Margos wrote:Is it "THE BEST?" How about in ten years from now, when you're going on and on about how "Griin-Ray" is "THE BEST," because it's got smell-o-vision and 5000p definition? Look, I'm not saying that DVDs are the best. I'm just saying that they are good enough. I am not going to re-buy movies that I've already spent money on in a completely different format. To ensure uniformity, I also will not buy new movies in this completely different format. I say let the definition fanboys have their fun, blu-ray has its place in the market. But there are plenty of us who still see DVD as viable and reliable. Not too fancy, mind you, but certainly satisfactory. I just feel that BVHE ought to recognize this fact, and should try to persuade the highest number of customers to buy their products. Sure, there are people who want Blu-Ray, but for those of us who want DVD, it is entirely unfair to skimp on bonus features that exist and would easily fit onto the lesser format.
I cannot agree with you more Margos, plenty of people have converted to Blu, and thats all fine and dandy, but plenty of us havnt yet. Disney should see that and acknowledge it, instead of harshly aborting DVD when it hasnt even been overtaken as a whole by Blu.
I dont understand why you are being so harsh in your words SWillie!, I certainly feel Margos has made her point perfectly plainly, without being OTT or rude.
tvs arent even gonna reach 3000p. The resolution is too high to be enjoyed on a television that's not the size of your house.
Anyway, it's a preference of format. it's an OPINION. I can care for the people who complain how DVD is getting wrongfully shunned but, as an investor in Blu-ray, it doesnt really affect me. Even Blu-ray is having a hard time living up to expectations in Bonus Features.
But what it comes down to is preference. I, who have no bills to pay, got a PS3 for my 18th birthday which, at the time, was the cheapest blu-ray player out there at $400, and adopted blu-ray since it was-and is-my preferred choice of format(after HD-DVD). Since then, I really got my game on, but that's another story.
It's preference. Why not talk about the movie and bonus features rather than this? I'm more than willing to bet some blu-exclusives will end up on youtube anyway(if they arent already).......same as the opening for the D-Files from Enchanted.
Margos wrote:Is it "THE BEST?" How about in ten years from now, when you're going on and on about how "Griin-Ray" is "THE BEST," because it's got smell-o-vision and 5000p definition? Look, I'm not saying that DVDs are the best. I'm just saying that they are good enough. I am not going to re-buy movies that I've already spent money on in a completely different format. To ensure uniformity, I also will not buy new movies in this completely different format. I say let the definition fanboys have their fun, blu-ray has its place in the market. But there are plenty of us who still see DVD as viable and reliable. Not too fancy, mind you, but certainly satisfactory. I just feel that BVHE ought to recognize this fact, and should try to persuade the highest number of customers to buy their products. Sure, there are people who want Blu-Ray, but for those of us who want DVD, it is entirely unfair to skimp on bonus features that exist and would easily fit onto the lesser format.
I cannot agree with you more Margos, plenty of people have converted to Blu, and thats all fine and dandy, but plenty of us havnt yet. Disney should see that and acknowledge it, instead of harshly aborting DVD when it hasnt even been overtaken as a whole by Blu.
I dont understand why you are being so harsh in your words SWillie!, I certainly feel Margos has made her point perfectly plainly, without being OTT or rude.
Am I being harsh? I said, if you don't care about bonus features, then go buy the DVD! But if you do, unfortunately, things have moved on and you're going to have to go with Blu. Yes, it would be great if they could just release everything on every format possibly available, but that's not how things work. All I'm saying is that it's pointless to complain because they've already changed the way they do things, and they're never going to go back and release bonus-packed DVDs again. It's just not gonna happen.
I just know if a few years they'll be re-releasing Tangled in a Special 2BD edition with better bonus features, so even some Blu-ray convertees will be rebuying this movie.
VideoETA claims that they have to wait until Jan 17 to disclose the DVD release date, although they have confirmed it to be in March.
I can hardly wait for this and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (also in March) to be out on Blu-Ray!
I don't understand the problems you are talking about. If you have a HDTV already, and have a good cable or satellite system in place and watch any HD programming, then your next step is to go Blu-ray.
