Why do YOU love Beauty and the Beast?
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Why do YOU love Beauty and the Beast?
Well?
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Dude, where was the popcorn option?
Anyway, time for a serious answer now.
Animation wise, it's most certainly not the best film. Don't get me wrong, the animation is still good, but the tighter production schedule and budget restrictions probably led to a few issues; Belle's face is a bit off in places and the townspeople look a bit rushed in terms of design. Equally, I would say that the film could have been pushed more visually; the backgrounds lack the mystery of Hans Bacher's original designs, and the costumes of the characters don't match with each other era wise. However, what really makes the film work is the fact that the original short story is taken and reconstructed to work as a feature film, without removing any of the story's deep importance at heart. The Beast in particular is made a truly profound, easy to understand character and the use of music and songs is particularly effective (the songs are some of cinema's best). There are some wonderful, iconic moments; the prologue, the ballroom dance, Belle walking through the town on market day, Belle's entry into the West Wing and initial attempt at escape, among others.
And the exact colours? Pass me the milk buds...
P.S. I did actually go for the "Milk Buds" option, but I really should have gone for this option: "Because of UD, I know more (mis)information and fan conspiracy theories about colors than I ever cared to know. But I still love Beauty and the Beast!"

Anyway, time for a serious answer now.

And the exact colours? Pass me the milk buds...
P.S. I did actually go for the "Milk Buds" option, but I really should have gone for this option: "Because of UD, I know more (mis)information and fan conspiracy theories about colors than I ever cared to know. But I still love Beauty and the Beast!"
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Dude, I did the exact same thing.Wonderlicious wrote:And the exact colours? Pass me the milk buds...
P.S. I did actually go for the "Milk Buds" option, but I really should have gone for this option: "Because of UD, I know more (mis)information and fan conspiracy theories about colors than I ever cared to know. But I still love Beauty and the Beast!"

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Gaston. That's why I like the movie.
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I don't love Beauty and the Beast (I can see Milk Buds flying at me).
My Dad says I wore out the first VHS and the one I sold in anticipation of the Diamond Edition was actually our replacement copy. With each viewing I like this movie less and less. It's not the colors, as I don't waste my time watching the new versions, but a combination of other things. I guess it's just in my nature now (since I became a film buff a few years back) to break down movies and over analyze things. I just can't shut off my brain as easily I used to and ignore the faults like I did when I was a child (but I wish I could). This is the same reason I can't enjoy The Princess and the Frog as much as others on here can.
All this doesn't mean I don't like it, just that don't love it anymore.
Note: The shoddy animation really frustrates me at times :/
My Dad says I wore out the first VHS and the one I sold in anticipation of the Diamond Edition was actually our replacement copy. With each viewing I like this movie less and less. It's not the colors, as I don't waste my time watching the new versions, but a combination of other things. I guess it's just in my nature now (since I became a film buff a few years back) to break down movies and over analyze things. I just can't shut off my brain as easily I used to and ignore the faults like I did when I was a child (but I wish I could). This is the same reason I can't enjoy The Princess and the Frog as much as others on here can.
All this doesn't mean I don't like it, just that don't love it anymore.
Note: The shoddy animation really frustrates me at times :/

