

He said: ‘And then came the most ridiculous scene of which I’ve ever been a part.

‘I gather my things – jacket, scarf, hat, briefcase, chocolates.

‘We walk over to the staff entrance and he scans his badge to let me through. We walk down the long hallway that led back to the baggage claim area. We skip the escalators and moving walkways.’

He was then waved away by annoyed officers and said: ‘In order to enter the US, I was never touched, I was never “Backscatted,” and I was never metal detected.

‘In the end, it took 2.5 hours, but I proved that it is possible. I’m looking forward to my next flight on Wednesday.’

The passenger’s success shows that even senior TSA staff are unsure to handle awkward passengers who question the legality of the checks.

The revelation comes as TSA workers admitted they have been left terrified by a public backlash over the checks.

http://dailybail.com/home/tsa-transport ... e-sys.html

[Maerj]

Back on topic:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php ... ion-to-tsa

Well, now that swayed me to turn against the TSA. So horrible.

Well, maybe you think that's nothing since it didn't happen to you. I can't wait until you have to fly, maybe you'll be the one getting felt up or assaulted and then you can see how funny it is.

I thought you started this thread for discussing the TSA. This seemed to be the intention but it looks like you want to discuss it but cut down anyone who opposes the TSA and their unconstitutional policies. But anything against your precious TSA and you seem to want to ridicule it.