Tangled (aka Rapunzel) Discussion - Part III

[DisneyDude2010]

WOW ! I love the new stills they are amazing I am so glad Rapunzel looks alot different to the art on the books etc.

On the aritcel it says Tangled will feature easter eggs and hidden mickeys

After John's speech we then interviewed more of the crew about the film. Look for my interview with Byron Howard and Nathan Green in the next few days. Oh, and in case you were wondering, there are some Easter eggs and Hidden Mickeys in the movie but you'll have to look for them. The directors wouldn't say what and where they were but they did tell me one - look for Pinochhio in the scene at the tavern. So it's cool that they're still doing hidden nods to past films.

Can't wait to see Pinnochhio

[Elladorine]

Enigmawing, so if you like CGI, why do you not like the CGI pictures more, because finally, for once, I think they improve upon the original sketches. However, some other art of Rapunzel does look almost infinately better, like the image of Rapunzel with Pascal in her hand, and I wish that was transferred exactly into the CGI.

It's a matter of personal preference, really. Hand-drawn has certain strengths over CG, and vice-versa. Just like how live-action has certain strengths and weaknesses, or stop-motion. It all depends on what the story calls for and what the strengths of the chosen medium can bring to it. Although I thoroughly enjoy CG and can't imagine certain films done any other way (like the Toy Story films), we're seeing something new and different for a Disney princess film here. For the most part I prefer hand-drawn, but I recognize that CG does have many strengths that hand-drawn doesn't, like the rendering and feel of Rapunzel's hair. When it comes to those comparisons posted I prefer the drawings based purely on the expression, but I imagine I'll still get a lot out of how the final film looks.

Am I the only one who doesn't see anything wrong with that close-up of Rapunzel that people aren't happy with? I mean, maybe he bottom lash line is crooked...? But otherwise I think she looks really pretty...? And maybe it's not even crooked, it's just the angle...

To me, it appears that her eyes aren't looking in the same direction. I've done an edit that sits easier with me (the original is on the left), maybe this will illustrate the issue:



I also made her nose a little smaller.

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Maybe she looks weird because it's not her ''good profile'' - you know..it happens LOL

[Sotiris]

Source: http://informemosdedisney.blogspot.com/ ... dados.html

[Prince Kido]

DisneyDuster : You are spoiling too much I think and you are on the wrong way concerning Flynn btw...

Enigmawing : the shot of Rapunzel which is "awkward" was the worst of her in the movie and has been removed since!!

Sotiris2009 : Can you please credit your sources each time you post a new image please? Anyway, thanks for sharing!

[Sotiris]

Enigmawing : the shot of Rapunzel which is "awkward" was the worst of her in the movie and has been removed since!!

Prince Kido, have they changed this shot too? 'Cause she looks "weird" in this still too.

[mawnck]

You know, I just realized that How to Draw Tangled book was really unnecessary in telling the whole movie.

While I am rather irked that the whole story is now spoiled (albeit in a skeletal form - there are many wonderful details you still don't know about), it's not like there's no precedent. In fact, Disney used to go out of their way to spoil absolutely everything in the early movies - with books, records, comic strips, radio dramas, etc.

It was a deliberate strategy. They considered it important that children going to see the movies knew everything they were going to see before they saw it.

[DisneyFan09]

Comparison between concept art and final images.

Which version do you like best?

Although I like the concept art, I do like the final CGI images as well. So I'll go for the latter, since Flynn is more sexier then, ha ha.

[WalterEliasDisney]

Im a new here in the forum. Hello ! Can somebody upload picture with a little Rapunzel in high definition please!

[Jules]

^^ The guys in the hat building really need you right now for some moral support.

[robster16]

Enigmawing : the shot of Rapunzel which is "awkward" was the worst of her in the movie and has been removed since!!

Prince Kido, have they changed this shot too? 'Cause she looks "weird" in this still too.

I personally think that that shot is a BEAUTIFULLY animated with GREAT subtelty!