You don't have to rebuy your DVD's because they all play on the Blu-ray player and look really good when they are upconverted to near 1080p.
With over 6,000 titles in my collection I could not afford to go out and rebuy these films because they are now in blu-ray, that would be awaste of money and I'm totally happy with how the standard DVD looks on my HDTV.
That being said, I have 'double-dipped' some titles, and when I say 'some' titles, I mean less than 50. I have purchased the "Alien Anthology" on Blu-ray, while I still own the "Alien Quadrilogy" on DVD. I bought the "Fast and the Furious" movies (all four of them) just because at $5 apiece on Blu-ray I couldn't say no.
Blu-rays are scratch resistant, and you rarely, if ever, have the skipping issue that you have with DVD's. But for now, I will only buy those movies that I really want and are available on Blu-ray, otherwise I will continue to support the standard DVD market.
The only way to watch movies - Original Aspect Ratio!!!!
I LOVE my Blu-Ray Disc Player!
I do understand there's a lot of people not going blu yet, and I also understand why.... what I don't understand is when they say they wont EVER EVER, not in a million years will buy blurays.
But if someone's planning to buy blurays maybe in a year or two, or three or five... why not buy the combo editions they're releasing now? those have the BD version AND the DVD one as well, we all agree how awesome Sleeping Beauty looked on BD, well, if you didn't buy it, well you missed a great way to see the movie which is already out of print, as BATB and SW may be by the time you finally start to buy BDs.
I don't know if Tangled will be out of print soon or not, but this is the perfect movie to see in HD, if I had only a DVD player, I'd still buy the BD/DVD combo, cause the DVD is still there, the same DVD from the DVD edition in stores, PLUS! the glorious HD version I could watch later...
I'ts enough for this restless warrior just to be with you...
1) A deep look at all previous versions of this film, most especially Glen Keane's more faithful (and more Disney, yep!) version called Rapunzel, with the opening he made that John Lasseter said was "one of the best openings he had ever seen for an (animated?) film."
2) A look at the attempts at painterly animation, including the ballerina test, the CGI image made to look like "The Swing", the CGI image made to look like Snow White's painted forest background, and the cel shading painted outlines look.
3) Galleries showing loooooots of art.
4) The cover art of the 3D version, with the castle and lanterns in addition to the tower, except make the castle higher to match the tower more! Seriously, that art for the 3D Blu-ray is gorgeous and much better than the others!
Blu-ray.com has a release date of March 15th, 2011. I'd count this as official, since Blu-ray.com also was first to report The Social Network's Jan. 11th date, among other early (official) announcements.
Is it just me or did Tangled Whiz Out Of Theaters (Days After it's out Disney's got DVD and Blu Marketing Everywhere, Covers, and Release Dates) Not That I'm Not Doing A Happy Jig Right Now
LucilleBallFilms wrote:Is it just me or did Tangled Whiz Out Of Theaters (Days After it's out Disney's got DVD and Blu Marketing Everywhere, Covers, and Release Dates) Not That I'm Not Doing A Happy Jig Right Now
It's not exactly uncommon. Practically every major film, successful or unsuccessful, now has its home video release given detailed confirmation a good few weeks into its theatrical run. The only real exceptions these days are Christmas films, which normally have an interval of around a year between theatrical and DVD/Blu-Ray release for obvious reasons.
It's not you. It's me. You're just...so standard definition.
You've been a valuable part of the organization, don't get me wrong. 95% US household penetration, the most successful electronics product launch ever, redefining the significance of the home entertainment industry, vast amounts of content issued---really, our time together has totally rocked. But we've changed. And my needs have changed.
You've gotten kind of...cheap. You can be had for nothing. You haven't aged well. You've gotten rough around the edges.
Heck, I can get better looking content streaming on YouTube or Netflix, or over-the-air with a pair of rabbit ears. It's not your fault. But I can't go on with my free network broadcast-in-HD NFL games looking so much better than the discs I buy to keep...not indefinitely. We've tried upscaling, but that kind of...well, artificial aid---it hasn't made me feel closer to you; a lot of the time it simply highlights what we're missing. I crave *real* intimacy, detail, texture, lossless audio fidelity, reference presentation. I know, I've scandalized you. But...well, I've experimented, with high-def, okay? And of all the delivery systems, Blu-ray gives the best HD. It really does. Aw yeah.
