Famous Movies You've Never Seen

[jpanimation]

Anyway, looked over others' lists to get an idea. I realized I actually a pretty good track record film-wise. But I need to catch up on my musicals. It's just too bad that 'musical' and 'interesting' seem to rarely go together (outside Disney). I remember West Side Story was a real chore to get through.

A Clockwork Orange
Casablanca (I was going to watch it one day, but only taped it; haven't watched it yet)
The Star Wars series
The King and I
My Fair Lady
Hello, Dolly!
The Sound of Music (still haven't seen most of the middle; was really boring)
Oklahoma
Fiddler on the Roof (I've seen the first half of this, and I really loved it; hope I get another chance to finish it soon)
The Godfather
Chinatown
2001: A Space Odyssey (this was playing a few weeks ago on Turner Classic Movies channel, but I missed it)
Pulp Fiction
Ben-Hur
Lawrence of Arabia
Old Yeller
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1939 version)
The Indiana Jones films
The James Bond films
The Back to the Future trilogy
The Transformers films
Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit
Grave of the Fireflies

I recently sat down and watched the Alien trilogy a month or so ago. The first one was really the only one I liked--the plot was skimpy, but there was more of an atmosphere to it. The third one was so-so. Second was the worst.

Pretty good track record? WTF is wrong with you? Go out and watch the Back to the Future trilogy NOW

Anyways, your list is crazy and it's hard to believe you haven't seen some of these movies (I've seen every damn thing on your list). The Indiana Jones series is another one, watch Raiders of the Lost Arc and The Last Crusade NOW (avoid the other two). If you're going to watch the James Bond series, the only two I can recommend are Goldfinger and Casino Royale (I don't care for the rest of them). You should also give Star Wars a try, starting with the first one (Episode IV: A New Hope), just avoid the Special Edition version. It's sequel, (Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back) is the best film in the entire series and the Special Edition version is not that bad. These are the ones that you just assume everyone has seen.

The Godfather, Pulp Fiction and Casablanca are personal favorites of mine.

This. Also:
Any Alfred Hitchcock movie
2001: A Space Odyssey
Die Hard

NO HITCHCOCK?!?!?!?!?!

Let me recommend to you in order: North by Northwest, Rear Window, Psycho, and Strangers on a Train. You should crave more after this helping of Hitch and there is plenty more greats to get your fix.

I recommend you see 2001: A Space Odyssey, since it's so iconic, but I personally don't like it that much (then again, I wasn't on drugs either of the times I watched it so I wasn't getting the full experience). My personal favorites of Kubrick are The Killing and Paths of Glory.

As for Die Hard, I actually just saw that for the first time last year (so don't feel bad), and was surprised how much I liked it. I saw all the sequels but they just don't hold up to the original.

anyway, I havent seen(cont.)

Lawrence of Arabia
The Shining
Any of the "Chuckie" movies
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
The Producers(1969)
Any Errol Flynn movie
Citizen Cane
Goodfellas
The original Star Trek films
Mission: Impossible
Top Gun

No 'Chuckie' movies huh? The first two Child's Play movies are alright, don't expect any scares, as they've basically become a parody of themselves. I absolutely love the character of Chucky, he's funny and he knows how to be campy. Supposedly they were going to remake the original for a 2011 release, and actually make it scary this time but I haven't heard anything on this as of late.

As for Errol Flynn movies, you will definitely need to check out Captain Blood, his best and The Adventures of Robin Hood is pretty good too. I can't really think of any others I liked enough to recommend.

If you really want to put yourself through the original Star Trek films, skip the first one. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was the only one I enjoyed enough to recommend to you (although, I haven't set seen any of the 4 that were made without the original crew).

[Lazario]

Warning: Adult Language

[The Godfather]And cliches.

No, it's other gangster dramas, which tried so hard to imitate The Godfather, that created the clichés. The trilogy by Coppola is a very original piece of art.

