Annoying Disney formula... loss of a parent

[tightlacedboots]

weird tone, guess that makes two of us. Yours came across as a bit condescending or simply sarcastic.

ok when I say bloody that could be a stretch. It's not dripping in blood. But it's a heart. And it's red. Could that be blood? Sure. Let's not forget the context.. the heart is shown because the queen ordered that Snow White be killed. Death. Killing. Back to the original topic.

. You act as though you've always been mature.

Thank you. I kid.

I don't think everyone who worked on all the Disney movies had the same definition of what is "acceptable" for everyone to watch.

Clearly.

[toonaspie]

I got the perfect informative site on the subject for everyone here...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MissingMom

[pap64]

I got the perfect informative site on the subject for everyone here...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MissingMom

Funny, I mentioned tvtropes a while back, and here's a great example of what I am talking about.

[Elladorine]

ok when I say bloody that could be a stretch. It's not dripping in blood. But it's a heart. And it's red. Could that be blood? Sure. Let's not forget the context.. the heart is shown because the queen ordered that Snow White be killed. Death. Killing. Back to the original topic.

As pap64 was saying, they never show the actual heart, only the outside of the box it was placed in. The only heart you see is symbolic and is on the front of the box for decoration; it isn't even red.



No offense, but between this and what you said about Woody, it seems you're basing some of your opinions on inaccurate impressions of the films. You might want to watch some again before going off about the supposed graphic details of them.

[Goliath]

We all praise Toy Story but I don't want my kid talking like Ham saying "you idiot" all the time. Technically speaking, that was honestly uncalled for,

I think you need to tone down the drama and lighten up. And I have a slight feeling we will run into each other a lot in the future.

[pap64]

We all praise Toy Story but I don't want my kid talking like Ham saying "you idiot" all the time. Technically speaking, that was honestly uncalled for,

I think you need to tone down the drama and lighten up. And I have a slight feeling we will run into each other a lot in the future.

In answering boots, here's the deal... ALL forms of media will feature behavior not suitable for kids, even from the designated shows for kids. That's why parents exist. The parents should teach the kid the appropriate behavior, not the show.

I hate to be rude as well, but you are being uptight over nothing and trying to find issues where there aren't. Plus, you sound like you believe that the media should be censored and regulated rather than the parents being the ones responsible.

In other words...

[toonaspie]

I'm with Disney's Divinity on this...it's usually a case of "missing parent drives the story" or "it's easier to write this way".


Though I do agree with tightlace that death doesnt always have to be an approach for creating a movie with emotional depth. One example is Beauty and the Beast where the emotional core of the story is about redemption and seeing the human in people we wouldnt think is there. '

And on an interesting note Toy Story 3 could be a metaphor for death without featuring actual death. It's a no character dies example about how we wont be with the people we care about forever and sometimes we have to chose between stopping our lives to hold on or letting go to continue living. Hope that makes sense.

[jediliz]

I think Belle's mom was the enchantress

[tightlacedboots]

Dude, I totally remembered it wrong. Yep, it was just a heart on the box. You're right.

I'm not saying Disney creators should take the place of a parent. Just suggesting that some things be taken into consideration. Just out of curiosity I wonder how many posters on this board actually are parents. I get the feeling few to none.

I'm not as uptight as everyone thinks, but hey, this is the internet and you're gonna make whatever assumptions you see fit.

Not really sure what Goliath means... I'm not a troll. I think we should all be able to voice our opinions, conflicting or not.

if you hate to be rude... then don't.

[SpringHeelJack]

I think Belle's mom was the enchantress

Belle's mom was totally Mrs. Potts. Did you see the way Maurice was standing by her at the end of the movie? There's TOTALLY some history there. I mean, it's not like we ever see this so-called "Mr. Potts"...

[King Louis 2010]

I'm with Disney's Divinity on this...it's usually a case of "missing parent drives the story" or "it's easier to write this way".


Though I do agree with tightlace that death doesnt always have to be an approach for creating a movie with emotional depth. One example is Beauty and the Beast where the emotional core of the story is about redemption and seeing the human in people we wouldnt think is there. '

And on an interesting note Toy Story 3 could be a metaphor for death without featuring actual death. It's a no character dies example about how we wont be with the people we care about forever and sometimes we have to chose between stopping our lives to hold on or letting go to continue living. Hope that makes sense.

Yeah it seems perhaps that it's a convenient way for Disney to create drama and play with our emotions. A very direct way to get through to kids that the world can be a nasty place and not everything is happy, etc.

[Goliath]

Not really sure what Goliath means... I'm not a troll.

Did I say you were? I just said: quit the drama. "You idiot" is generally NOT considered offensive. If you think so, and think the description of the pig heart etc. is unsuitable for children... then yeah, I think you're a drama queen. Just my opinion.

[Super Aurora]

Not really sure what Goliath means... I'm not a troll.

Did I say you were? I just said: quit the drama. "You idiot" is generally NOT considered offensive. If you think so, and think the description of the pig heart etc. is unsuitable for children... then yeah, I think you're a drama queen. Just my opinion.

Actually better word would be a "soccer mom".

[tightlacedboots]

Goliath, Did I say you called me a troll? I'm just letting you know I'm not. For all your spouting off at one's character I'd say you're the drama queen.

I don't do soccer. Bitch.

