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Post by **Luke** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 3:59 pm

Prince Phillip, waiting three more months to see it within the rest of the movie is going to leave you rather disappointed, I think.

Prince Phillip · Post by **Prince Phillip** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 6:44 pm

Possably, but I don't hold high hopes for it now...

Maybe that will allow me to enjoy more, when it does come out...

Joe Carioca · Post by **Joe Carioca** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 7:35 pm

Prince Adam wrote:I agree, but I would have rather seen "Human Again" as a bonus feature (not included in the film), much like "Music in Your Soup" on the Snow White DVD. I'm sure no one would ever dream of adding the soup sequence to Snow White.

Actualy, Disney thought about puting "Music in your soup" back into the film, finishing the scene using the CAPS system. I read Andreas Deja was involved in the project. Then, they would rerelease "Snow White" in theaters, as a Special Edition.
Thanks God, they quit the project, and decided to release the film directly on DVD.

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 10:49 pm

that sould have love to see that! just how they would replicate snow white's art. very interesting.

Prince Adam · Post by **Prince Adam** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:41 am

I admit, I'm sure I would have gone to see it, but...Snow White would probably end up looking just as strange as Belle did in Human Again (SW isn't the most attractive heroine to begin with-I really don't like the whole "skin white as snow" thing).

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:51 am

Yeah, doesn't the whole "White Skin" thing normally mean you're dead!

Prince Adam · Post by **Prince Adam** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 6:08 am

I know!!!!! I was always freaked out by her skin! I hated that she was sooooooooo pale!

Tascar · Post by **Tascar** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 7:42 am

MickeyMouseboy wrote:that sould have love to see that! just how they would replicate snow white's art. very interesting.

Well, they probably wouldn't really have to if they were somehow able to use the line animation that was finished for the scene. Then they'd just have to paint the art in a way that matches the original.

For me the whole thing with this revisionist Disney films is that there's clearly a difference between reinserted something that was at one point considered for inclusion in the actual film (as in the case of Human Again) versus inserting a scene for the sake of it (as in The Morning Report).

For me, Human Again does not bother me except for the parts that were clearly not part of the original concept (if we were to take the storyboard on disc 2 for face value). In my opinion, the parts that were not part of the original stuck out from the rest of the movie like a sore thumb, especially the whole intro with Cogsworth practically smashing the rose with his baton. Not only was the humor very forced and barely funny, but the humor just seemed out of place compared to the rest of the film. The parts that, from the storyboard, were from or heavily based on the storyboard worked fine and gelled nicely with the original film. I can very easily deal with just the Special Edition except for the windows/furniture smashing sounds that they added to the sound mix. That was a mistake.

Then there's The Morning Report, a nicely little ditty and "introduction" number for Zazu, which works fine in the musical with the longer version of the song and the way Julie Taymor worked out the scene. But in the context of the film, eliminating the intro to the song and the ending chorus just makes for a pathetically short and pointless number. The inclusion of this song just ruins a great scene me and given Beauty and the Beast's track record, I doubt the "original" version of The Lion King will be properly presented to us.

In many ways, it's easy to add a scene like Human Again, which is just inserted between two existing scenes as opposed to The Morning Report, which would have to replace an existing scene. I admit that I am a big fan of the reprise of Be Prepared (which is on the laserdisc box set of The Lion King but NOT on the DVD) but while I would be interested in seeing this restored in the film, I did like the way they did the whole Scar-assumes-the-throne scene that I would not feel it appropriate to restore the scene now.

On the other hand, I'll be really happy if they restore "If I Never Knew You" to Pocahontas.

Prince Adam · Post by **Prince Adam** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:24 am

That would be great! And if they did add "If I Never Knew You", it's kind of an exception to what we've been talking about considering that scene was fully animated and cut at the last moment.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:34 am

Prince Adam wrote:That would be great! And if they did add "If I Never Knew You", it's kind of an exception to what we've been talking about considering that scene was fully animated and cut at the last moment.

But it was cut for a reason. It didn't play well with the test audiences (and the creators felt is slowed the story down). Why should be play any different now?

Tascar · Post by **Tascar** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 9:47 am

2099net wrote:But it was cut for a reason. It didn't play well with the test audiences (and the creators felt is slowed the story down). Why should be play any different now?