Seriously though, it's not the movies themselves that turn me off. I've never liked a gangster film that wasn't a comedy, but still it's not that. It's the damn straight guys who are so obsessed with this thing, it ceases being a film and becomes a lifestyle accessory (much like the Star Wars revolution with nerds, which I also opt out of a part in). [...]

That's incredibly silly. So you're going to rob yourself of a great movie experience just because some fans are obsessive over it? Well then, don't ever listen to Lady Gaga anymore. She's got her fair share of nut job fans. Don't ever watch horror movies anymore. There's freaks out there who like to re-enact them.

All that junk and not even giving The Godfather a chance?

Dude... live in America. You'll understand what I mean. You don't see anyone else here challenging my post. They know I'm right. (They don't care - because they're either fans or know someone who is a huge fan - but they know I'm right nonetheless)

Why not watch a film and judge it for yourself?

I've sat through the first half twice before in my life.

It may be the greatest kind of drama (already my least favorite genre, tied with action- which is just drama + fights and explosions, anyway) there is: raw conflict without a point to it. But it bored me.

So, do forgive me if I take what you're saying with something of a truckload of salt. You who thinks the Coens are boring and has bashed horror films (the greatest genre there ever was, thank you very much) and has no taste in music because you think it always needs a certain kind of message to it. You made a jackass out of yourself in the Best Albums of 2000-2009 thread in your replies to me, telling me outright: you don't care about other genres. I already said twice on this board before that Gaga couldn't hold a candle to Goldfrapp and Roisin Murphy. But you didn't even know who they were. Because you care so much about music and know more than I do (you sure act like it).

I just don't care about stupid gangsters. I like to laugh at their miserable, idiotic asses. They get more money than they're usually worth and the media treats them like heroes because straight guys have a hard-on for their lives because of the Hollywood stereotypes. Movies like this are what glamorized them. And, fuck Christopher Nolan. His gritty, realstic Batman's? Got news for both of you: that hack's a fourth-rate Danny Boyle knock-off wannabe on his best day! Ex-cuse the hell out of me for sticking to my sense of taste. At least I have one.

[UmbrellaFish]

Of course, I’m sure there’s hundreds of more films I haven’t seen, but…

Really Want to See-
Casablanca
Schindler's List
The Exorcist
A Streetcar Named Desire
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
Ed Wood
Metropolis
Wait Until Dark
The Sword and the Rose
The Song of the South
Watership Down
Slumdog Millionaire
Gladiator
Camelot
The L-Shaped Room

Want to See-
The Godfather Trilogy
Citizen Kane
Brokeback Mountain
The Graduate
Psycho
North by Northwest
Poltergeist
Clue
The Producers (musical)
A Little Night Music
The Importance of Being Earnest
Seven Samurai
Inglorious Basterds
Vertigo
Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind
The Bridge on the River Kwai
All About Eve
The Maltese Falcon
The Great Escape
Strangers on a Train
The Manchurian Candidate (both versions)
Princess Monoke
It Happened One Night
8 1/2
Nine
V for Vendetta
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
A Star is Born (Streisand)
Passion of the Christ
The Adventures of Robin Hood
Gulliver's Travels

I Can Wait to See-
Lord of the Rings series
Alien
Oklahoma
Shawshank Redemption
Lawrence of Arabia
The Music Man
South Pacific
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
Oliver!
High Noon
Duck Soup
The Nun's Story
Sabrina
The Rocketeer
Rebecca
2001: A Space Odyssey
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
Braveheart
Great Expectations
Arsenic and Old Lace
Laura
Nosferatu
Bringing Up Baby
My Friend Flicka
A Star is Born (Gaynor)
King of Kings

Not So Sure What This is About, But I Think I Might Like it-
Pulp Fiction
Fight Club
Romeo + Juliet
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
How the West Was Won
Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
Chinatown
Pan's Labyrinth

