Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince

All topics relating to Disney-branded content.
User avatar
MickeyMousePal
Signature Collection
Posts: 6629
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:40 pm
Location: The Incredibles LA!!!
Contact:

Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince

Post by MickeyMousePal »

I got the Source from http://www.animated-news.com/
Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince
As reported previously, famed Disney animator Andreas Deja is being confirmed as working on the company's "midquel" to the 1942 classic Bambi. The new film, currently in production under the title of Bambi And The Great Prince, is your basic teenage angst tale, dealing with Bambi coping with his Father, the Great Prince, and his finding of a new mate while an orphaned Bambi comes to terms with his Mother's death. Despite some strong (and anticipated) backtalk at Animation Nation, there could be some hope: Andreas' involvement could be great for the project, though many feel it is very sad to see an artist of his stature working on such a film. Thanks to Inkan in the AN Forum for the news and links.
No, don't make a Bambi sequel you'll only destory the Masterpiece Classic.
Bambi doesn't need a sequel since it's coming to Plaitum Edition in March of 2005 I guess Disney wants to release Bambi 2.
No!!!! No!!! Cheapsequels!!!!! :x
The Simpsons Season 11 Buy it Now!

Fox Sunday lineup:

8:00 The Simpsons
8:30 King of the Hill
9:00 Family Guy
9:30 American Dad

Living in the 1980's:
Image
User avatar
AwallaceUNC
Signature Collection
Posts: 9439
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:00 am
Contact:

Post by AwallaceUNC »

Well, I'll run through my usual line of 'I support the possibility of sequels if they do them well, and I'll watch it and give it a chance, BUT...'

I think this sounds like a very weak plotline. Like I say, I'll try my best to keep an open mind.

-Aaron
• Author of Hocus Pocus in Focus: The Thinking Fan's Guide to Disney's Halloween Classic
and The Thinking Fan's Guide to Walt Disney World: Magic Kingdom (Epcot coming soon)
• Host of Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Pod, the longest-running Disney podcast
• Entertainment Writer & Moderator at DVDizzy.com
• Twitter - @aaronspod
User avatar
toonaspie
Anniversary Edition
Posts: 1438
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:17 am

Re: Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince

Post by toonaspie »

Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince
As reported previously, famed Disney animator Andreas Deja is being confirmed as working on the company's "midquel" to the 1942 classic Bambi. The new film, currently in production under the title of Bambi And The Great Prince, is your basic teenage angst tale, dealing with Bambi coping with his Father, the Great Prince, and his finding of a new mate while an orphaned Bambi comes to terms with his Mother's death. Despite some strong (and anticipated) backtalk at Animation Nation, there could be some hope: Andreas' involvement could be great for the project, though many feel it is very sad to see an artist of his stature working on such a film. Thanks to Inkan in the AN Forum for the news and links.
BOOOOOOOOORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!!!!

Or better yet it's been done! IN EVERY DARN SEQUEL!!!!!!!!!!!
User avatar
Paka
Anniversary Edition
Posts: 1094
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:38 pm
Location: Minnesota

Post by Paka »

I absolutely shudder at this idea. Even though I heard a Bambi cheapquel was in the works a long time ago, it's still as painful whenever I hear new news about it. :cry:

Bambi was one of my absolute favorites as a kid - I even ranked it number 2 on my UD Animated Film Countdown list. It's a timeless, beautifully visualized allegory that's often dismissed as a cutesy baby animal flick. Well, sure, it has baby animal moments, but there's a good measure of darkness in there, too. "Man" - though a tad demonized - is a very real threat to the characters, culminating in the very final death of Bambi's mother. You don't see her, but you know she's dead, and you know she's not coming back. Even a young kid will pick this up. There's a lot about Bambi that lets it deserve that "Masterpiece" title - a term that the Disney of today throws around so freely.

And to take these characters and throw them into an ultra-human, ultra-contemporary situation is just... ugh. My revulsion is beyond description. Teen angst? Single parent situations? The grief process? A "stepmother"? Sounds like a child psychologist's wet dream. And completely inappropriate for these characters. I mean, beyond their hallowed status, can you honestly see a bunch of deer playing this soap opera out?! It's absolutely ridiculous! :evil:

Disney has gone way too shamelessly far this time. This is almost as bad as a Snow White cheapquel. :x
Life often leaves us standing bare, naked and dejected with a lost opportunity. Over the bleached bones and jumbled residues of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words: "Too late."

