Tangled Discussion - Part V

[Tangled]

Wow. I just realized that the number of posts on this thread per day has decreased by a lot since the movie came out. I get why (all the excitment has died off and I bet there's some new movie, probably something like Winnie the Pooh or Cars 2, not Tron because that's coming out tomarrow, that all Disney fans are super excited for, which I get. I bet that most North American Disney fans watched this movie someway, either legal or not.) Still.

Anyways, if a Justin Bieber song was even nominated for an Oscar or Golden Globe I'd scream and never trust the Academy again. End of story.

[TheValentineBros]

Same here. Because Justin Bieber is awful.

[Polizzi]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61teb%2B3S6EL.jpg


http://www.amazon.com/Tangled-Two-Disc- ... -3-catcorr

Found these on Amazon.

[Sotiris]

For discussing the DVD & Blu-ray release of "Tangled", please visit the appropriate thread:

http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 12&start=0


Thank you.

[Sotiris]

More Bear-Flynn!!







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Actually, according to Jin Kim (the character designer of Flynn), Bear-Flynn's name is also Bastion. He's just another version of the male protagonist with the same name.

[Goliath]

Wow. I just realized that the number of posts on this thread per day has decreased by a lot since the movie came out. I get why (all the excitment has died off and I bet there's some new movie [...]

Too bad. The movie came out December 1st in The Netherlands and I just got to see it this night. I can see why they renamed it to 'Tangled' in the US, though. It's still named 'Rapunzel' over here. I went to go see it with a girl, so I thought she would be standing next to me when I ordered two tickets, and the personell would just assume she had dragged me to see it (while it was the other way around; I had to convince her). So I figured it wouldn't be awkward. But as soon as we get into the theater, she says she's going to the bathroom and asks me if I can get the tickets. So there, she made me stand at the counter, a 25 year old guy (surrounded by waiting teenage girls of course), and I have to ask for two tickets for "*cough* Rapunzel *cough*". Women...

On the plus side: the film was GREAT! You wouldn't expect it from the American trailer (the Japanese one that was posted on UD was much better), but this was truly a 'classic Disney' movie. It's been a very long time Disney has put out such a wonderful film. Of course it was largely an excersise on familiar territory: the Disney-fied traditional fairy tale. There were no real surprises or formula-breaking twists. One can't accuse Rapunzel of being original. This all has been true of The Princess and the Frog, which I have criticized for the exact same reasons. The difference -what makes Rapunzel succeed- is in the execution. I think PatF tried way too hard to be a 1990's musical; while Rapunzel was just its own movie. Yes, following the same recipe, but wholly natural, flowing very naturally, nothing felt forced about it. And of course it didn't have all the annoying, obnoxious sidekicks that PatF had. That film was LOUD; it hurt. Rapunzel is exciting and engaging enough without having to yell to the audience: "hey, look at us! We're a 1990's musical!"

Besides, Rapunzel has a truly good story; it's a very closely knit tale. It has the right mix of humor and emotional moments. It dares to be truly dramatic at times; adventurous at others, and outright laugh-out-loud hilarious at others. (The Snugly Duckling scene had us in stitches --and the rest of the audience as well.) The best scene, I thought, was the one where Flynn was nearly dying and he was willing to sacrifice his own life to set Rapunzel free. That was really powerful and, like when I saw Toy Story 3, for a moment I really was afraid there wasn't going to be a happy end (even though of course it's still a Disney movie!)...

But what makes the movie is of course the characters. I absolutely adored Rapunzel herself. Of course Disney manipulates us a bit by giving her those incredibly big eyes, but they walked a fine line and never overdid it (although they did come close a few times.) I had my doubts before when I read Mandy Moore would be voicing her, but she did such a terrific job. She was so believable as this girl who experiences the world for the first time. (E.g. the scene where she keeps going back and forth between being determined to explore the world, and worry she'll disappoint Gothel.) Moore has given Rapunzel an enthusiasm that is contagious. But she also dares to be vulnerable and to show she needs Flynn. He was a good character as well. Not the typical dull prince; nor the over-compensation Naveen was. Naveen changed from one extreme (the do-nothing playboy) to the other (the loving, caring hard worker). Flynn was much more natural. He didn't really need much changing. That was refreshing, and it freed the movie of having to be preachy or moralistic.

By the way, am I the only who, when they saw and heard Mother Gothel, had to think of Bebe Neuwirth (Lilith from Cheers/Frasier)?