Not So Sure What This is About, So…-
Clockwork Orange
Requiem for a Dream
Fargo
The Big Lebowski
Life of Brian
Full Metal Jacket
Die Hard

I Don‘t Really Care-
Harry Potter series
Back to the Future Trilogy
Rocky
Monty Python and the Holy Grail

And, as a bonus-

Julie’s Movies I Haven‘t Seen-
The Singing Princess
The Tamarind Seed
10
Little Miss Marker
The Trail of the Pink Panther
The Man Who Loved Women
A Fine Romance
Unconditional Love

[Goliath]

The Indiana Jones films
The Back to the Future trilogy

I don't know anybody who doesn't like those films. You'll guaranteed to have a good time watching them.

As for Die Hard, I actually just saw that for the first time last year (so don't feel bad), and was surprised how much I liked it. I saw all the sequels but they just don't hold up to the original.

Die Hard is one of the few action movies I enjoy, because of the clever script and the anti-hero that Bruce Willis plays. He's not your typical 'action movie hero' who saves the day without blinking his eyes. He's dragged into trouble against his will and he's not sure how to make it out of it alive. That's where the 4th installment went wrong, among *many* other things. The sequel was just okay, but the third (Die Hard with a Vengeance) was brilliant again, thanks to the original director returning and having a strong villain again.

anyway, I havent seen(cont.)

Top Gun

Skip that one. You might just as well watch a commercial for the US military.

Really Want to See-
Casablanca
Metropolis

Want to See-
The Godfather Trilogy
Citizen Kane
Brokeback Mountain
The Graduate
Psycho
Strangers on a Train
It Happened One Night

Those are all excellent films. There were more fine films in that list, but I just kept the ones that rate the highest in my book.

I Can Wait to See-
Alien
Shawshank Redemption
High Noon
Duck Soup
Braveheart

Both Alien and Braveheart are incredibly overrated, in my opinion. I would watch Alien at least to have seen it, since it's kind of an iconic film, but Braveheart isn't really a priority if you're talking about catching up on classic films.

Not So Sure What This is About, But I Think I Might Like it-
Pulp Fiction
Fight Club
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

Now I don't know what your general taste is, but these are all excellent films, though jpanimation is right that Fight Club is overrated. That's not to say it's a bad movie, but it gets more praise than it deserves, to be fair. But still, a great movie experience. (It's really an 'experience'; or it was to me.)

Not So Sure What This is About, So…-
Clockwork Orange
Requiem for a Dream
Fargo
The Big Lebowski
Life of Brian
Full Metal Jacket
Die Hard

Very different films from very different genres. Requiem for a dream is a very intense, haunting drama that deals with the human effects of drugs abuse, but not in a preachy way. Unlike a lot of movies about that subject, Requiem doesn't tell, but shows. In a cinematic way you'll never forget.

I Don‘t Really Care-
Back to the Future Trilogy

Oh, but you *will* once you've seen the first half hour of it.

[Goliath]

Dude... live in America. You'll understand what I mean. You don't see anyone else here challenging my post. They know I'm right. (They don't care - because they're either fans or know someone who is a huge fan - but they know I'm right nonetheless)

So you're saying nobody is challenging your posts because they live in America? And that I don't "understand" that you are "right" because I don't live there?





Are you now going to use my background every time you disagree with me to "prove" that you are "right"? Why don't you just admit you're trying to be oh so interesting by 'refusing' to watch something because 'everybody' already watches it? That you, in a delusional state of mind, think that somehow that makes you a rebel? "Ooooh, look at me, I don't watch popular films because I don't want to be like the common people!"

It may be the greatest kind of drama (already my least favorite genre, tied with action- which is just drama + fights and explosions, anyway) there is: raw conflict without a point to it.

Then you didn't understood the movie. You can hate it. With passion. But to say there was no point to it, is just missing what the movie's all about.

So, do forgive me if I take what you're saying with something of a truckload of salt.