~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
User avatar
Prince Phillip
Anniversary Edition
Posts: 1419
Joined: Mon May 12, 2003 11:48 am
Location: Baltimore, MD

Re: Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince

Post by Prince Phillip »

toonaspie wrote:
Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince
As reported previously, famed Disney animator Andreas Deja is being confirmed as working on the company's "midquel" to the 1942 classic Bambi. The new film, currently in production under the title of Bambi And The Great Prince, is your basic teenage angst tale, dealing with Bambi coping with his Father, the Great Prince, and his finding of a new mate while an orphaned Bambi comes to terms with his Mother's death. Despite some strong (and anticipated) backtalk at Animation Nation, there could be some hope: Andreas' involvement could be great for the project, though many feel it is very sad to see an artist of his stature working on such a film. Thanks to Inkan in the AN Forum for the news and links.
BOOOOOOOOORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!!!!

Or better yet it's been done! IN EVERY DARN SEQUEL!!!!!!!!!!!
Technically Bambi was "orphaned" because he still had his father...

I will definately give this a chance...
Defy Gravity
User avatar
Ludwig Von Drake
Special Edition
Posts: 587
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:46 pm
Location: New Jersey, USA

Post by Ludwig Von Drake »

I really hope that this falls through just as Dumbo II did.
User avatar
Hey Pluto
Member
Posts: 35
Joined: Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:58 am
Location: kansas city

Post by Hey Pluto »

Why can't they just give the whole sequel thing a rest? The sequels are usually korny and of little entertainment value. I have seen only one decent sequel and that was Lion King 1 1/2. Only sequel i've seen that I've liked. Technically it wasn't a sequel.
User avatar
DreamerQ18
Anniversary Edition
Posts: 1510
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:41 pm
Location: Daytona Beach Florida
Contact:

Post by DreamerQ18 »

This is total CRAP :x I dont want a sequal to this movie I wish they would put more effort into making other new movies then ruining the ones that exist I want this project to fail. I mean I am open minded to sequals but leave the classics ALONE thats all I am asking.
User avatar
AwallaceUNC
Signature Collection
Posts: 9439
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:00 am
Contact:

Post by AwallaceUNC »

Hey, Hey Pluto, welcome! :)

Any word on the medium of animation yet? And I'm assuming this is being done by Disney Television and not Feature Animation (or whatever is taking over that department)?

It sounds like they've taken ideas from The Lion King 1 1/2, and taken the comedy out, and applied it to this. Since Bambi and TLK are so similar anyways, it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to try and make it formulaic. Paca, I think you have some very good points about the situations not being suited for the characters, and out of place with the original story. But who knows, maybe it'll be handled tactfully.

As for it failing... well, if it's traditional animation, we need it to succeed no matter what. If it's CGI, then failure MIGHT send the signal to Disney that either 'cheapquels' aren't the way to go, or that CGI sequels to traditional movies are a horrible idea. But they don't always pick up on signals too well, so they might just blame it on something else. Still, it's bad for Disney, and we don't wanna see the company suffer anymore. But then, if the company suffers, so does Eisner. Man, so many Catch 22s here. Let's just see how the movie turns out first, if it turns out at all.

-Aaron
• Author of Hocus Pocus in Focus: The Thinking Fan's Guide to Disney's Halloween Classic
and The Thinking Fan's Guide to Walt Disney World: Magic Kingdom (Epcot coming soon)
• Host of Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Pod, the longest-running Disney podcast
• Entertainment Writer & Moderator at DVDizzy.com
• Twitter - @aaronspod
User avatar
Leonia
Special Edition
Posts: 966
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:28 pm
Location: SoCal, where it sucks
Contact:

Post by Leonia »

The idea of sequelizing another one of Walt Disney's classics (after Cinderella) sickens me.

I personally don't mind sequels to films made after Walt's death, but making sequels to the movies he was involved is really tasteless.
Image
User avatar
2099net
Signature Collection
Posts: 9421
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:00 pm
Location: UK
Contact:

Post by 2099net »

awallaceunc wrote:I think this sounds like a very weak plotline. Like I say, I'll try my best to keep an open mind.

-Aaron
It sounds a weak plotline because the reporter is letting his prejudice show through in the comment, and nothing about the plot is actually revealed.