You used to really rock my pockets, DVD. Seriously. Remember back in 2001 when we moved a million units of <i>Snow White</i> in one *day*? And back then there were only a *fraction* of DVD players out there that there are today. But those times have come and gone. You've suceeded so famously that virtually no catalog title on DVD re-release will ever sell as well as it has once before. The people have gorged on you, DVD, but now they expect everything on the menu and for cheap. They want you to put out for their $10, and if they don't like the price, you're a cinch to rent'n'rip or torrent and have for next to nothing. Admit it: we both knew we'd reached a turning point when it took a month for <i>Snow White</i> to sell a million DVD-exclusive units the last time around.
It's business. And pleasure. You know? You're just not the best piece on the corner anymore, not for me, not for the manufacturers, not for the studios, with your cheap players and your cheap movies, your cheap looks.
I mean, you had to know this was coming, right? More than 2/3 of US homes now own HDTVs---for at least *some* of their viewing, standard definition is no longer "good enough" whether they've bought into BD or not.
Yeah, BD is a minority compared to you, DVD. But it's unquestionably the best-quality and bestselling HD medium around. I'm not going to feel bad about getting better treatment---better presentation, bundled formats, more supplements---when I'm paying a premium for them.
I see how you look at me. You want me to feel like a deviant because BD's only in one of 5 US homes while you're in 19 of 20.
But this is the year we all found out who *really* buys movies...and it's the BD consumers, out of proportion to their market share---sometimes *way* out of proportion:
<i>Toy Story 3</i>:
1/3 of first week units sold were BD.
A format in only 21% the number of your households, DVD, did 33% of unit sales.
Your penetration is nearly 5 times that of BD, but you only doubled BD's sales.
Tim Burton's <i>Alice in Wonderland</i>:
37% of first week units sold were BD.
The extended edition release of <i>Avatar</i>:
50% of first week units sold were BD. That's a draw, DVD, with a format in significantly less than a quarter of your homes.
And a *pure* draw, at that---this BD release was not offered bundled with DVD.
<i>Iron Man 2</i>:
52% of first week sales were on BD.
That's a straight-up upset loss.
<i>Inception</i>:
Lord, it almost hurts to say it.
65% of first week sales were on BD.
That's what we'd call in my neck of the woods a good old-fashioned country-boy ass-whuppin': that's a percentage point away from BD outselling DVD 2:1.
Now you're crying. That's why we're meeting in public, to avoid having a scene...
But those are the cold, hard facts, DVD. You're in 19 of 20 homes, but we're talking about home media sales for 5 of the six biggest releases of the year: at best, you haven't performed up to expectations based on your market advantage; at worst, you've been outright spanked by a format that you dwarf.
We're living through the tipping point, and I'm falling apart from you, DVD.
I'm doing this now because the writing is on the wall. Last holiday season it was big deal when a day-and-date BD release could capture close to 20% of sales; this season we've seen that percentage more than triple. This time next year, when the 4th <i>Pirates</i> movie has come out on home media...I won't be able to look you in the eye, DVD.
I'll still see you around, of course...bundled as a bonus in certain BD purchases, at least. I think we'll both be happier that way.
We had the right love, just at the wrong time. I'm sorry you weren't HD. I'll always love you. You'll always be able to give me things I need I can't get anywhere else. We'll always have Platinum. Except for <i>Pinocchio</i>.
To relate somewhat more directly to the topic at hand: I can't wait to see <i>Tangled</i> on BD. I'll actually feel like I'm *seeing* it, which opportunity I do not feel was well afforded me at the theatrical presentation I attended. It was showing in 3D but we went for the flat look; the kids don't care to keep the glasses on for an entire film. I had assumed all the theatres would feature digital projection, since they had so many dedicated 3D screens, but I was mistaken. <i>Tangled</i> looked dim, blurry, and sported an amazing amount of print damage for a film that had opened less than 30 hours before I saw it.
Mr. Yagoobian wrote:But this is the year we all found out who *really* buys movies...and it's the BD consumers, out of proportion to their market share---sometimes *way* out of proportion:
<i>Toy Story 3</i>:
1/3 of first week units sold were BD.