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Why do YOU love Beauty and the Beast?
First, why wasn't there an "I love the art" option? I think that would have been my vote, though I also love the story.
Second, the Beauty and the Beast Platinum thread is a testament to the film's love. Even though it's so much about colors, they are talking about the colors because everything in the movie is important and special to them, no? Even the last, tiniest details, especially since details often make things finely tuned into perfection or masterpieces.
About the animation, though...the animation is good in what it is telling you, even if it's not the best technically. What I mean is, take the ballroom. The characters wouldn't have to be perfectly drawn for us to be amazed at what the animation represents, what is moving, what is happening. Same with the animation in "Bell" and all the rest. And that is why I think the animation really is some of the very best.
jpanimation, first...I am not trying to start any debate or anything, I am just talking to you because I want you to be happy and get what you want. Okay, I am wondering, did you know what it seems really happened with Beauty and the Beast is that when they transferred it to film, it didn't look like how they really intended it? So actually, what we saw in theaters was, in a way, not the original colors (as on the computer screens), and it certainly was not the original intent. But now, they feel it is.
So it's basically the original theatrical version vs. the original theatrical intent. Yes, they should make the original theatrical version available to us, and that is the one I would most want, but at least the original intent version is available on the Diamond Edition.
Next, the whole analyzing, not shutting off your brain thing. I recently went through such a low point in my life where I over-analyzed everything and became depressed over it, I finally told my brain to shut up when I want it to and it did. Because I realized that what my brain was saying was not necessarily even "right". Just because one person thinks a film is bad because of such and such, doesn't actually mean it is bad.
But, I don't know, I'm wondering if there's any films now you think are perfect. And you don't even have to, because if you want to make your own films, it's good to think of how you could make things better. But hopefully you can also see "well, for that person's vision, it is about as perfect as you can get".
I hope that you do learn to analyze when you want to and stop when you don't want to. I think nostalgia and fuzzy memories do help, also, in letting them take you over. Because if you think about it, liking a film because of nostalgia is actually probably a good way to look at the film more accurately, because you are not looking at it cynically or with the ideas of how a film should be. I mean, it's not like you enjoyed everything you ever encountered when you were a kid, nostalgia is made because something was good enough to become nostalgia in the first place.
Well, uh, yea, so, I hope you get better with this issue.
Second, the Beauty and the Beast Platinum thread is a testament to the film's love. Even though it's so much about colors, they are talking about the colors because everything in the movie is important and special to them, no? Even the last, tiniest details, especially since details often make things finely tuned into perfection or masterpieces.
About the animation, though...the animation is good in what it is telling you, even if it's not the best technically. What I mean is, take the ballroom. The characters wouldn't have to be perfectly drawn for us to be amazed at what the animation represents, what is moving, what is happening. Same with the animation in "Bell" and all the rest. And that is why I think the animation really is some of the very best.
jpanimation, first...I am not trying to start any debate or anything, I am just talking to you because I want you to be happy and get what you want. Okay, I am wondering, did you know what it seems really happened with Beauty and the Beast is that when they transferred it to film, it didn't look like how they really intended it? So actually, what we saw in theaters was, in a way, not the original colors (as on the computer screens), and it certainly was not the original intent. But now, they feel it is.
So it's basically the original theatrical version vs. the original theatrical intent. Yes, they should make the original theatrical version available to us, and that is the one I would most want, but at least the original intent version is available on the Diamond Edition.
Next, the whole analyzing, not shutting off your brain thing. I recently went through such a low point in my life where I over-analyzed everything and became depressed over it, I finally told my brain to shut up when I want it to and it did. Because I realized that what my brain was saying was not necessarily even "right". Just because one person thinks a film is bad because of such and such, doesn't actually mean it is bad.
But, I don't know, I'm wondering if there's any films now you think are perfect. And you don't even have to, because if you want to make your own films, it's good to think of how you could make things better. But hopefully you can also see "well, for that person's vision, it is about as perfect as you can get".
I hope that you do learn to analyze when you want to and stop when you don't want to. I think nostalgia and fuzzy memories do help, also, in letting them take you over. Because if you think about it, liking a film because of nostalgia is actually probably a good way to look at the film more accurately, because you are not looking at it cynically or with the ideas of how a film should be. I mean, it's not like you enjoyed everything you ever encountered when you were a kid, nostalgia is made because something was good enough to become nostalgia in the first place.
Well, uh, yea, so, I hope you get better with this issue.

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I wouldn't feel too bad about it if I were you. Yeah, the feeling of no longer loving something you held dearly can be painful, but on the bright side it means that you are gaining a new vision and perspective on something, and that to me is a healthy thing to do. It shows maturity and that you are willing to accept new ideas.jpanimation wrote:I don't love Beauty and the Beast (I can see Milk Buds flying at me).
My Dad says I wore out the first VHS and the one I sold in anticipation of the Diamond Edition was actually our replacement copy. With each viewing I like this movie less and less. It's not the colors, as I don't waste my time watching the new versions, but a combination of other things. I guess it's just in my nature now (since I became a film buff a few years back) to break down movies and over analyze things. I just can't shut off my brain as easily I used to and ignore the faults like I did when I was a child (but I wish I could). This is the same reason I can't enjoy The Princess and the Frog as much as others on here can.
All this doesn't mean I don't like it, just that don't love it anymore.
Note: The shoddy animation really frustrates me at times :/
Like I always say, movies are a matter of perspective, and what might be something significant to someone it might not be so for others.
As for me, I love the movie simply because its great. I agree that the animation quality can be uneven, but when it decides to be great it is GREAT. Examples are the ballroom scene and the Be Our Guest scene. They both display classic Disney showmanship and quality.
Speaking of which, the music is fantastic. I would say that out of all the Disney musicals Beauty and the Beast's is more characteristic. What I mean is that the music plays a bigger role in the story to the point where it has an amazing presence. I simply can't imagine the movie without the music. In fact, it would be pretty damn dull!
Going back to the story and characters, I like them too. I know this has been debated for YEARS and people have different views on them so please bear with me. Both Belle and Beast and complex characters. Sure they are not amazing characters rich in psychological ideas and make the characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion look like happy, normal people, but there are a lot of subtleties that I really enjoy.
Beast is kind of underrated as a male character. I say this because he displays some mannerisms that are common in men, especially when they are depressed after a painful breakup. Beast is in a way a parody of how men perceive themselves as: tough, angry and rebellious monsters who are hurt by the simplest concept of all: love.
My best friend was a lot like Beast back before he met his current fiance. He would constantly express anger and frustration while trying to hide his pain under a strong presence, but would be really heartbroken over love, to the point where he stopped believe in love and that it was too late for him to love once more.
This is very different from other Disney male characters where they either idealize love to the point of exaggeration, or they just care more about the sexual side of love rather than the feelings involved. Beast is a tortured soul, punished by his lack of love and requiring love to be happy again. His punishment ultimately becomes his salvation.
And the ending? It makes me cry buckets every time. Even as a kid without any knowledge of the English language I would cry my eyes off every time I saw it (and was made fun of because of it...). Using fridge logic, Beast wasn't stabbed in a vital part of his body, and he wouldn't die right away. For that to happen he would have need to bleed excessively.
... But in terms of drama? WOW. I mean, the music, the animation, the way Beast and Belle talk to each other, it all leaves such a strong impact, with Up's Married Life rivaling it.
It all goes back to what I was saying about Beast being the strong weak guy. He was in pain and was definitely sad, but he was trying to hide it all with the belief that maybe it was better for him to die than to keep living as a beast or to keep emotionally hurting Belle. Then when he says "At least I got to see you one last time", it showed that to him his life was complete, he got to see Belle before he died. Maybe it's just me, but many guys often say that they just want their women besides them when its time to part of to another realm of existence. It's a simple wish that hits you really hard when you hear it.
In short, the ending in Beauty and the Beast feels real, despite some logic issues here and there. The delivery of the lines along with the music and the animation makes it one of my all time favorite Disney scenes.
I know someone will debate this to death, so I will grab some popcorn and milk buds and just enjoy the show.