[Disney's Divinity]

I noticed something while looking at that final CGI picture with Flynn from sotiris' post: is it just me or does Flynn seem--for a character that's supposed to be a thief and a flirt a la Naveen--a little neutered? I mean, I know Disney can't make him too dangerous, but he seems kind of...too nice for someone whose doing so many unlikable things. I mean, Aladdin did the same thing, but at least Aladdin only stole so he didn't starve...

As for the CGI/hand-drawn comparisons, I think they've translated the drawings pretty well into CGI. Of course, I'll always prefer 2D over 3D, but I think they've done a decent job so far. My only complaint is that perhaps Keane's design for Rapunzel doesn't quite work as well in 3D (because of 3D's uber-realism). I also wonder if they've got the clothes to work well--the picture of Gothel reclined make the clothes/body seem a little too noticeably 3D and not fluid enough.

But it's hard to say anything for sure when we haven't seen the film.

[Disney Duster]

Prince Kido, I'm sorry if that's true but I've been careful to put everything I think is a spoiler in white, I wish I knew which things you thought I was spoiling too much.

enigmawing, your changing of her nose...well...I think Rapunzel is supposed to be European. I actually wish all the other European princesses had noses that looked more European like that. I like her having a different one. You liked Jasmine's different nose.

This is the perfect opportunity for me to say I was kind of wondering if Disney would really go controversial and boundary-breaking by making Rapunzel an ugly princess, to show you don't have to be physically beautiful to have a wonderful fairy tale romantic movie about you with a hot man. Yea, yea, maybe the whole beauty on the outside a metaphor/reward for goodness on the inside thing, but, I thought maybe once they'd do a different more realistic way, maybe this princess didn't get blessed with beauty for her goodness this time. Instead, it's more like they are doing all the things they think would make a person attractive, but, a lot of images are...ew. But these new ones have been better. On that note, Ariel is not the most attractive princess, either...when she has the things most would think would make one attractive, except those darn flat lips that Rapunzel's also got.

I guess it would make sense for the magical plant to make her beautiful, just like the green eyes and gold magic hair, though. I guess I like that she's still a traditional lovely, I just...wondered if they would go different, and if they did I would have liked it.

I just realized that making characters attractive might partially be a way of helping audiences endure a whole movie...but in real life that stuff doesn't matter, perhaps because you actually engage with people and see them as real and feel their soul in each moment...

Divinity, well...Flynn is...I have thought positively of him from the get go. He seems like a good guy deep down. I didn't think Naveen was bad either. I see both him and Flynn as careless fun lovers. Later, they care about others. I dunno. Flynn seems like someone who is not bad or would try to be bad, he wouldn't steal from children or anything. Oh wow, complicated gray area Disney character here!

I think I feel similarly about the CGI...if only they just made it a bit more hand-drawn and painting like but they have strove far!

[Jackoleen]

Dear Disney Enthusiasts,

I agree with you, to some degree, Disney Duster, and that is why I'm currently writing an entirely "Disney"-esque fairy tale. I'm going to write the screenplay, the songs, etc., and send everything, including tapes of my voice, to The Disney Company.

I'm going to write the songs, and tape them, before I hear the music from "Tangled", 'cause I want the music to have a very dark, Nox Arcana/ Medieval-type sound to it.

I have said too much online already about the story that I'm creating, but I'd like to really break the social "rules" by having the heroine be a selfish, spoiled, slightly full-figured, food-obsessed aspiring female writer (With a British accent) who is the FIRST dark-brown-eyed, golden-brown-haired animated Disney heroine! I'd also like for her to fall in love with a creature, survive her journey with him, adopt an orphan child, and live with her new family...WITHOUT said creature turning into a prince, or a human of ANY kind...

COPYRIGHT 2010 BY JACKOLEEN

I might tell y'all about my idea, if you swear that you'll respect my rights to the story.

