Tangled (aka Rapunzel) Discussion - Part III

[Disney Duster]

Here's some screencaps I made:






Disney's Divinity, Rapunzel's hair wasn't growing, it was glowing!






Something tell me all this animation isn't fully rendered, because that glowing flower doesn't look it.


Disney's Divinity, actually we did see some of Mother Gothel. Here she is running towards the tower and pulling down the curtains to discover Rapunzel missing!



And here's her in the Double Tower video. Am I the only one who wonders where she goes? Off to woo some men with her eternal youth and beauty? Haha:



And am I the only one wondering what a gun is doing in a story I thought was taking place in medieval or renaissance times?



Something tells me from this and some concept art we have seen, Alan Menken wrote medieval music and they made medieval costumes because maybe Gothel was from medieval times but it actually takes place in the 1800's what with the castle and guards and other things...? Or, you know, in fairy tale time that mixes all the times together...

And the characters will be singing. Remember, Rapunzel sings the song "When Will My Life Begin?"

While I am rather irked that the whole story is now spoiled (albeit in a skeletal form - there are many wonderful details you still don't know about), it's not like there's no precedent. In fact, Disney used to go out of their way to spoil absolutely everything in the early movies - with books, records, comic strips, radio dramas, etc.

It was a deliberate strategy. They considered it important that children going to see the movies knew everything they were going to see before they saw it.

Is that really true, that you know that's the reason they did it back in Walt's day?

This russian website has all those promo pictures and more in SUPER HIGH QUALITY!

http://www.kinogallery.com/films/foto.php?id=rapunzel

Can you tell me how to view them in full HD?

[toonaspie]

Good trailer...

BAD MUSIC!

Why isnt Disney growing a brain and not using Alan Menken's songs that will be in the film or at least reference that he's doing the songs? That's going to be a huge selling point for this film.

And the fact that it's two months away from release and this movie is only getting table scraps of marketing...what the heck Disney? Where is your confidence?!

[RodryCroft]

I think Rapunzel is singing on that scene, (look the way she moves her lips and head, and her eyes are closed, I think she's singing the lullaby Gothel sing to her when she combs her hair!! and for that reason her hair glows when she sings it too (But I thought the lullaby won't be on the final movie...) or maybe "Mother knows best" is a lullaby. I hope the release of the songs soon!!

[Sotiris]

Interview: Nathan Greno And Byron Howard On Disney's 'Tangled'
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/interv ... gled-11104

Preview:

You’ve been stressing how you tried to make this contemporary. Are you scared of how the audience might respond to all that novelty?

Howard: When people hear that you want to do a non-traditional take on a story they think it’s going to be cynical. They think we don’t like these kinds of stories and we’re making fun of them, which we’re not at all. We love these types of stories. If you look at it it’s told in a very genuine way. We love Rapunzel and Flynn and its got drama to it, its got action. When we changed the title to “Tangled” we thought it represented the film better because it became about both of them. When we did that people panicked a little and said, “Oh we don’t want you to ruin the story.”

When you say “people” who do you mean?

Howard: Core Disney fans. There are people who love traditional Disney like we do, I think they don’t want it to be cynical like other films that are takes on fairy tales.

Greno: I think they didn’t want us to make fun of the fact that we’re making this movie. We don’t. We very much respect the characters and the world. If you look at the architecture of the world it definitely has that classic look of Disney from the 40s and 50s. We’re very much into our roots, we love that stuff! At the same time we’re making this movie for a contemporary audience. This movie isn’t being released in nineteen-fifty-whatever. It’s being released now, that means we’re competing with other movies. We wanted to make sure our action, our pacing, our storytelling, our humor all felt very contemporary, very now. I believe we were able to achieve a really great balance between respecting our roots and at the same time making a very contemporary, unexpected movie.

Are you curious how people are going to react?

Howard: The movie has very deep emotional parts, and very dark parts as well. Hopefully it’s about establishing a balance. When we go to movies I want to laugh really hard, I want to tear-up, and I want to be taken on a great ride. We wanted this movie to be for everybody, something people could take their kids to, but at the same time we have humor in there that’s built for adults. The whole relationship between Flynn and Rapunzel is where a lot of the humor comes from. We’re just excited to show the film.

Greno: We had a couple of preview screenings for the film. At the screenings they have a focus group afterwards. They asked how they liked the movie, overall it was very awesome that people were excited for it, and somebody raised their hand and said, “This is like classic Disney but better!” We’re like, that’s great, that’s exactly what we’re looking for. It’s for today’s audience.

This is the first CGI musical, isn’t it?

Howard: I think so, yeah. Music is such a big part. What we loved about Alan when he came in was he said let’s do something different, let’s push it in a different direction. He had this great suggestion to have the music for Rapunzel more guitar driven, kinda more singer-songwriter, like Joni Mitchell. He’d play songs for us, and its great because it gives her a voice.

They’re some of the strongest songs I've heard in a while. It reminded me of “Beauty and the Beast”.