So, all in all, Rapunzel was great in almost all aspects, but I do have a few complaints. First of all the music. It was lousy. There was not one memorable song in the film (something even PatF succeeded in giving us). The music by Menken was disappointing; the lyrics were generic and meaningless. If you're going to have a musical, the songs must contribute to the story and the characters. These songs failed to add anything. There was nothing in the songs that couldn't just be said (or hadn't already been said/shown). Instead, the songs slowed the movie down. Second complaint is the animation. Not that it wasn't done incredibly well (it had better, for $ 260 million), but it reminded me more of a DreamWorks-movie than a Disney-movie. Especially the scene and characters in the Snugly Duckling, but really everything. Disney needs to find its own CGI-touch quickly. Or maybe this is just the fate of having all studios only do CGI animation?

I didn't regret going to see this on the big screen; and neither did the girl I went with (she no longer associates 'Disney' with 'childrens movies'). And we were not the only ones; judging by the audience's reactions. While we were in the 5:40 PM showing (really the only showing, but still, that's dinner time in The Netherlands), the room was fairly full. There was much laughter, some "aaaaws" (teen girls I guess), dead silence when Flynn appeared to be dying, and when it was all over I heard several people comment on how great a film it had been.

[Scamander]

So there, she made me stand at the counter, a 25 year old guy (surrounded by waiting teenage girls of course), and I have to ask for two tickets for "*cough* Rapunzel *cough*". Women...

So what? I'm a 23 year old male and I even asked for one of the free Panini sticker albums they had in my local cinema.

[ajmrowland]

I think it goes without saying that Disney got some of their old magic back.

[Hardcore Mango]

Hey, all! Long time lurker, first time poster (thanks so much, Luke! )

Anyway, I've been following this thread for ages, and I've been so excited for Disney's version of the Rapunzel story for years, and I'm still having trouble believing it's already here and I've seen it. Twice. Yep, I really enjoyed Tangled (even with the silly name change...)! I'm thinking you guys have all said it best--it seems as if the "Disney Magic" is back! And boy, have I missed it.

My thoughts of the film? I could just ramble on and on about it...so I hope no one minds this huge block of text when I do just that . Also, if you haven't seen the film, SPOILERS, so beware!

Well, the film is far from original, as Goliath pointed out before me, and it really is a flood of cliches. But, I tend not to care about that sort of thing when judging a story--what makes it good, to me, is how it's executed (as Goliath also pointed out ). Personally, I tend not to put too much importance on the predictability of a story, or if you know how it's gonna end; if it's got great characters and catches your heart, who cares? And Tangled certainly succeeds in both.

First off, characters. Characters are what I usually put the most importance on when it comes to storytelling, because I feel a good story can't be told without a good cast of people to tell it. Tangled's characters are simply lovely. I adored Rapunzel. She was just adorable, and I loved how they made her seem so warm and real. I felt like I could really know a girl like her; she was very human and relatable, and even when the film was just beginning, I really felt for her. Particularly, I loved her conflict of breaking free or just staying in the tower as Gothel liked, and her reaction towards finally, finally seeing the lights as she had dreamed about for so long in the boat (I really, really liked that scene. Beautiful character moment for her). I also quite enjoyed Flynn, though, my biggest complaint of the film was the opening and ending, in which I found his narration rather jarring and annoying. But, Flynn really got me. He was funny and a bit of a trickster, but I don't think he was ever too "mean" at all; he always had a bit of a soft, nice-guy thing to him. The campfire scene where he admitted his insecurities, and when he told Rapunzel of his true name in the cave also made him a wonderful character with more depth, and my heart really went out for him at that point. I found his falling in love with Rapunzel incredibly cute, and it didn't feel rushed or totally unbelievable at all. Gothel I also found to be a lovely villain, just because I think she was very "human" herself. What I mean is, villains that are just evil for the heck of it never appealed to me much (such as Maleficent), and I tend to like more sympathetic, believable villains that feel like real people rather than just evil incarnate. Gothel felt like this. She was selfish and vain, like all of us probably are a little bit, and her fear of growing old and being ugly actually struck a chord with me; she was just so insecure, and how she had to keep bullying Rapunzel to make herself feel better made me feel bad for the both of them. There's a bit of debate over whether she truly loved Rapunzel or not, and I think she did; she DID want to go on a long journey to get her a birthday gift, after all, and seemed thrilled to make her favourite dinner. Though, I think Disney's Divinity brought up a very interesting point in that maybe she was holding herself back from loving Rapunzel, because if she truly loved her, she would let her go...and that would take away her Fountain of Youth. But I think she loved Rapunzel just a bit, and she did seem rather guilty about declining Rapunzel's wish to see the lights. Of course, I don't think she loved Rapunzel as much as she loved the power she possessed, but I think she was truly fond of the girl. But, moving past that, I loved how she was so over-the-top and dramatic. The part where she croaks out "Mooooother," at the end of "Mother Knows Best" cracks me up. I also think she really didn't want to be considered a "villain" or "evil", and that it all was just her selfishness that caused her to do such horrible things to Rapunzel, which makes her plight even sadder. Heh, to put it simply, I loved her as a Disney villain. Pascal and Maximus seem to be quite popular, but I wasn't as infactuated with them the first time I watched; though, on the second, I found myself loving them even more. They're both cute and funny, and I certainly wouldn't want the film without them.

