What's your religion?

[Goliath]

If you want to talk about persecution, you also have to talk about persecution done *by* Christians.

No you don't *have* to, but you did anyway...

Of course you have to. Otherwise, the discussion gets very one-sided and you create an unfair image. You painted Christians as victims of persecution. I hvae acknowledged that Christians do get prosecuted in some parts of the world. But if you want to talk about victims, you also have to talk about perpetrators. Otherwise, like I said, you tell only half the truth.

[Disney Duster]

No in this instance you were talking about something that didn't need to be.

I was talking about today, and getting persecuted by today's different people for different reasons. Just because I'm Christian doesn't mean you have to talk about what every past Christian in the world did. Just because someone is German doesn't mean you have to talk to them about Nazis.

[Goliath]

No in this instance you were talking about something that didn't need to be.

You don't decide what "needs" to be talked about.

Gee, Lazario was right: talking to a brick wall is more effective!

[Disney Duster]

You don't decide what "needs" to be talked about.

And you don't either, you who were the one who said the words "need to" first.

[disneyboy20022]

I am doing a small group at my local church and they play these tapes that I would encourage non-christians and Christians alike to watch this series....it's very interesting...Super Aurara I think this might be an interesting take on so I thought you might watch it if you get some free time. Black Pearl, and Disney Duster, Lazario, Waltmad, Goliath and anyone else I would encourage you to watch them...part 1 and part 2.....and the whole thing....it defines what comes to your mind when you think of a Christian...

http://www.lifechurch.tv/watch/disciple

[Lazario]

Gee, Lazario was right: talking to a brick wall is more effective!

I'm used to it, though. So I'll take over from here:

If you want to talk about persecution, you also have to talk about persecution done *by* Christians.

No you don't *have* to, but you did anyway...

No in this instance you were talking about something that didn't need to be.

I was talking about today, and getting persecuted by today's different people for different reasons. Just because I'm Christian doesn't mean you have to talk about what every past Christian in the world did. Just because someone is German doesn't mean you have to talk to them about Nazis.

Do you want to talk about today? Or, merely what the Good Christians do today?

Not to be offensive, but it seems to me with the way you've been carrying on- that you think Christianity is so loving and perfect that nobody could ever get the message wrong. Or that people have stopped getting it wrong and all the kinks in the system are gone. Or- what Bad club would have you as a member... if you take my meaning.

There is still a lot of bad in it today and it's still destroying lives. You do realize this, don't you?

[disneyboy20022]

I am doing a small group at my local church and they play these tapes that I would encourage non-christians and Christians alike to watch this series....it's very interesting...Super Aurara I think this might be an interesting take on so I thought you might watch it if you get some free time. Black Pearl, and Disney Duster, Lazario, Waltmad, Goliath and anyone else I would encourage you to watch them...part 1 and part 2.....and the whole thing....it defines what comes to your mind when you think of a Christian...

http://www.lifechurch.tv/watch/disciple

Yes i'm quoting myself.....if you have the time watch the first or second episode in that link....It defines what a Christian in today's society has become when we think of the word or that somebody is a christian....Jesus went to the sinners and prostitutes to say his word....and it says in the second video that often people use 2 differ kinds of "bait" they use but only use one....one is truth and one is grace...what Jesus wants us to do is use both.just watch it....the first 20 minute sermon is called no Christians allowed".

[Disney Duster]

Lazario, yes, I realize that sometimes Christianity can be used wrongly or used in ways that ruin people's lives. And no, I don't know what you mean by Bad club.

Disneyboy...okay, those videos you posted...I started watching the first one, and it was very obviously meant for people who are Christian or want to be Christian.

Christian is a term for what you believe in and who you follow. Saying "I am a disciple" is not as specific, and saying "I am a disciple of Christ" is very long. There is nothing wrong with saying we are Christian.

Also, you can believe in and love Christ and be Christian, yet still do those things like get divorces.

