Tangled Discussion - Part V

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I saw the movie yesterday and to be honest...i'm not sure how i feel..
It's definitely a good movie, but for some reason it didn't get to me?
Like something was missing..
Does that make any sense?
I've been feeling weird about it ever since i saw the movie yesterday.
Perhaps i was hoping to love the movie, but just liking it instead..
I dunno!! :(
I guess i'll just have to see the movie again at home, just me..by myself...might work..
I will write more some other time!

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Loved it and would like to see it again!
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That's cute, and she has shoes, but I wonder where Jasmine is.

Okay, according Box Office Mojo, Tangled made $49,100,000 in the 3 day weekend, but counting since Thanksgiving it's done so far $69,000,000 which is pretty good, but if estimates change, Tangled could end at the top of the box office.

But still, it's good to see it's done good business, and that they were smart enough to release after HP7, otherwise it would have been a disaster. Tangled might not be perfect but it's a good movie and I'm glad it's doing good business.
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Has anyone seen this yet...sorry if it's old... But it's still funny

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I finally got some sort of poster of Tangled for my wall, but I had to find a place, my TS3, HtTYD and ShrekFA posters take up a whole wall and most of the walls are covered by other junk :float:
Rapunzel looks weird and it's all pink but it's the best my town offers cheap :P
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Fairytales wrote:
DisneyDude2010 wrote: [color]Because he would rather die than see gothel keep her trapped in the tower.
And Gothel. And he was chained so he properly broke free?
and its a much better story :)[/color]
Now that i think of it, that actually doesn't make sense, because he easily could have cut it off right after she sings the song.. Okay i'm confused now. Can someone clear this up?
Well she PROMISED gothel that she'd stay with her if she could help him and in the beginning she told flynn that she never ever breaks a promise. So if she helped him, she would go no matter what. thats just my thought on it :) sry if this was already answered
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Looking at Box Office Mojo's report for the day, Tangled was only about $1 million behind HP7. Despite the 3D boost, that's pretty good! Looks like Disney's pretty proud of their marketing, huh?
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How much you want to bet that Disney is patting themselves on the back for the name change. Sucks but the last thing they would attribute good box office numbers to is it being a quality film (can't comment on this, as I haven't seen it). It's simpler for them to just credit (or blame, if it bombs) their marketing tactics. Hopefully the movie earns as much as it can before Tron: Legacy steals a bunch of their 3D theaters (since the inflated 3D ticket prices accounts for soo much of their revenue).

At this point, I'll probably just wait and rent this movie.
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Mobje wrote:I saw the movie yesterday and to be honest...i'm not sure how i feel..
It's definitely a good movie, but for some reason it didn't get to me?
Like something was missing..
Does that make any sense?
I've been feeling weird about it ever since i saw the movie yesterday.
Perhaps i was hoping to love the movie, but just liking it instead..
I dunno!! :(
I feel something is missing too. Maybe I had my hopes too high that Mother Gothel and her theme song and the song's visuals would really impress me like Facilier and his theme song. Maybe the characters that sung didn't put enough energy into their singing to win me over. Maybe because Rapunzel didn't at one point ride on Maximus with her hair streaming behind her and the thugs follow her on horseback like one piece of concept art showed. That looked awesome!

*shrug* It's hard to guess what could be missing after only one viewing.
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A couple more posts are up on my blog. One is about the music and the other is about the advertismnets (Trailers and Posters). Please check them out. I am astonished at the number of views my blog has gotten recently. It's truly humbling :)

Getting Tangled: Musical Splendor
http://my-castles-in-the-air.blogspot.c ... endor.html

Getting Tangled: Trailers, and Posters, and Ads, Oh My!!
http://my-castles-in-the-air.blogspot.c ... sters.html
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Mobje wrote:I saw the movie yesterday and to be honest...i'm not sure how i feel..
It's definitely a good movie, but for some reason it didn't get to me?
Like something was missing..
Does that make any sense?
I've been feeling weird about it ever since i saw the movie yesterday.
Perhaps i was hoping to love the movie, but just liking it instead..
I dunno!! :(
I guess i'll just have to see the movie again at home, just me..by myself...might work..
I will write more some other time!