A format in only 21% the number of your households, DVD, did 33% of unit sales.
Your penetration is nearly 5 times that of BD, but you only doubled BD's sales.
Tim Burton's <i>Alice in Wonderland</i>:
37% of first week units sold were BD.
<i>Iron Man 2</i>:
52% of first week sales were on BD.
That's a straight-up upset loss.
<i>Inception</i>:
Lord, it almost hurts to say it.
65% of first week sales were on BD.
That's what we'd call in my neck of the woods a good old-fashioned country-boy ass-whuppin': that's a percentage point away from BD outselling DVD 2:1.
While I won't dispute your numbers (even though you haven't sourced them), <i>Avatar</i>: Extended is your only example that holds any weight, since all of the other titles had DVDs bundled with their Blu-rays. You could just as easily state 100% of all copies of some of those titles sold were on DVD. Well, I don't know the breakdown on <i>Inception</i> between pure Blu-ray and Blu-ray combo packs, but I think at release date, most would be the latter. And yes obviously people are often spending a few dollars more to get the combo pack than they would be to get the DVD alone, but there's just an amazing amount of misconstruing done to pretend that Blu-ray is more popular than it is (or that it's anywhere near as popular as DVD these days). For instance, I'd be interested in second week and beyond sales comparisons.
"Fifteen years from now, when people are talking about 3-D, they will talk about the business before 'Monsters vs. Aliens' and the business after 'Monsters vs. Aliens.' It's the line in the sand." - Greg Foster, IMAX chairman and president
Sotiris wrote:Amazon.com has listed a set of special features:
Special Features
DVD
•50th Animated Countdown
I somehow missed seeing this until tonight, but I am glad to see that they are including the 50th Animated Countdown in the set! I really liked the video on YouTube and was hoping to get it in a more permanent form.
None of the details of the standard Blu-ray/DVD combo or DVD combo have been listed on Amazon yet, but is it safe to assume the same DVD copy is going in each of the releases? Meaning, if the 3D combo has the DVD with the Countdown, will they all?
The studios have to realize that sooner or later Blu-Ray will be as cheap as DVD if it hasn't been already some of the time.
It is not a premium product, it is or it should be the standard, after all, special features continue to be in SD and for other technologies like HDTVs or game consoles, handphones and Apple products when the new model eclipses the old one, the price point is about the same adjusted for inflation.
So, really, they've in a sense lost the war for the price point they so desire. Times have got exponentially tougher whilst illegal competition has increased. In a way it's good because the real shitty movies will look shittier. Before, without streaming, ripping and downloading you'd have to buy it if you wanted to watch it. Now, if the movie isn't good or if I haven't seen it, why should I pay for it when I can get it free? I will only pay for a movie that I would like to see again. Unfortunately there are now millions who would download even good movies but the studios haven't been paying attention properly. They really need to have their backup plan being pushed already whatever that may be. The physical product will probably not die because not everyone wants a digital one however those that have become accustomed to not paying have to it hammered into their brains that these aren't free.
For example they should have a program/software/site that allows people to download their movies and supplements and instead of them having to re-buy the movie for full price for redundant features, they should allow upgrades if they restore a movie and could even price special features that are worth watching. Crap like games will no longer exist because no one will pay for it and that's money saved for the studio. I can't believe that they actually can't see it is a redundant expense. Also it will allow for greater exposure of all their library and a networking based site will help more movies or rather good movies stay in consciousness so they get the required funds for restoration if they might or still need it.
I'd rather own my movies because it's much nicer to see it than a digital library but once Internet speeds hit higher and higher minimum speeds illegal downloading will only increase exponentially if there is no failsafe being brainstormed.
Sotiris wrote:Amazon.com has listed a set of special features:
I somehow missed seeing this until tonight, but I am glad to see that they are including the 50th Animated Countdown in the set! I really liked the video on YouTube and was hoping to get it in a more permanent form.
None of the details of the standard Blu-ray/DVD combo or DVD combo have been listed on Amazon yet, but is it safe to assume the same DVD copy is going in each of the releases? Meaning, if the 3D combo has the DVD with the Countdown, will they all?