You who thinks the Coens are boring and has bashed horror films (the greatest genre there ever was, thank you very much) and has no taste in music because you think it always needs a certain kind of message to it.

Can somebody call a whaaaaaaaambulance for Lazario? He's getting fanatical again. Just some advice for you, kids: never ever disagree with uncle Lazario or he will get mad. Mad, I tell you!

You made a jackass out of yourself in the Best Albums of 2000-2009 thread in your replies to me, telling me outright: you don't care about other genres.

No, I didn't. Not that this has got anything to do with the thread at hand, which is about movies you've never seen, but again: no, I didn't. Check the thread's title, Lazario: it's called "Famous movies you've never seen". It's not called: "Bashing Goliath to get revenge over a post he made a year ago". Can you see the difference now?

Seriously, if you can't stand your tastes getting challenged, don't come here. If you think you are "right" about something as personal as tastes and think "everybody knows you're right", don't come here. And if you're going to get raving mad about, don't come here. Or at least try not to be such a hypocrite about it, since you're judging people's tastes yourself all the time.

I already said twice on this board before that Gaga couldn't hold a candle to Goldfrapp and Roisin Murphy. But you didn't even know who they were. Because you care so much about music and know more than I do (you sure act like it).

So because I didn't know Roisin Murphy (who *does*?) (Goldfrapp I knew) I don't care about.... No, wait, why am I replying to this again? I forgot: don't feed the troll!

I just don't care about stupid gangsters. I like to laugh at their miserable, idiotic asses. They get more money than they're usually worth and the media treats them like heroes because straight guys have a hard-on for their lives because of the Hollywood stereotypes.

Replace 'straight' with 'gay' and all hell would break loose at UD for making such a generalizing, derogatory comment. But I guess if you're from 'the other side', it's okay to paint all people with a broad brush, isn't it? And then they still say they're behind in emancipation. You sure are emancipated enough to join the straight crowd in making generalizing statements about whole groups of people.

And, fuck Christopher Nolan. His gritty, realstic Batman's? Got news for both of you: that hack's a fourth-rate Danny Boyle knock-off wannabe on his best day! Ex-cuse the hell out of me for sticking to my sense of taste. At least I have one.

[Disney's Divinity]

^

I don't know...the one on the right looks pretty nice.

Pretty good track record? WTF is wrong with you? Go out and watch the Back to the Future trilogy NOW

I've watched the beginning of the first, but it kind of bored me. I know I've had plenty of chances to watch the series though--ABCFamily plays it just about every other weekend.

Most of the other stuff on my list are either things I've wanted to see, but haven't had the chance (Clockwork Orange, Wererabbit, Grave of the Fireflies) or I just haven't wanted to (Pulp Fiction, Ben-Hur, etc.), mostly because adventure/action films have never really caught my interest. Oh, and there are a bunch of romantic comedies I haven't seen for the same reason--it's the genre with the most cliches and (generally) the laziest acting.

But I thought I had seen some of the better films on a lot of other people's lists. It feels like a crime against nature to learn someone has never seen Gone With The Wind.

[KubrickFan]

I just don't care about stupid gangsters. I like to laugh at their miserable, idiotic asses. They get more money than they're usually worth and the media treats them like heroes because straight guys have a hard-on for their lives because of the Hollywood stereotypes. Movies like this are what glamorized them.

That's just wrong. The Godfather movies are anything but glamorizing. You should try to watch them without being prejudiced. Actually, so is Scarface, but somehow the rap culture still thinks Tony Montana is a hero. Morons. Nevertheless, the movie doesn't glamorize gangsters at all.

[Goliath]

That's just wrong. The Godfather movies are anything but glamorizing. You should try to watch them without being prejudiced. Actually, so is Scarface, but somehow the rap culture still thinks Tony Montana is a hero. Morons. Nevertheless, the movie doesn't glamorize gangsters at all.