I'm not gonna claim that I'll fer shurr be able to even get The Disney Company to like the story, let alone be able to voice the main character (Speaking and singing). I'm no Hollywood actress; I only know that I'm a Literature Major who was a choral singer from time to time, and who loves to write!

I know that I must sound as though I'm bragging, so I've just gotta say that ANY of you could probably Disney-ize any fairy tale that hasn't already been made into a Disney movie. All that's required is the ability to think of a style, a clever storyline (I'm not actually doing that well, as I awoke the other morning doubting the third or fourth revision of the storyline...ARG!), some cool tunes, etc. There's no guarantee that The Disney Company will want any non-famous person's work, but it's always worth the effort...

I WAS once writing a "Disney" adaptation of the Rapunzel story, and, in my rendition of the story, the Mother Gothel character was beautiful and seductive, but Rapunzel was much more Freudian and repressed, and she believed the prince to be a king's champion...who had supposedly killed her father...My rendition of the story may have been too dark, and slightly too sexy, for families...I don't know...

I was also going to write a pirate story, which would have been about a pirate girl who was beautiful, but who had literally been scarred by a rival pirate during her childhood...I sort of abandoned that idea after Disney's "Pirates" craze hit...

I was recently trying to adapt "The Princess and the Pea" into a story about a warrior princess, her dragon, etc., but I got the mental version of writer's block, so I decided to work on the other story instead...

So, in other words, I, too, wish that The Disney Company would break the mold more often...

Thank you in advance for your replies.

[BwayJ]

I'm curious about whether Disney will present this movie at the New York Comic Con in October. They might combine it with a Tron: Legacy presentation like at the last New York convention (Up and Surrogates were presented at the same panel).

[Polizzi]

What you are about to read is a trailer theory. If Disney is going to unleash the third and new trailer of Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," what if they releases it on the Internet this week before showing it in theaters before the production of, "Alpha and Omega?" After all, "Alpha and Omega," is a computer animated movie, and it could contain a new trailer of Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)." Just a thought.

[Elladorine]

enigmawing, your changing of her nose...well...I think Rapunzel is supposed to be European. I actually wish all the other European princesses had noses that looked more European like that. I like her having a different one. You liked Jasmine's different nose.

The only reason I made any type of change there was due to what I've seen in the hand-drawn art for the film. To be fair, it looks to be very difficult to translate her hand-drawn character design into the strictly three-dimensional world of CG (which has already been mentioned); I also think something about that particular angle wasn't very flattering for her, lol. But it looks like it's not in the final film now regardless according to Prince Kido's latest post in this thread.

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Oh, and for the heck of it . . .

[blackcauldron85]

EW, now that you pointed out the eye problem, yes, I see, it...thanks! I don't think that there's anything wrong with her nose, though. And why are the 2 CGI pictures you posted right above different...? Like, what/when/why?!

I just realized that making characters attractive might partially be a way of helping audiences endure a whole movie...but in real life that stuff doesn't matter, perhaps because you actually engage with people and see them as real and feel their soul in each moment...

Obviously many actors are good-looking to help us endure the whole movie... Not to say they're not good actors on their talent alone, but...I don't know if it releases a chemical when you see an attractive person or something, but I mean, yeah, seeing hot people on the big screen is not a bad thing... And with animated designs, you want them to be appealing...and yes, you can have appealing non-hot characters, absolutely, but esepcially in a movie dealing with romance, the two leads generally will be good-looking...

[Not.That.Kind.Of.Guy]

Check out some amazing new concept arts from TANGLED just posted on DisneyLicious!!!





More of them right here:
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[Elladorine]

EW, now that you pointed out the eye problem, yes, I see, it...thanks!

No problem.

I don't think that there's anything wrong with her nose, though.

I'm too nit-picky for my own good sometimes! I think it's more that I really like the pointy nose I've been seeing in some of the hand-drawn art.

And why are the 2 CGI pictures you posted right above different...? Like, what/when/why?!

The middle one is official, the one on the far right was me being bored and attempting to make the CG match the sketch since I was curious as to how it would look that way.