Here are the German Soundtrack Samples from Amazon.de
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rh7osx
See, this is why even when I am excited for a film I try to keep realistic expectations. It sounds like you went in there expecting "THE GREATEST FILM EVER CREATED!" and when the film didn't surpass those expectations you feel odd about it.

Your biggest mistake was "expecting to love the movie". There will never be a guarantee that you will love/hate something before you actually experience it. Reviews, impressions, trailers, features, NOTHING will tell you what you think about the product until its actually in your hands.

Also, be honest with yourself. It sounds like you can't decide whether you loved the film or not. One way to gauge whether you liked it or not, point out the things you loved and the things you hated, then determine if you loved it or didn't like it.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I think it helps you enjoy movies better when you have clear ideas rather than high expectations.
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Finally got to the cinema this afternoon. Was stunned by how wonderful the film was in some ways and how it stumbled in others. Just a brief thought or two. Maybe I’ll write more later.

The strengths centered around humour, Pascal and Maximus were much stronger characters than I expected. Generally, the humour was tasteful and classic feeling, not cynical, jaded, or irreverent (Ă  la Shrek).

I also enjoyed the fairly strong characters of Rapunzel, Gothel, and Flynn. Perhaps because I went in with such low expectation after reading so many reviews, but I actually thought that Flynn’s character was extremely deep and well-developed.

Gothel is already classic. Easily the strongest villain since Mermaid.

Nevertheless, there were some ways the film could have been improved.

The biggest is the music. Not that I don’t enjoy the musical numbers, but they certainly don’t hold up to a classic like BatB. There are several reasons for this.

1) The pop version of “When Will My Life Begin” was a terrible choice. An opening number blending Rapunzel’s desire for her life to begin, Gothel’s desire to keep Rapunzel hidden, Flynn/Stabbington Bros desire for wealth, and the Kingdom’s desire to have their princess return in a classic Broadway opening (like Belle from BatB or Fathom's Below/This Is Where I Belong from TLM on Broadway) would have been a much stronger, much more compelling, and MUCH more entertaining opening.

2) The edit to “Mother Knows Best” and the deletion of “When Will My Life Begin (Reprise I)” were also unwise decisions. The deleted part of Gothel’s song highlights her conniving, controlling nature as well as the fact that she’s actively lying to Rapunzel. The deletion of WWMLB (I) severely dampened the emotion of Rapunzel watching Gothel leave. That scene should have been so much stronger.

3) When compared to the Fab Four, Tangled features a scant amount of songs to begin with (really only 4 songs plus 2 reprises and the very short “Healing Incantation”). Compare that to Mermaid (6 plus 3 reprises and the very short “Daughters of Tritan”), Beauty (6 plus 3 reprises and “Human Again”), or Aladdin (5 plus reprises). Additionally, the songs in Tangled aren’t used to launch the story forward, as in past Disney musicals, and they all feature Rapunzel, which is interesting in that it keeps the attention on the leading lady but does seem to jilt other characters out of development.

4) The Kingdom Dance sequence was beautiful, but I think it would have been more emotional had it been overlaid with a lyrics (even some in the background). Additionally, having the king and queen silent was an interesting idea, but they could have been so much deeper if they had musically expressed their desire for their long-lost daughter and/or the joy at her return.

I honestly thing that the situation with the songs either reflects the shortcomings of the film or it may actually be the reason for some of the shortcomings.

The story also suffered from some holes. Some have already been mentioned on the board, but was anyone else confused by Gothel’s motivation for the entire last 20-30 minutes? She was able to activate the hair’s magic by singing when Rapunzel was a baby, why couldn’t she when Rapunzel was older? And if that’s the case, why bother with trying to convince Rapunzel to leave with her? Just keep her locked up forever and use her hair whenever needed…


Anybody else interested to see if Disney will release some type of Special Edition director's cut including the cut musical queues?

Nevertheless, I think the film was definitely the strongest we've had in years from the Disney studios. As a film, it's better than anything since Hunchback (in my opinion), but in staying power and hopes for being viewed as a classic in 50 years, I would probably say this is the strongest Disney film since The Lion King.