[Super Aurora]

LOL, do you even know what the term "Soccer Mom" even means? Has nothing to do with you playing soccer. LOL

[tightlacedboots]

LOL I just found out you're a dude. And I said "I don't do soccer." I purposely said "do" rather than "play" as I knew you were not suggesting I play it. However, I was trying to sum up that I don't do the soccer mom thing... it does not describe me.

Here's the def according to wikipedia
The phrase soccer mom broadly refers to a middle-class suburban woman who spends a significant amount of her time transporting her school-age children to their sporting events or other activities

This shouldn't be insulting, but I feel like I was just called "ma'am"

[Disney Duster]

tightlacedboots, I think that Disney should have tried to have both parents and happy families in the films, and they should try in the furture, but in most cases I think having only one or no parents made the films work more, yes, dramatically.

Also, don't forget sometimes in the end you do see happy functional families, or the characters will get married and have children to gether...

Though I do agree with tightlace that death doesnt always have to be an approach for creating a movie with emotional depth. One example is Beauty and the Beast where the emotional core of the story is about redemption and seeing the human in people we wouldnt think is there.

The Beast almost dies at the end and that's the saddest part!

If you guys allow me to go on a rant for a bit, I find it kind of annoying how people are knocking movies, TV shows, video games and other things because they are not 100% original when the reality is that obtaining complete originality is impossible. Even the most original story ever story has elements previously seen in other works of fiction. Again, go to tvtropes, type in a movie and you'll see what I mean.

What matters is the EXECUTION. If it does it well, then fine.

It doesn't matter what some site or a lot of people say, Disney came up with things, and it was only over time they became cliches by over use by other people. They came up with original versions of things, not just using them in a good way. Who can decide what a cliche, what one element is, when you could say they came up with their own elements. Originality is sometimes in tiny details, and a film is made up of all the tiny details. Only the basis of their stories, the books and fairy tales, aren't originally theirs.

But sometimes some films are blantantly unoriginal and bad at being original in any way. Sometimes they are clearly copiers, or purposely using old things. And that's when the complaints against originality is ok.

[Super Aurora]

LOL I just found out you're a dude. And I said "I don't do soccer." I purposely said "do" rather than "play" as I knew you were not suggesting I play it. However, I was trying to sum up that I don't do the soccer mom thing... it does not describe me.

Here's the def according to wikipedia
The phrase soccer mom broadly refers to a middle-class suburban woman who spends a significant amount of her time transporting her school-age children to their sporting events or other activities

This shouldn't be insulting, but I feel like I was just called "ma'am"

the term also refers to an overprotective mother that shield her child from even minor shit and getting offend over harmless crap.

[SillySymphony]

I grew up watching all of these films, uncut and raw, and I am fine. Did I cry and find them sad? Yes, but it didn't mark me forever like some experts claim they do. In fact, I grew up watching much, much, MUCH worse like The Adventures of Milo and Otis (the Japanese version is NOTHING like the American one, trust me...), Tatsunoko's The Brave Frog (this had scenes of tadpoles being dragged by the strong currents, people being beaten to near death and many more) and Heidi.

WOW. The Brave Frog! I've actually been searching for evidence of that movie for months. (I was beginning to think it never existed.) I remember watching that at my grandma's house, though I only remember a few vague images.

And I cried during animated movies as a kid too. What's wrong with shedding a few tears? It's ok to be sad for a character. It's not entirely bad being scared once in a while, and it's also not entirely good to just watch cheesy-happy-sunshine movies. One of my favorites as a kid (before I started picking apart and analyzing everything Disney) was Pocahontas, and we know that movie had it share of healthy drama.

While I'm at it I'll even address the topic!
Yes, it stinks having just one parent present more than 80% of the time, but really, the extra one's not necessary. Like some have mentioned already most parents don't carry the story along, they're just there to fill one role: a sympathy card.
Another thought: Disney's focus isn't selling King Hubert plushies (which would be funny to see) so why bother spending the extra cost/time to give him a queen?

[pap64]

I grew up watching all of these films, uncut and raw, and I am fine. Did I cry and find them sad? Yes, but it didn't mark me forever like some experts claim they do. In fact, I grew up watching much, much, MUCH worse like The Adventures of Milo and Otis (the Japanese version is NOTHING like the American one, trust me...), Tatsunoko's The Brave Frog (this had scenes of tadpoles being dragged by the strong currents, people being beaten to near death and many more) and Heidi.

WOW. The Brave Frog! I've actually been searching for evidence of that movie for months. (I was beginning to think it never existed.) I remember watching that at my grandma's house, though I only remember a few vague images.

Oh yeah, it's very real. I don't remember the plot completely, but I remember clearly that it was very tragic and very heartbreaking.

For example...

- One scene shows the mother and father frog going down the river on a lily pad with up to 5 other tadpoles in the water. The water is strong and it is raining. The strong current knocks the parents out of the lily pad, and the tadpoles are carried off, presumably to be killed. Only one of them survive, the titular brave frog. The characters lament this DEARLY.

- In another scene, the father frog gets the stuffing knocked out of him in a very graphic, disturbing manner. As in, we see a gang of frogs kick him while he is down, and by the end he is dirty and bloody.

- But perhaps the scene that sticks with me the most is a scene in which the Brave Frog and his friend meet a mother turtle that is dying, and asks them to take care of her egg. They go to an expert where he tells them that the egg was actually a golf ball. He laughs it off as if it was a big joke, but the kids cry like crazy as they remember the turtle's dying wish.



That's hardcore.