Howard: Sometimes music just does emotional things the dialogue can’t. When you hear the score that Alan wrote, when everything’s emotionally working it’s great for us ‘cause we’ve seen all these pieces in different places and now they’re coming together for the final film.

It took two years, why did it take that long?

Greno: John Lasseter said, “We will never release a bad film.” Even though we were locked into that two-year schedule the goal was to make the best film possible.

Were you guys able to get in any Easter eggs, hidden Mickeys?

Howard: Oh yeah. There’s stuff in there. There’s stuff in the tower. Pinnochio’s in the movie. If you look very closely in the pub he’s around and about.

Greno: There’s other things in the bookshop, for instance. Look at the covers of those books closely. There’s a lot of references to the legacy of Disney. We love our roots and we love to acknowledge that we love to work at Disney. We’ve both been working here roughly 15-years. It really is this contemporary, unexpected film.

Are you guys currently working on anything now? There’s no Disney Animation movie scheduled for 2012?

Howard: I think there might be a small gap between the CG films. Schedule-wise that’s the way it works out, but there’s a long roster of things. 2-D and 3-D

Are you gonna keep working together?

Howard: Definitely. We’ve already pitched our next thing. We like working with each other and we pitched 6 ideas to John and he combined two ideas we had. It’ll be crazy and amazing.

[amazon980]

Is Rapunzel going to be an official Disney Princess like Tiana?
She's getting a 17inch Doll like Snow White Tiana and Belle so does make her official?

[UmbrellaFish]

Is Rapunzel going to be an official Disney Princess like Tiana?
She's getting a 17inch Doll like Snow White Tiana and Belle so does make her official?

Yep!

Anyway, the second trailer is much better. The icing on the cake, however, would have been some Menken music and a bit more Gothel. I guess I can understand not including Gothel as that may add mystery about the film's villain when it opens, but I'm disappointed that they didn't show any of the music as I suspect they're trying to hide the fact it's a musical.

Which is sad. Especially now that musicals are coming back with Glee, HSM, Wicked, Hairspray and all that... I guess musicals aren't "manly" enough.

[robster16]

this looks gorgeous! And just look at what an improvement this shot is compared to that first ever concept artwork we got for Tangled with roughly the same pose:

[jpanimation]

I'm still underwhelmed with what I'm seeing and not sure at this point if I'm seeing this in theaters. This was the trailer that was supposed to reveal some story, to give us an idea of what the movie is about, but it seems like they're still too busy concentrating on capturing the tween male demographic (by misleading the audience) to put together a proper trailer. In the interview, the directors state the movie has emotional and dark parts, yet there is no hint of that in the trailer. Heck, you NEVER hear Rapunzel's name, you get no indication it's a musical, you have no idea who the villain (Gothel) is or what the story is about or why we should even care about the characters we're seeing. It's all jokes and action with the attention falling on Flynn, the character who appears to be the only protagonist (if you go by this trailer, heavens knows we heard his name enough in it). They literally just showed Flynn wise cracking (the exact same self-absorbed yet dashing 'personality' we already saw in The Princess and the Frog with Naveen, which is just annoying at this point), him meeting a girl in his travels, and having some whacky-action packed adventures with plenty of masculine characters. You really have no idea what the movie is about except some Flynn guy and what looks like his many (remember, the trailer puts emphasis on the whacky-action packed aspect) episodic adventures.

The animation is nice, though, I'm just not interested in the movie itself at this point. From these trailers, it just looks like a "Tangled" mess.

[Kyle]

It is kinda making me annoyed by Flynn. Hopefully Disney have pulled a Ray the Firefly with him and he turns out to be endearing

I never did warm up to Ray, and killing him, while the idea itself was nice to see used, didn't make me like him any more. instead it felt forced. like here's this annoying character, you don't like him, but you should now that we've killed him. The weird thing was, I didn't really mind him in the teaser like a lot of people did.


As for the new trailers, my expectations have been gradually lower'd little by little. I'll still see it, but I'm not expecting to like much more than Bolt or Meet the Robinson's, which I thought were fine, but forgettable. their being too safe with this movie, it had more charm during its experimental phase.

[Prince Edward]

Epic failure of a trailer! I sure hope the movie is a Disney-classic with heart and story, and not some fluffy DreamWorks-movie where a plot and developed characters are replaced with constant popularcultural references and where everything has to be funny-funny-funny all the time... (Also hate the title!)

Well, Alan Menken's music will be great at least. I think I will see it in theaters just to hear the music on the big screen, and I will buy the soundtrack and the Blu-ray. But I am not really excited for this movie anymore and have lowered my expectations.

[Disney's Divinity]

@ Disney Duster: You're right. The computer I was on was pretty dark. I just assumed it was showing how her hair could get cut, and then grow back.

About the Gothel shots, I didn't notice while watching them the first time. And, I'm guessing, someone who knew nothing about this film wouldn't have even taken notice of her either.