Now... If we could just
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^well I think that was what she was planning to do, lock her up and just use her, but having raised the poor girl she wanted to make peace with her, as she did have feelings for the girl after all. the whole 'leave with me' thing was proposed by Rapunzel
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Re: the climax of the movie---SPOILERS HERE: I've been mulling over the debate going on regarding Flynn cutting Rapunzel's hair....what with the (not invalid) argument people are making about letting Rapunzel heal him first, then cutting it. First of all, Gothel had already made sure he couldn't get up and try to save Rapunzel by chaining him up. What would have happened if Rapunzel -had- healed him first? She would be honor-bound to leave with Gothel immediately, and if she didn't, Gothel could (and would) stab Flynn again.

Also, Flynn had no way of knowing that Gothel would instantly begin to wither after the hair was cut---he knew it lost its power upon getting chopped and that Gothel wanted that power, but I don't think he nor Rapunzel realized that she would die right away if the source of her unnaturally long life was destroyed. To him, it probably seemed as though if he waited too long Rapunzel would be dragged off and he would never see her again, knowing the whole time she's been enslaved by Gothel...that, or Gothel might have lived long enough to kill him and/or Rapunzel out of spite. It's also possible he wouldn't have been able to escape the chains without help---I wouldn't put it past Gothel to make sure Flynn died even after Rapunzel had healed him (although I also wouldn't put it past Flynn to be able to find a way to escape the chains. He is a master thief, after all). He just couldn't take chances.

And honestly, I think Flynn did Rapunzel a huge favor by cutting her hair. If it's already 70 feet long by her 18th year, can you imagine how long it would be when she was 25? 30? 45? (Someone with math skills can probably factor out the growth rate and provide actual numbers, haha!) It would be a terrible burden, physically and otherwise---she'd be pressed into service healing everyone who knew about her, and be threatened with kidnapping constantly.
But most of all, it's just more dramatic and romantic the way it is! Flynn's growth as a person is summed up in one selfless swipe, and I love it.

Just my two cents. 8)
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You guys should see this page from the little golden Tangled book!
There are mild spoilers about Flynn. But it's very cute.
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i wonder how controversial it was to cut rapunzel's hair so short and turn it brown to the heads and marketing people!

i mean, besides the beast has there ever been a character who's physical appearance has changed so drastically!?

especially because rapunzel's long golden hair is such an iconic thing, and was used heavily in the marketing of the movie, and little girls surely must have loved it; which equals many marketing opportunities

i imagine there must have been many heavy discussions about it
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miklc wrote:
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Wow so this is how Rapunzel is going to look on future Disney Princess merchandise then
I feel like pointing out that Rapunzel DOES easily translate into CGI, and that it is possible to draw her like that, so she's fits in with all Disney princesses
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skyler888 wrote:i wonder how controversial it was to cut rapunzel's hair so short and turn it brown to the heads and marketing people!

i mean, besides the beast has there ever been a character who's physical appearance has changed so drastically!?

especially because rapunzel's long golden hair is such an iconic thing, and was used heavily in the marketing of the movie, and little girls surely must have loved it; which equals many marketing opportunities

i imagine there must have been many heavy discussions about it
well in the original story Rapunzel getting her hair cut is a big part but I am honestly surprised that her hair was cut so short in this. I was expecting her to get a hair cut in the film but I thought it would at least be Belle length.
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skyler888 wrote:i wonder how controversial it was to cut rapunzel's hair so short and turn it brown to the heads and marketing people!

i mean, besides the beast has there ever been a character who's physical appearance has changed so drastically!?

especially because rapunzel's long golden hair is such an iconic thing, and was used heavily in the marketing of the movie, and little girls surely must have loved it; which equals many marketing opportunities

i imagine there must have been many heavy discussions about it
It makes me curious about all the various princess stories Rapunzel will no doubt be a part of. Will they all just be set before her Important Haircut, or will they just ignore that? At least Belle and the Beast had a winter for stories to be set in during the film.
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I guess all the stories will be set before Rapunzel met Flynn. When she was in the tower.
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