I just love and believe in Jesus, and I follow things he says that I think are right and that I think he really said. I do struggle with whether I should just do everything it says in the Bible because it may be right even though I don't feel it is, because "Jesus knows best", but not getting a divorce has made some people very, very miserable. I just trust my heart in what to believe about Jesus and God. I don't need those videos to tell me. My relationship with God is a personal one. I don't need anyone else to tell me what I should do, I just need to know what I believe.

[waltmad]

@ Disneyboy.
I am really pushed for web time just now, so I shall type it at home and put it on a flashdrive to transfer here. But for now, I would like to thank you for that link. I only managed to see part 5 for 25 minutes and agree 100% which is why my family and I live as he spoke of. I will post as I say later. Thanks again. Prepare for attack from the usual directions. … 3 2 1.
By the way the Lord stopped me from answering Lazario the other day and gave me psalm 40. which confirms Satan has no new tricks up his sleeves as this was a psalm written by David thousands of years ago. Exactly as it is today, and look just what he asked God to do to them. So in obedience I sit back, keep my mouth shut concerning them and wait.

[disneyboy20022]

I don't need anyone else to tell me what I should do, I just need to know what I believe.

I fully agree with that statement 110 percent

[Disney Duster]

Well thank you Disneyboy and I am very glad to hear you believe that for yourself, too.

[waltmad]

@ Disneyboy, where do I start. Well 1st of all in my last post, I typed in a rush psalm 40. this was supposed to be psalm 140, I would apologise but as it was just as relevant as 140 perhaps it was not a mistake, but meant to be added.
Your link, as I said, I only managed to watch 25mins of part 5 as I have extremely ltd web time available to me. What I saw was spot on. This is how we live & how God instructs us what when & where to do the things he wants. Right now he has given me the opportunity to tell the good news here & tells me what to write. I read it after as if it were written by someone else. He tells me things I don’t post, because he gives me warnings of what the devil will do next & so on. It is great to be on the winning side with our heavenly father. What the fellah in your link was saying is 100% the only thing in the bit I saw that was not mentioned was not just centring back to Jesus, but to obey God also, which, Jesus being one with the father is God. So obey one you obey the other. I’m sure he says something like this elsewhere.
I have repeatedly said, never mind what anyone says, if they can’t back it up with scripture, forget it. Or put another way, what does the bible have to say on it. Which is why I kept “spamming” bible quotes with everything I said.
Your link said Jesus offended the Pharisees, yep, he was a right rebellious trouble maker in that sense, so when I go with him into places like here, of course it is going to offend & make waves, I am serving my master as best I can & if he is with me telling me what to say, (your link, I will put the words in your mouth what to say) it would have the same effect as when he walked the earth 2000 years ago. Link, a disciple of Jesus goes out, that is what I am doing here, & I don’t need laz’s permission or trying to block me. Incidentally, I was merely a decoy to them but only with truth, when they started attacking Black Pearl, so BP could get past satan trying to block the good news which of course worked.
Link, apostle set out on a mission. Again, that is what is happening here, I have no idea of his plan, I just do as I am told, I find it so much easier & successful if I just obey, as I trust that he knows best.
Link, take his message into the world. Well I am in uk, how many countries have read the message bp & I have spread?
Link, apostle= to be sent. Yes just now it is here.
Link, Mathew ch10. v7 as you go, preach this message: the kingdom of Heaven is near. See end of this post.
Link, you go where God causes you to go. Yep! Right down to where I live, 4 years ago I was in London, & he sold my house & found me another to buy & move into IN 2 WEEKS. It usually takes about 3 months if all goes smoothly. I did not have a place to buy when I had exchanged contracts, but yet again he done the impossible & moved me 100 miles away to somewhere I had never been before. He used this opportunity greatly with national TV newspapers & radio to spread the good news.