While I definitely agree with you on no revisionist cinema, I really got the feeling from all the information we know about the song and reasons it was cut (alot of it from the Pocahontas LD set) that this was a scene that the filmmakers were very reluctant and unwilling to cut. They even mention on the commentary that in retrospect, the film would have probably benefitted from this scene.

Granted that this is just my personal speculation. It's just that so much of the stuff that you get from the filmmakers is radically altered and changed. If we were to take the Company's word, then the whole Kingdom of the Sun/The Emperor's New Groove fiasco never existed. And we all know how crazy Disney execs are over test-screening results. So yeah, I really don't know if the scene should be added in or not. But I would personally want it to be added: I think it added more to the relationship between Pocahontas and John Smith and I love the reappearence of the whole Pocahontas looking down into the river reflecting Kococum except this time with John Smith visual theme.

Anyway, I think it's certainly a more welcome addition than The Morning Report. I can't wait to see what wacky addition will be made to Aladdin.

Anyway, I'm going to shut up here before I bring this topic off-topic too. Off to the off-topic board.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 10:00 am

The LD supplements are on the UK Pocahontas DVD. Watching them I got the impression that it was like Beauty and the Beast's "Human Again". They loved the song, they wanted to keep it, but didn't know exactly how or when to include it - being as the story was moving so fast at this time.

Most trims are made due to pacing - watch any DVD with commentary on the deleted scenes and its the number one reason for removing the scene. I don't think that there was a Disney Company conspiracy over Pocahontas.

I don't know if they made the correct decision or not. Sometimes less is more - "Hunchback" could certainly do with loosing "A Guy Like You" for while the animation is good (I'm indifferent to the song), but it does stop the film dead and is totally inappropriate considering the plight of Paris at this time in the story.

When all is said and done, they could finish the animation for "If I Never Knew You" and release it as a supplement. I personally don't think that it needs to be added back into the film. As it's a song (although one which has a narrative) it can exist in isolation and still carry the bulk of it's impact and weight. In some respects, I probably would prefer the pencil roughs and storyboard sequences more than I would enjoy it if it was added complete into the film.

Prince Adam · Post by **Prince Adam** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:49 am

I thought that Disney cut "If I Never Knew You" because the kids in the test-screening were too bored during the sequence. Disney has to remember that they're making movies for the entire family-just because the little kids have short attention spans doesn't mean we should be deprived of a great song. And now Pocahontas and John Smith don't have a love song-every Disney couple needs a love song.

Prince Phillip · Post by **Prince Phillip** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:43 pm

Prince Adam wrote:I thought that Disney cut "If I Never Knew You" because the kids in the test-screening were too bored during the sequence. Disney has to remember that they're making movies for the entire family-just because the little kids have short attention spans doesn't mean we should be deprived of a great song. And now Pocahontas and John Smith don't have a love song-every Disney couple needs a love song.

Agreed

Prince Adam · Post by **Prince Adam** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:26 pm

I'm so glad I've finally found a place where not only can I discuss Disney with people, but a lot of them share the same opinions! That makes things a lot easier (thanks Prince Philip!) and eliminates a lot of conflict.

Prince Phillip · Post by **Prince Phillip** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:32 pm

Well, Mourning Report may have been a big flop, but I still hold high hopes for Aladdin. There is no reason we should expect crap for this one. Besides Menken, worked on BATB, and made sure whatever song they did (Human Again) was what he wanted it to be. I put my faith in him that he will do me justice with Aladdin, and the Little Mermaid.

Prince Phillip · Post by **Prince Phillip** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:34 pm

Prince Adam wrote:I'm so glad I've finally found a place where not only can I discuss Disney with people, but a lot of them share the same opinions! That makes things a lot easier (thanks Prince Philip!) and eliminates a lot of conflict.

Oh, and Prince Adam, I'm glad I could help

, you seem to be one of the people I have the most in common with on this board

.

Prince Adam · Post by **Prince Adam** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 2:35 pm

Oh I hope they don't add anything to Little Mermaid or Aladdin. Let's just see the deleted scenes as a bonus on a second disc.

And yeah-thanks for having the same opinions as me (I'd insert an emoticon here but they don't work for me)!!!!!

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:16 pm

i hope they put back If i never Knew you too!!!

Joe Carioca · Post by **Joe Carioca** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:20 pm

MickeyMouseboy wrote:i hope they put back If i never Knew you too!!!

Me too... I think the sequence and the song are great.

Uh, love this funny icons...

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