Excellent point! I can't believe I let that one slip. The Godfather *is* about a honest, young Italian-American WW II hero, who has always stayed away from his family's mob practices, but gets involved nonetheless and ends up being the family's new leader. He was basically a good guy, but ends up being a killer, and in the process he loses his one true love. Coppola has said that it was his intention that the audience condemned Michael Corleone at the end of the movie. When he saw the public in cinemas cheer him on at the end, he decided to make Michael even more ruthless in the sequel, to make sure the audience understood the Corleone's lives are not something to glorify.

The same goes for Tony Montana in Scarface, also played by Al Pacino.

But I do get what Lazario, in his own obnoxious way, is saying. I've known young men who thought the Corleones and Montana were really cool guys, and they wanted to imitate them. These are often not the most intelligent people to begin with, and they don't pick up on a movie's message quickly, unless they're beaten over the head with it. They only pick up the parts that they like; the parts that are easy to take in, on a superficial level.

But it's nonsense to discredit a whole genre of films that way just because of a small part of its fanbase.

[UmbrellaFish]

Really Want to See-
Casablanca
Metropolis

Want to See-
The Godfather Trilogy
Citizen Kane
Brokeback Mountain
The Graduate
Psycho
Strangers on a Train
It Happened One Night

Those are all excellent films. There were more fine films in that list, but I just kept the ones that rate the highest in my book.

Actually, Margos' posts about Metropolis have convinced me that I need to see this movie. I'll also be watching It Happened One Night soon thanks to TCM.

Not So Sure What This is About, But I Think I Might Like it-
Pulp Fiction
Fight Club
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

Now I don't know what your general taste is, but these are all excellent films, though jpanimation is right that Fight Club is overrated. That's not to say it's a bad movie, but it gets more praise than it deserves, to be fair. But still, a great movie experience. (It's really an 'experience'; or it was to me.)

Hmm, then... Hmm... I guess I'll have to look "Fight Club" up sometime.

Not So Sure What This is About, So…-
Clockwork Orange
Requiem for a Dream
Fargo
The Big Lebowski
Life of Brian
Full Metal Jacket
Die Hard

Very different films from very different genres. Requiem for a dream is a very intense, haunting drama that deals with the human effects of drugs abuse, but not in a preachy way. Unlike a lot of movies about that subject, Requiem doesn't tell, but shows. In a cinematic way you'll never forget.

So I take it you enjoyed "Requiem"? Honestly, I had never heard of it before I read this thread, so it's news to me. It sounds interesting.

[Goliath]

So I take it you enjoyed "Requiem"? Honestly, I had never heard of it before I read this thread, so it's news to me. It sounds interesting.

Yes, I enjoyed it very much. I saw it the first time in my first year of Film Studies in university. I couldn't get it out of my head for the next couple of weeks. I have watched it at least 4 or 5 times (or parts of it) in the past three or four years. What's good about it, is that it's a marvel on the techincal front (and therefore interesting to me), but not in such a way that it takes away from the story. It's not a pleasant film. It doesn't omit *anything* when it comes to the consequences of the characters' addictions. Not in a gross kind of way, but it's heavy on the mind. But considering it clocks in at 90 minutes, you can't really go wrong with this film. It grabbed me from the first minute, but others find it too confronting.

[jpanimation]

I envy all of you who haven't seen some of these great movies yet. What I would give to experience them for the first time again. I also envy those of you who haven't seen some of the crap listed here, as I wish I could erase them from my mind.

[Lazario]

I just don't care about stupid gangsters. I like to laugh at their miserable, idiotic asses. They get more money than they're usually worth and the media treats them like heroes because straight guys have a hard-on for their lives because of the Hollywood stereotypes. Movies like this are what glamorized them.

That's just wrong. The Godfather movies are anything but glamorizing.