But most importantly, I think the movie just had a lot of heart; "Disney Magic", if you will. While the songs aren't my favourites from Disney, when I first heard the "Healing Incantation", I actually teared up just because it was so darn magical. THAT was Disney magic, pure and simple. The "Kingdom Dance" segment is my favourite part of the film, just because I felt it was so magical and touching. When I first saw it, there was a feeling of "oh my gosh, this is so good" in my heart during that scene--something I attribute to the magic of Disney.

Sure, I didn't really care much for the look of the film (one big thing that kinda bugs me is how the characters are usually cross-eyed), and the opening and ending bug me a bit, but I truly enjoyed the film. A great Disney classic, and probably one of my favourites from the Disney animated canon. I can't wait to get it on DVD so I can see it again and again (though, is that truly the cover of the DVD? The Japanese poster really would have been a much prettier choice). In any case, it seems like Disney's going in a great direction, and I can't wait to see what they come out with next.

Also, random, I know, but I love Bear Flynn. He's so cute and looks like such a nice guy. I hope Disney has a character like that someday, because I'd probably say that sort of guy wouldn't have worked well with the story Tangled wanted to tell.

Heh, I'm totally rambling; sorry, all! I'm just so glad to finally be here!:D

[pap64]

I just realized something... Bear Flynn looks a lot like Wart's stepbrother in The Sword in the Stone! I forget his name, but the resemblance is uncanny!

[Tangled]

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Actually, according to Jin Kim (the character designer of Flynn), Bear-Flynn's name is also Bastion. He's just another version of the male protagonist with the same name.

Why am I getting a Pacha from "Emporer's New Groove" vibe from him? Anyways, considering how small and young looking I think Rapunzel looks compared to Flynn (read an interview that said he was 26, 8 years older than Rapunzel. I overlook it because I love them together so much ) I wouldn't take Bastion seriously-unless Rapunzel was bigger and looked older.

[SillySymphony]

I just realized something... Bear Flynn looks a lot like Wart's stepbrother in The Sword in the Stone! I forget his name, but the resemblance is uncanny!

Kay does NOT approve.

I guess they could be brothers, but Bear Flynn reminds me more of Paul Bunyan.

[Sky Syndrome]

Bear Flynn reminds me more of Paul Bunyan.

When the first Bear Flynn pics were posted 2-3 weeks ago, I said the same thing and wished the design would be used if Disney decided to make a animated film about Paul Bunyon. I adore the short.

[Margos]

IDK, personally, I loved the music in Tangled.... I've had "I See the Light" in my head for the past 2 days for some reason. All of the songs were great, IMHO, even though it took two listens to get used to the main version of "Mother Knows Best." They were really very pretty.

And as far as animation goes... Wow. Brilliant, absolutely. They crossed so many lines as far as what you should/should not do with computers, and did it beautifully (I mean 70 feet of hair UNDERWATER!!??) So... Yeah, no complaints at all from me. Both hilarious and classic. It's like BatB and TENG had a baby, really. Best of both worlds.

[Hardcore Mango]

IDK, personally, I loved the music in Tangled.... I've had "I See the Light" in my head for the past 2 days for some reason. All of the songs were great, IMHO, even though it took two listens to get used to the main version of "Mother Knows Best." They were really very pretty.

And as far as animation goes... Wow. Brilliant, absolutely. They crossed so many lines as far as what you should/should not do with computers, and did it beautifully (I mean 70 feet of hair UNDERWATER!!??) So... Yeah, no complaints at all from me. Both hilarious and classic. It's like BatB and TENG had a baby, really. Best of both worlds.

