Tangled (aka Rapunzel) Discussion - Part III

bradk · Post by **bradk** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:46 am

for the record, the one 'so-so' review in question is now being taken completely out of context.

the SONGS were described as so-so. the movie itself was not. of course, there's far more detail in the section hidden by spoilers, but the 'so-so' review actually says that the movie is true to the classic Disney Princess vision despite having a bit more of the male lead than one might expect (but without blame) and that it at times even rises to the level of 'Beauty and the Beast.'

Furthermore, the gripes about the songs (which still hold true in the so-so opinion) have nothing to do with Alan Menken (or at least very little). Songs are remembered for their lyrics and as such this is a result mostly of Slater's work. If you happen to be a fan of Slater, you may very well love the songs. It's an opinion.

As for 'everyone else' although I'm sure others have mentioned the songs (knowing full well Disney hasn't in its promotional material), the only comment I happened to have seen was that the songs *occasionally* rise to the level of 'A Whole New World' and 'Gaston.' Now while I do disagree with this statement, I find it odd that Gaston was chosen from all of the songs in Beauty and the Beast, which is arguably one of the best Disney soundtracks of all time. While Gaston is fabulous and a real credit to Ashman's writing skills, I'm not sure it's what you want your anthem to be when you have songs like Belle and the title song which are far more epic.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:23 am

http://apps.facebook.com/tangled/

I'm not sure if these have been posted before:

Disney Shows Off Dazzling Tron Footage And The Excellent Animated Musical Tangled
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Disney-S ... 20998.html

Just An Online Minute... Disney Tangled In Unfinished Business With Tron:Legacy
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/? ... aid=137032

New Footage:

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phan258 · Post by **phan258** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:38 am

*GASP* Thank you sotiris!!!! That new footage is amazing!

Flynn always seems to be losing/missing a boot, doesn't he? Hahaha XD

Fairytales · Post by **Fairytales** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:07 am

I LOVE that new footage!
My favourite parts are the muffins, the butterfly and the horse who pulls Flynns boot off. Especially funny because he lands on Rapunzel, lol.

phan258 · Post by **phan258** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:13 am

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810121160/video/22284550

There's the new french video in english (got the link from the imdb board).

DisneyDude2010 · Post by **DisneyDude2010** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:17 am

Love the new footage

Only on seen I dislike when Rapunzel says to the thugs "Haven't you had a dream" (meet R Vid) To much swaying and her hair looks weird

Anyway love the Cupcake scene <3

Do you think the animation shown in the Meet .... videos are final ??

Fairytales · Post by **Fairytales** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:24 am

DisneyDude2010 wrote:Love the new footage

Only on seen I dislike when Rapunzel says to the thugs "Haven't you had a dream" (meet R Vid) To much swaying and her hair looks weird Anyway love the Cupcake scene <3

Do you think the animation shown in the Meet .... videos are final ??

I actually thought that was funny

Also the part where Flynn says: 'Gentlemen, your finest table please." (it's also in the english trailer)
She looks so clumsy that it's funny

robster16 · Post by **robster16** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:28 am

Fairytales wrote:
DisneyDude2010 wrote:Love the new footage

Only on seen I dislike when Rapunzel says to the thugs "Haven't you had a dream" (meet R Vid) To much swaying and her hair looks weird Anyway love the Cupcake scene <3

Do you think the animation shown in the Meet .... videos are final ??
I actually thought that was funny Also the part where Flynn says: 'Gentlemen, your finest table please." (it's also in the english trailer)
She looks so clumsy that it's funny

He actually says "Garcon, your finest table please!"

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:29 am

phan258 wrote:http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810121160/video/22284550

There's the new french video in english (got the link from the imdb board).

Could someone please upload this on YouTube? I have trouble accessing it.

CampbellzSoup · Post by **CampbellzSoup** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:56 pm

why does Menken keep teaming up with Slater???

DancingCrab · Post by **DancingCrab** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:09 pm

Re: Glen Slater...I equate him as a lyricist to the equivalent of someone like Brett Ratner as a film director. At his best, he is adequate, but brings nothing special to the projects he is involved in.

He must have a great working relationship/friendship with Menken to keep working with him. Most of Slater's work is appalling though, most noticeably the Phantom of the Opera sequal, Love Never Dies. Some of THE worst lyrics I have ever heard.

I really wish Menken would find a wordsmith partner even remotely clever as Ashman, Rice and Schwartz were.

Poody · Post by **Poody** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:14 pm

CampbellzSoup wrote:why does Menken keep teaming up with Slater???

Because he's hot.

phan258 · Post by **phan258** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:28 pm

Poody wrote:
CampbellzSoup wrote:why does Menken keep teaming up with Slater???
Because he's hot.

Fairytales · Post by **Fairytales** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:44 pm

robster16 wrote:
Fairytales wrote: I actually thought that was funny Also the part where Flynn says: 'Gentlemen, your finest table please." (it's also in the english trailer)
She looks so clumsy that it's funny
He actually says "Garcon, your finest table please!"

Oh, Okay, thanks!

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:57 pm

Poody wrote:
CampbellzSoup wrote:why does Menken keep teaming up with Slater???
Because he's hot.

He just likes him more. They're like buddies and stuff. After his collaboration with Glenn on Home on the Range, they hit it off and it was Menken who requested Slater to be the lyricist for Sister Act, The Little Mermaid, and Tangled. I get the feeling that after Ashman's death, Glenn has been the only other lyricist that Menken bonded with. Regarding his collaboration with Steven Schwartz, I get the vibe (based on their interviews and such) that they don't like each other very much. All the times the two collaborated (Pocahontas, Hunchback, Enchanted), Schwartz was appointed by the studio as the lyricist. Menken definitely did not request for him as he does with Slater.

Too bad, 'cause with Schwartz, he produced really good results. Whether it was due to the competition, the clash of egos or the creative friction, the result was undeniably good.

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:18 pm

sotiris2006 wrote:
Poody wrote: Because he's hot.
He just likes him more. They're like buddies and stuff. After his collaboration with Glenn on Home on the Range, they hit it off and it was Menken who requested Slater to be the lyricist for Sister Act, The Little Mermaid, and Tangled. I get the feeling that after Ashman's death, Glenn has been the only other lyricist that Menken bonded with. Regarding his collaboration with Steven Schwartz, I get the vibe (based on their interviews and such) that they don't like each other very much. All the times the two collaborated (Pocahontas, Hunchback, Enchanted), Schwartz was appointed by the studio as the lyricist. Menken definitely did not request for him as he does with Slater.

Too bad, 'cause with Schwartz, he produced really good results. Whether it was due to the competition, the clash of egos or the creative friction, the result was undeniably good.

I think this is the case as well. Also, I think lyrically, Home on the Range is Slaters best stuff. Little Patch of Heaven has such sweet lyrics.

The additional Mermaid songs, Sister Act and... that Phantom sequel are awful.

Prince Edward · Post by **Prince Edward** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:26 pm

I like Glenn Slater as a lyricist and think his work with Menken is great.

Sneakalicious · Post by **Sneakalicious** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:35 pm

Here's the YT version for those who can't see it otherwise:

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Poody · Post by **Poody** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:39 pm

PatrickvD wrote: The additional Mermaid songs, Sister Act and... that Phantom sequel are awful.

You really think Sister Act is awful? I thought some of those lyrics were amazing and hilarious....

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:47 pm

Sneakalicious wrote:Here's the YT version for those who can't see it otherwise:

Thanks

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