I know they're not meant to be. And taken the way they were made, I'm sure you're right. But - and I don't expect Goliath to actually think about what I was saying because he'd rather take it out of context to insult me instead of ask me what I meant (and in the words of Madam Mim; "I'll take care of you later- Featherbrain") - you wouldn't know that based on American culture. The straight guys who are so insane for this movie do exactly what I said. They reduce it to an image, to them these guys are cool and tough and masculine. And are Italian (a romance language they see as being okay to like because French is faggy) and have money and command respect through fear, etc. The drama may touch people but the stereotypes are all we see. And I refuse to let anyone insult me because I reject that kind of thing. Completely. Nobody requires us to watch these movies and I can have whatever reason I want to for not giving a damn about them.

You should try to watch them without being prejudiced. Actually, so is Scarface, but somehow the rap culture still thinks Tony Montana is a hero.

If you think it's music personalities that forced "Say hello to my lidduw friend" into our international cultural lexicon (and I'm not saying you do), you're living in a dream world.

[Goliath]

But - and I don't expect Goliath to actually think about what I was saying because he'd rather take it out of context to insult me instead of ask me what I meant

Wait, wait... *Who* started to insult who again? Was *I* the one who said that you didn't "get it" because you live in another country? Was *I* the one who dug up years old threads to take anything you said in there out of context? That was you, sir.

(and in the words of Madam Mim; "I'll take care of you later- Featherbrain")

Hmmm, threats. How sophisticated. Go ahead, sir, I can't wait to see you making a jackass out of yourself again.

The straight guys who are so insane for this movie do exactly what I said. They reduce it to an image, to them these guys are cool and tough and masculine.

I ask you again (but I don't really expect an answer from you): why is it wrong for 'us' to make generalizing and derogatory statements about gay people, but is it perfectly acceptable for you to do so about straight people?

And I refuse to let anyone insult me because I reject that kind of thing. Completely. Nobody requires us to watch these movies and I can have whatever reason I want to for not giving a damn about them.

Nobody insulted you. Somebody disagreed with your taste in movies and you went ballistic --like you *always* do. I questioned your reasons for not liking The Godfather, which were beyond ridiculous, and you repeated them above, in your reply to KubrickFan. Because your 'motivation' is outright silly. You refuse to give a movie a fair and balanced judgement because of the behavior of a very small portion of its fans. Of course you have a right to hold that position and nobody is "making" you change it, but we have the right to point out how stupid it is and how you only do it for attention-whoring and trying to be 'different', without you attacking everybody who disagrees with you.

If you want to be taken seriously, Lazario, you'll have to come up with a better and more sophisticated argument than "fuck Christopher Nolan".

[KubrickFan]

I know they're not meant to be. And taken the way they were made, I'm sure you're right. But - and I don't expect Goliath to actually think about what I was saying because he'd rather take it out of context to insult me instead of ask me what I meant (and in the words of Madam Mim; "I'll take care of you later- Featherbrain") - you wouldn't know that based on American culture. The straight guys who are so insane for this movie do exactly what I said. They reduce it to an image, to them these guys are cool and tough and masculine. And are Italian (a romance language they see as being okay to like because French is faggy) and have money and command respect through fear, etc. The drama may touch people but the stereotypes are all we see. And I refuse to let anyone insult me because I reject that kind of thing. Completely. Nobody requires us to watch these movies and I can have whatever reason I want to for not giving a damn about them.

Sure you can have a reason, but if you know they're not meant to be seen that way. That they're just taken that way by some stupid people who can't see the real message these movies try to tell, then why do you object so much to them? It's like refusing to watch movies like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty, because Disney treats them as appendages to their Princess line. There's so much more to these movies, and it's a shame that you refuse it for whatever reason. But that's just me.

If you think it's music personalities that forced "Say hello to my lidduw friend" into our international cultural lexicon (and I'm not saying you do), you're living in a dream world.

Frankly, I don't know where and how they started, and I don't care. I just think it's incredibly ironic that people can look at someone like Tony Montana or Michael Corleone and see a role model. Doesn't destroy the movies for me, though. Far from it.