I never did warm up to Ray, and killing him, while the idea itself was nice to see used, didn't make me like him any more. instead it felt forced. like here's this annoying character, you don't like him, but you should now that we've killed him. The weird thing was, I didn't really mind him in the teaser like a lot of people did.

The opposite was true for me. I despised how he looked in the trailer and the commercials, but then the film made me love him (before he died--his death was only powerful because I did like him).

And people are complaining about Flynn being a repeat of Naveen, but...wait, didn't everybody know that a long time ago (I was one of the people who complained about it, actually)? This isn't something new.

One of the only things I don't like about what I've seen are all the viking-esque warriors. They're so mundane and uninteresting, and they'll have to try hard to make me find those types of characters more than a waste of time. Also, the voice talent isn't impressive. Zachery Levi didn't hit it for me there, so hopefully the film's better.

[Elladorine]

About the Gothel shots, I didn't notice while watching them the first time. And, I'm guessing, someone who knew nothing about this film wouldn't have even taken notice of her either.

Yeah, most who don't know about her probably won't notice her here. Heck, I was avidly looking for her and still had trouble finding her!

[Polizzi]

Hookhand: (Commands Flynn.) Head down!
Flynn: (Obeys Hookhand.) Head down!


Hookhand: Arms in!
Flynn: Arms in!


Hookhand: Knees apart!
Flynn: Knees apa... (Feeling confused.) Knees apart?








Flynn: (Screaming.)

Forgive me for putting this scene in this thread. I find this scene from the trailer funny.

P.S. Sorry that the quality is bad.

[janesjubilee]

And am I the only one wondering what a gun is doing in a story I thought was taking place in medieval or renaissance times?

It's not a gun, it's just a different kind of bow and arrow. You can see it better in a more HD version of the trailer. :)

[MutantEnemy]

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

It's the duty of every Disney fan to see this in theaters at least once. Why follow this film for so long and then not go and see the movie. This is the kind of behavior that almost killed traditional animation. All you'll prove is that there is no audience for films by WDAS. There is no future for Disney animation if you and the general public don't go see it. If a Disney "fan" won't go see the film, who will?

[Tristy]

Yeah. And we'd want to make sure that films following this good or bad will at least have a decent title. lol

[Polizzi]

I can still go see the movie, despite the title change from Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)." And when it comes out on DVD, I will buy it from a foreign nation that bears the name, "Rapunzel," and find an English version that has the main title in the introduction read, "Rapunzel." I believe that it will have a heart to many Disney movies, even if it is filled with action and comedy.

[Poody]

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

It's the duty of every Disney fan to see this in theaters at least once. Why follow this film for so long and then not go and see the movie. This is the kind of behavior that almost killed traditional animation. All you'll prove is that there is no audience for films by WDAS. There is no future for Disney animation if you and the general public don't go see it. If a Disney "fan" won't go see the film, who will?

Agreed. This also goes for "fans" who didn't see Princess and the Frog either..... Actually, we can blame them for the "Tangled" title!

[singerguy04]

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

It's the duty of every Disney fan to see this in theaters at least once. Why follow this film for so long and then not go and see the movie. This is the kind of behavior that almost killed traditional animation. All you'll prove is that there is no audience for films by WDAS. There is no future for Disney animation if you and the general public don't go see it. If a Disney "fan" won't go see the film, who will?

Agreed. This also goes for "fans" who didn't see Princess and the Frog either..... Actually, we can blame them for the "Tangled" title!

Oh please, if fans went to see Princess and the Frog or not it was set up for failure because of Avatar. If anything, that film only made as much as it did because of all of us 2D film nuts.

Avatar was the biggest sensation of the year and one of the most anticipated films of the year. If any of the great classics had been released a week prior to something like that, they would've failed.

As for Tangled, Disney needs to aim at Harry Potter's demographic. In a world where parents are taking there small children to films like The Twilight Saga, Disney can stand to release more mature focused marketing. The kids will see anything they put out, they have to make sure everyone else is watching it too.

[Polizzi]

The story of Disney's, "The Princess and the Frog," could use some work. Maybe then, it might just pull it off. Just a thought though, but that was just my opinion. Anyways, the word, "princess," has nothing to do with it. Disney fans that refuse to see Disney's, "The Princess and the Frog," need to look deep into the movie, than criticizing by its name. As the old saying goes: Never judge a book by its cover. I understand that Disney is trying to get the boys to see their next animated movie, but from the looks of the two trailers that they have unleashed, there are some scenes that might get their boys attention. For example: Hookhand helping Flynn escape. Maximus eating the, "Wanted," sign of Flynn like a paper shredder. Flynn's continuation of his smolder in his sweet talk way. And my personal favorite, Hookhand saying to Flynn that his dream stinks, and that he was talking to Rapunzel to live in her dream. To tell you the truth, those scenes from Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," make me want to see that movie, but I can only see it once, not so many times. I learned my lesson when seeing the same movie many times. Seeing the same movie many times can lead to dangerous consequences, like wasting money. Anyways, for the record, Disney's, "The Princess and the Frog," is still a good movie, no matter how much money it made.