Actually... If I liked this movie, I would say the reason is Gaston as well. He's the only cleverly written, funny, amusing character here. He's kind-of cliched... but so is everyone. And at least his set-ups were great. It's not his fault (or the people who really are responsible for the funny things he says) that no one was able to match him. I've already sung his praises here, but seriously, these two lines really crown him as the only good thing about the movie:
"I use antlers in all of my DEcoraTING!"
"And every last inch of me's covered with hair!"
As a matter of fact... He's such an entertaining character, it makes the movie all the weaker that Belle, Beast, Maurice, and the staff of the castle can't keep up.
"I use antlers in all of my DEcoraTING!"
"And every last inch of me's covered with hair!"
As a matter of fact... He's such an entertaining character, it makes the movie all the weaker that Belle, Beast, Maurice, and the staff of the castle can't keep up.
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I would agree with what Lazario says about Gaston. His vanity and selfishness make him far more believable as a human being I always thought. He's a thug, but there are times, especially during the fight with Beast, where the bravado slips and his cowardice is shown. It's a strange thing to say but I like that he stabs the Beast from behind; what I mean is it's such a cowardly and underhand thing to do but it shatters the illusion he has put the audience under that he is a fearless hunter who everyone blindly idolises. It sort of showed the true monster of the two characters.
We're not going to Guam, are we?
I don't see that our opinion of him changing has anything to do with the Stupid Mob of Townspeople. They still blindly idolize him and because of Belle, we're meant to think him a baffoon- so it doesn't matter that he walks tall and fights small. I wasn't commenting on his menace at all. That was just cliche they brought out to try and up the intensity level of their finale. It's of zero consequence whatsoever. The thing about Gaston that makes the impression on us is all the stuff we see of him before the scene where he makes the deal with the guy who runs the asylum / madhouse. That's the Gaston of Disney Legends. The rest is stock formula. Any Disney villain would have done the same thing in that position in 1990/1991.DisneyAnimation88 wrote:I would agree with what Lazario says about Gaston. His vanity and selfishness make him far more believable as a human being I always thought. He's a thug, but there are times, especially during the fight with Beast, where the bravado slips and his cowardice is shown. It's a strange thing to say but I like that he stabs the Beast from behind; what I mean is it's such a cowardly and underhand thing to do but it shatters the illusion he has put the audience under that he is a fearless hunter who everyone blindly idolises. It sort of showed the true monster of the two characters.
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Lazario wrote:Actually... If I liked this movie, I would say the reason is Gaston as well. He's the only cleverly written, funny, amusing character here. He's kind-of cliched... but so is everyone. And at least his set-ups were great. It's not his fault (or the people who really are responsible for the funny things he says) that no one was able to match him. I've already sung his praises here, but seriously, these two lines really crown him as the only good thing about the movie:
"I use antlers in all of my DEcoraTING!"
"And every last inch of me's covered with hair!"
As a matter of fact... He's such an entertaining character, it makes the movie all the weaker that Belle, Beast, Maurice, and the staff of the castle can't keep up.
OF COURSE!
Unlike the other characters, Gaston is a MAN. A MANLY MAN. He knows where wimmins are suppose to belong(in the kitchen).
Belle was a fool for not marrying him. Silly woman.
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The music and the artwork.
My only complaint about the animation is what others have said, Belle going off-model too many times and her movements are really sloppy at some points. But as far as the background goes, it's consistently eye-popping. Always detailed. People always praise the design of the castle but the outdoors is just as impressive (the village and the woods).
My only complaint about the animation is what others have said, Belle going off-model too many times and her movements are really sloppy at some points. But as far as the background goes, it's consistently eye-popping. Always detailed. People always praise the design of the castle but the outdoors is just as impressive (the village and the woods).
This goes into my passage of time complaint. It is implied that a lot of time went by when Belle was at the castle. But it all goes by so fast you wonder what happened.Scarred4life wrote:I love most things about this movie. The animation, the characters, and songs. The only thing I have with this movie is that it seemed the Beast's and Belle's relationship went a bit too fast. One minute they hated each other, the next they were in love.