I also quite like the music, but I dunno...I just feel they're not quite memorable enough, or something? And I think the film sadly lacked an "it" song. I mean, I know people complain about "When Will My Life Begin?" being too "poppish", but I really enjoyed it; especially Reprise 2 (that scene is also among my favourites from the film!). "Mother Knows Best" was great, and I seriously think the "Healing Incantation" was pure magic. But none of them are quite ear worms like "Go the Distance" or "Part of Your World", I think... it took me quite a few listenings of "I See the Light" before I could even really hum it. But I agree that they're certainly not bad songs. And hey, maybe they'll grow on people. Maybe it's just nostalgia that's affecting peoples' views on the songs

Animation WAS totally beautiful. I'm shocked at what they did with her hair! The way not only her hair moved, but Flynn's and Gothel's as well was wonderful. Plus, I really loved the way cloth was animated here; it was absolutely gorgeous (the "Kingdom Dance" segment with Rapunzel's dress swishing around was amazing). And...just movement. I just loooove the way Disney does it. The way the characters move and the expressions their faces make...I just adore it. It's realistic, yet exaggerated and cartoony and just plain beautiful to look at. I personally just felt a little iffy with the "look" of the film, if you know what I mean? Like, the style it's drawn in. It just looked a bit too plastic-y, almost like the characters were toys instead of cartoons. Plus, they seemed a bit cross-eyed a lot, too. I think it's just because it's hard to capture that Disney style into CGI, so it just looked a bit awkward to me. I hope it can be improved on in the future, though.

Heh, and I guess it is a bit like BatB and TENG had a baby.

[Margos]

I think you're right about the nostalgia thing, Hardcore Mango. I think it was on the TLM DVD that Alan Menken said that he noticed that, in 1991 everyone said "BatB has OK songs, but it sure isn't Mermaid," and then in '92, it was "Well, Aladdin's songs are fine, but they aren't like Beauty's." And so on and so forth. They need a little time to enter the cultural consciousness.

[Hardcore Mango]

I think you're right about the nostalgia thing, Hardcore Mango. I think it was on the TLM DVD that Alan Menken said that he noticed that, in 1991 everyone said "BatB has OK songs, but it sure isn't Mermaid," and then in '92, it was "Well, Aladdin's songs are fine, but they aren't like Beauty's." And so on and so forth. They need a little time to enter the cultural consciousness.

Hmmm...it's kinda curious. I wonder if they'll be saying sometime in the future that "X's songs are good, but nothing like Tangled's". But (and maybe this is just me?) Aladdin, Mermaid, and Beauty each had an obvious "it" song. For Aladdin, it was "A Whole New World", for Mermaid, it was "Under the Sea", for Beauty, it was "Beauty and the Beast". I don't think Rapunzel's got an "it" song... And maybe that's affecting people's view on the music? No one song really resonated with them? I rather feel that way.

[TangledInDreams]

Wow. I just realized that the number of posts on this thread per day has decreased by a lot since the movie came out. I get why (all the excitment has died off and I bet there's some new movie, probably something like Winnie the Pooh or Cars 2, not Tron because that's coming out tomarrow, that all Disney fans are super excited for, which I get. I bet that most North American Disney fans watched this movie someway, either legal or not.) Still.

Anyways, if a Justin Bieber song was even nominated for an Oscar or Golden Globe I'd scream and never trust the Academy again. End of story.

Let me revive it for you

[Fairytales]

While we were in the 5:40 PM showing (really the only showing, but still, that's dinner time in The Netherlands), the room was fairly full. There was much laughter, some "aaaaws" (teen girls I guess), dead silence when Flynn appeared to be dying, and when it was all over I heard several people comment on how great a film it had been.

I live in the Netherlands too and went two days after the official premiere to Cinemec. I was one of 8 people in a room for 30 and nobody 'awwwed' or ,'cried' except for me xD
When the 'tear heals' scene came i was crying but the other people in the room were like: 'i have to feed the cat if i come home,' or 'oh, i wonder how the weather will be tomorrow' or 'did i finish that english essay?'
if you know what i mean. It dissappointed me that no one was touched by the film... or maybe they were too stunned to say something

[Fairytales]

You know what i thought about today when i went to get a christmas tree?
They should make a Tangled christmas special, like the Beauty and the Beast one.
It would be so fun to see Rapunzel experience the snow for the first time.
But i do think they should have it take place before the haircut
I think it would be cool to see how the long hair adapts to the snow.