See, if we give him the reigns to our life & trust him, we are always better off & our reward will be waiting for us in Heaven. Time & time again, God has set me up with exactly what I need when I need it, & satan just never gives up, trying to rob me, but stay obedient & you cannot go wrong. Now there is the problem for so many, right there. Obedience can be next to impossible, no one has to teach a child how to do wrong, but to do right is another story. God NEVER corrects with reward, but those that love him, he DOES correct, sometimes agonisingly painfully if necessary, because of his enormous love for you. If you accept correction, that’s it, if not, he keeps on till you get it. So if his word says don’t do it, & you do, what do you expect.
Now satan has an arsenal of weapons. It is his job to murder, steal & destroy, by any means possible. He uses lies, confusion deceivement & all manor of tools, including other people. So if you are not of this world but in it, we should not be seeing how much we can get away with but rather how much we can get away from. If satan knows this, he can try & convince you to ask around until you get the answer you want for instance. If you tell them what they want to hear, (ear tickling) they call you a devout Christian, but if you quote God’s word you are called things from religious nut to an attention seeking whore. Go figure. Again never mind what the world says or a religious leader or me, what does the bible, God’s word say. Here are some examples of what I am saying: Ecclesiastes ch12 v 13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: fear God & keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. How many interpretations can people get from that? It clearly says it is your duty to do, as you are told, right?
Mathew ch 5 v 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments & teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of Heaven, but whoever practices & teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. How can that be interpreted other than doing wrong then teaching others that it is ok is in fact a big no no.
John ch 14 v 20-21 on that day you will realise that I am in my father, & you are in me, & I am in you. Whoever has my commandments & obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my father, & I too will love him & show myself to him. So many people are deceived on this one, they say things like ‘I love Jesus’ & yet by the confession of their own mouths they do not follow his commands. They may be 100% sincere but are sincerely wrong going by this verse.
Mathew ch 12 v 30 He who is not with me is against me, & he who does not gather with me scatters. I.e. you are for or against. He is the master we serve him, not the other way around. So you see from these few examples, it is impossible with all satan does to stop us, to make it into heaven under our own steam. However once a child of God (see previous posts) he teaches, supports, gives guidance & strength & so on, enough to help you through this exciting journey that ends up in your eternal home, Heaven. I am homesick for real & cant wait. I personally believe the rapture is aprox 2012 & the 2nd coming in the fall of 2015 so not long to wait if I am right. But I would go today if it were alright with him. Death has no victory for those that FOLLOW him. We are up against it now more than ever, as the bible says satan knows his days grow short in the last days, so he will try harder to take more souls. But he only has the power to do this through peoples own choices. & Just to try & cover everything, the ‘fear of the Lord’ is a good thing, like fearing your earthly father, you know (normally) you trust & respect him as a child, well he wants the same. A magazine called tomorrows world is given out freely, & their Sept Oct 2010 issue has a 5 page article on the subject. www.tomorrowsworld.org among other things.
Thanks again for your link, I would love to see more but as I explained, I cant. Reason being, when I moved here I found I did not need a phone so removed the line. Since then as there is nothing but earthly trash on TV. I gave that up. Now I am toward the end of selling all my DVD’s including Disney. I had nearly every one ever from Disney, but the Lord showed me how it is just another thing of the world & after BP’s post about the voo doo in princess & the frog, the direction Disney has taken, & some of the attitudes it now attracts. So I sold most of them & put the money towards work for him.

[Lazario]

By the way the Lord stopped me from answering Lazario the other day and gave me psalm 40. which confirms Satan has no new tricks up his sleeves

And neither do you.

Who knew you both had so much in common?

[waltmad]

Actually i corrected it to psalm 140. & by the way, God & i both love you.

[Lazario]

by the way, God & i both love you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oNrreaCeDY#t=0m42s

That's sweet.

[Goliath]

I still crack up everytime I read waltmad's signature. Until now I've only read about such crackpots, but I had never met them before.

[CJ]

Since the personal attacks continue, I am locking this thread.