Definitely. 3D Blu-Ray has not taken off. Disney won't be able to pull the shenanigans they have with the DVD market.
3DTV has no penetration especially when most people have barely or haven't upgraded to HDTVs. Also there are about what 10 titles out that aren't some sort of nature program and the majority are family flicks or specifically animated flicks and whilst good, kids are not the ones spending money and they have the least ability to differentiate between DVD and Blu.
Coupled with the fact 3D in cinemas is declining in popularity already suggests that anyone harping about 3D should shut up shop.
Luke wrote:
While I won't dispute your numbers (even though you haven't sourced them), <i>Avatar</i>: Extended is your only example that holds any weight, since all of the other titles had DVDs bundled with their Blu-rays. You could just as easily state 100% of all copies of some of those titles sold were on DVD. Well, I don't know the breakdown on <i>Inception</i> between pure Blu-ray and Blu-ray combo packs, but I think at release date, most would be the latter. And yes obviously people are often spending a few dollars more to get the combo pack than they would be to get the DVD alone, but there's just an amazing amount of misconstruing done to pretend that Blu-ray is more popular than it is (or that it's anywhere near as popular as DVD these days). For instance, I'd be interested in second week and beyond sales comparisons.
All numbers come from Home Media Magazine's weekly sales charts.
Yes, one "could just as easily state than 100% of some of those titles were sold on DVD." One could also just as easily state that every BD or DVD sold bundled with a digital copy counts as a digital copy sold. Both are factually true statements virtually bereft of meaning.
I'm certainly not passing off BD as more popular than it really is, or more popular than BD. I'm making observations about the popularity of buying home entertainment.
Yes, DVD's overall numbers fare far better than BD's---with a better than 4-to-1 install base, that's not an accomplishment worth recognizing. Whether or not *you* are particularly impressed with first-week numbers, studios *are*, for the simple reason that most titles move half or more of their total units in the first month at retail, and more copies are sold in the first week of that month than any other.
Dismissing bundled sales is tantamount to sticking one's head in the sand. The market today is vastly different from when DVD was introduced: DVD wasn't following a format found in minivans and SUVs and a billion personal computers as well as bedrooms and living rooms. Ten years ago the first-generation iPod had yet to be introduced. There was no Netflix instant queue, no YouTube, no Hulu. Today people expect to be able to watch their shows and movies anywhere, at any time, on any number of devices. Thanks to the technology that makes downloads and streaming possible---and in better resolution that provided by DVD---neither the home nor physical media are necessary for enjoying one's entertainment. One commits a grievous error in presuming BD consumers' purchasing habits are monolithic: most BD households still buy and rent more DVDs than BDs. The fact of the matter is that BD homes simply <a href="http://www.dvdtown.com/news/blu-ray-hou ... /7993">buy and rent more</a>---more packaged media, more downloads, more streaming pay-per-view/video-on-demand transactions---than DVD-exclsuive households, and that's why studios are going to offer bundles and cater to BD consumers.
Inception's first-week BD sales were triple what might have been reasonable expectations based on the format's hardware market share, virtually doubling DVD's sales with less than 1/4 of DVD's install base. The only way to misconstrue those results is to insist that a *whole lot* of people spent extra money to take home a product for which they have no hardware and in which they have no interest.
Disney Announces Plans for 15 3D Blu-Ray Releases in 2011, Including THE LION KING, TANGLED, BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and TRON: LEGACY
While the 3D format continues its move towards home entertainment with more and more titles being released on 3D Blu-ray every month, it looks like Disney is getting in on the action as well. The Walt Disney Company announced today that it plans to release at least fifteen films on 3D Blu-ray throughout 2011. Titles set to hit 3D home video include The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, The Nightmare Before Christmas, TRON: Legacy, and Tangled. Not only will the films be presented in 3D, but the special 3D Blu-ray release will come complete with 3D menus, 3D trailers, and an introduction to the world of Disney 3D from The Lion King characters Timon and Pumba. http://collider.com/disney-3d-blu-rays- ... ment-96856
Not That I'm Not Doing A Happy Jig Right Now 