[BelleGirl]

A famous movie I've never seen and do not want to see is A Clockwork Orange. I have a feeling I will not be able to stand the violence in this movie. I'm not really a sissy wheb it comes to watching violence (I've sat through Braveheart) but there are limits. This is also the reason why I've avoided watching The Passion of the Christ so far, though movies about Jesus always interest me.

Maybe UD-rs will argue that ACO is a very good story, probably they are right. As an alternative, I can read the book instead.

[Goliath]

It's like refusing to watch movies like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty, because Disney treats them as appendages to their Princess line. There's so much more to these movies, and it's a shame that you refuse it for whatever reason.

Game, set, match!

[Lazario]

Sorry, KubrickFan - I will get to what you're saying soon.

I questioned your reasons for not liking The Godfather, which were beyond ridiculous, and you repeated them above, in your reply to KubrickFan. Because your 'motivation' is outright silly. You refuse to give a movie a fair and balanced judgement because of the behavior of a very small portion of its fans.

Do I really have to explain this? You can think about something I've said beyond just the words I used, can't you? Here I go anyway - you do not live in America, you do not know how large or small the fan relationship to the film is over here and how they express their "appreciation" for it in the culture. And hell, if U.K.'s Coupling is any indication (with Star Wars, Alien, and Reservoir Dogs being their examples of how straight guys celebrate what they've made popular "guy's" movie stereotypes for the "join the club, we'll all drink and be dumb together" mentality), what I was talking about actually travels the globe.

I never said people weren't allowed to use the gay culture's fascination with images and icons to mock something about them - I do it too. I'm sure we all do. It doesn't mean we hold all gay people to the same standards. I believe we are all created equal. Equally able to be superficial. But that judgment, coming from you, is just a little too easy for you to make. You've already been accused of holding a homophobic / bigoted view here before, or have you forgotten?

Oh, and in case you have gone braindead... Check the records. Who here brought up Lady Gaga first? Which you did as a means to insult me. You, my dear PHONY, started this. And this is exactly what you asked for. You like pissing people off. You knew exactly what to say to push my buttons. But exactly who do you think you are to be using my like for Lady Gaga to insinuate that I'm stupid? I never said you have to think to get someone like her. Or that not-thinking is the way to understand The Godfather trilogy. You're not using anything I've said against me, you're taking it out of context. Just like I said you were.

the one who dug up years old threads

I did it for a reason. To say - you never change. You're still the same guy you were years ago who doesn't think about what the other person is saying beyond how far you can twist it to use as an insult. Which does not send the message that you honestly believe that other person worded it poorly, it sends the message that you think you're smarter than they are. That interests you more than the meaning.

You're the hypocrite here, not me. You're the attention whore, and you know you get it with your stupid friggin' pictures which you don't even earn the sarcasm or irony or satirical intent behind when you use them. You use them like an actual whore would- riding them for the empty thrill and hope they do all the work for you. That way, you don't have to make a point at all. You can do what you do best, sling insults.

I can't wait to see you making a jackass out of yourself again.

Point, and match. You haven't changed- I called you that first and just like you used to do and I pointed over a year ago: to take something away from the other person, you pretend they didn't say it to you first.

You are so phony, I want to laugh. But you're so cheap in your arguments, and have no shame at all in the way you execute them - you're not worth it. Just like your last post (and to be honest, this one as well) wasn't worth responding to (but I just thought it was long since time you needed a spoonful of your own medicine).

Of course you have a right to hold that position and nobody is "making" you change it, but we have the right to point out how stupid it is without you attacking everybody who disagrees with you.

You attacked me first. You just think most people won't notice the manipulative way you phrased it.

If you want to be taken seriously, Lazario, you'll have to come up with a better and more sophisticated argument than "fuck Christopher Nolan".

You get as good as you give.

You think I owe anyone a serious, detailed answer on my Christopher Nolan opinion? I gave him the same amount of substance you gave to The Coen brothers.

[Goliath]

Do I really have to explain this? You can think about something I've said beyond just the words I used, can't you? Here I go anyway - you do not live in America, you do not know how large or small the fan relationship to the film is over here and how they express their "appreciation" for it in the culture.

I don't give a rat's ass about that. Because, as KubrickFan has pointed out so eloquently, that's irrelevant. Completely besides the point. A moot point. It has nothing to do with the intrinsic value of the movie. You're judging a movie because of a small portion of its fans. Heck, even if all its fans behaved like a loon, it would still be irrelevant. You keep making the false argument, *then* act like all the others don't understand it. We understand it. It's just that your entire point is worthless.

But that judgment, coming from you, is just a little too easy for you to make. You've already been accused of holding a homophobic / bigoted view here before, or have you forgotten?

I could accuse you right here of being a wife-beater. I could accuse you here of being a racist. I could accuse you here of being a drunk. Would that *make* you a wife-beater, a racist or a drunk?

Why can't you ever have a discussion without trying to blacken somebody?

No... wait... You know what? If THIS is how you want to talk to people, by accusing them of being homophobic, I don't even WANT to continue this discussion. This is really below any decent standards. I've read the rest of your posts, but it is just so VILE, such an assassination of my character, that I see no point in continuing it.

I honestly don't know what has suddenly gotten into you --although this kind of sub-standard behavior is not new for you, and must be the reason why you were eventually kicked off the forum. (A wise decision, I might add.)

[Lazario]

Why can't you ever have a discussion without trying to blacken somebody?

Hey- we're talking about you here. Don't forget. You already blackened yourself. It's too late to try and switch this around on me. You had to make that crack about horror movies and Lady Gaga. You made this personal.

Oh, and Duster is the one if I'm not mistaken who made the accusation. I just said back when he made it that it had a rare ring of truth to it. It should have at least given you pause for thought. But oh no, not you.

I honestly don't know what has suddenly gotten into you --although this kind of sub-standard behavior is not new for you, and must be the reason why you were eventually kicked off the forum. (A wise decision, I might add).

I treat everyone who starts crap with me the same way. You had every opportunity to THINK me whatever you wanted for my opinions on The Godfather's reputation and walk away. But you did not. You never do. You have to try and correct every single person. I do that sometimes, but damn- I do have boundaries. You don't. You think anything's fair game in the name of the great movie you're protecting. And you didn't even stop to see the humor in my point about the Coens. Just like in the music discussion where you should really remember that almost no one was on your side. I really tried to talk to you like you were a human being and you literally took a huge chunk of music genres and said you didn't care about them. Like they were dirt and had no merit to them whatsoever. No, that comment did not come off as "I don't really listen to that." You entered the thread with an attitude that every music genre you don't care about was vapid and music was more about thinking than feeling. More objective than subjective. A person rarely forgets something like that. Fast forward to now: I was taking this all in the spirit of fair, open discussion until you had to insult me. Which you did. And you knew it would push my buttons. Re-read it and tell me, honestly, how that's something that should have rolled off my back!

You never change.

[Goliath]

Hey- we're talking about you here. Don't forget. You already blackened yourself. It's too late to try and switch this around on me. You had to make that crack about horror movies and Lady Gaga. You made this personal.

Aha! THERE it is! NOW we've finally coming to the point! I criticised something you LIKE. Not you, yourself. I didn't attack YOU. I didn't offend you as a person. I merely criticised something you like.

And if you think THAT makes it 'personal' and makes it allright to go ballistic on me and declare war, making unfounded accusations, and behave like a nutjob, you are not delusional, but also a madman. And I pity you for it. Because you have made a fool out of yourself.

You are only here to flame. That's why you were kicked off and that's what you're still doing now. A subtle sentence like : "nobody [in that thread] was on your side" reveals it all. You are here for a fight. For an 'us versus them' kind of experience. That's why you always have to fan the flames. And then turn everything around --but that's classic troll behaviour.