What would a similar write up for The Lion King be? "After his father dies, young Simba runs away from all his responsibilities, and grows up enjoying a childish care free and worry free life." Sounds weak doesn't it?

Paka does raise some good points about suitability, but nobody knows how the issues are going to be handled. Disney has always made lots of films, animated and live-action, which feature "death of loved ones" and there's a reason for that - every child has, at some point in their life, a high anxiety and worry about their parents dying. It's a natural phase in the development of a child, usually initiated by the child's first encounter with death - sometimes on film, sometimes a family member or family friend. Films like this speak to children, they speak to adults. They speak to everyone. Films like this can, if done correctly, help children come to terms with their own emotions and worries. While I will admit, there does seem to be a trend for 'pop psychology' over entertainment in a lot of modern movies, Bambi 2 could still be a very good movie.

I would say it is traditional animation as one of the animators is "famed Disney animator Andreas Deja", just as I predicted before, after news of the CGI tests failing was first made known. It also signals to me that Disney are serious about improving the quality of their sequels (which I refuse to call cheapquels).

I don't really see any difference between Bambi 2 (which looks like some care and attention is going to be spent over it visually) and TV series like Chip n' Dale Rescue Rangers and Talespin, etc. These took well known Disney characters and altered them (quite dramatically - especially in the Talespin example). The same, to a lesser extent can be said about the TV Hercules, Little Mermaid and Aladdin cartoons. Yet, people here want these released on DVD. Some crave them. Why? Why is it OK to turn Chip n' Dale into 'International Rescue Troubleshooters', fighting the criminal empire of Fat Cat (or whatever) or Baloo into a plane pilot and Shere Kharn into a besuited business man, but it's so much wronger to make a mid-quel to Bambi? For all the complaints about Jungle Book 2 (and I'm no fan) is was nothing compared to how Talespin "ruined" (or to be charitable, "reimagined") the same characters.

As for sequels, remakes and "reimaginings", you know, I'm not too enthusiastic about Van Helsing. It may not, techincally be a "cheapquel" (what with being one of the most expensive movies ever made and all that) but to me, interlectually, it's cheaper than most Disney sequels (and I don't count the compilations as sequels). Money doesn't mean the film will be better. It doesn't mean the story and script will be better. It doesn't really mean the animation will be that much better - the last few DTVs have been full animation.

The odd thing is, most people on this board support Van Helsing, but it's doing more to destroy the legacy and the integrity of it's characters, and the characters of the original novels, then any Disney sequel has. I'll most likely see it even if it is only when the DVD comes out, and I'll probably change my mind (after all, it's supposed to be nothing more than a fun action-adventure movie, and it probably does that very well) - I'm willing to change my mind.

Most people here seem to have already made their mind up about the Disney sequels and aren't willing to change their minds, or worse refuse to see them. You cannot have a valid opinion on something you haven't seen.
Most of my Blu-ray collection some of my UK discs aren't on their database
User avatar
toonaspie
Anniversary Edition
Posts: 1438
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:17 am

Post by toonaspie »

and every sequel has too much focus on the parent-child relationship. Those are the ones I am sick of the most

I also dont think that an interquel is not a good idea because it throws off the story of the original no matter how you do it. I dont care what happened to Bambi between the time he lost his mother and when he grew up, the time transition in the original was done very well. I cant believe that Disney wanted us to believe that it was Christmas time when the ballroom in Beauty and the Beast took place. I obviously didnt see any Christmas decor

and for those who ask, The Lion King 1 1/2 was supposed to be a parodical type interquel and that's why it somewhat worked [although the one thing that bugged me was the timespan between how short time Timon and Pumbaa were in the jungle together (after the stampede) before they found Simba]

If a sequel doesnt work keep away. I certaintly cant stand an interquel nor can I stand a sequel about Bambi's children that pushes the original cast out of the spotlight
Last edited by toonaspie on Fri May 14, 2004 3:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
quasi72
Gold Classic Collection
Posts: 199
Joined: Sat Oct 11, 2003 11:41 am
Location: Baltimore, Maryland

Post by quasi72 »

Uncle Walt himself would be disgusted at the Company for its commercial policy. Walt was innovative, didn't rely in past successful films to make as many s--tquels as Mr. Eisner is doing.
Of course you can choose if you want to see them or not. Direct-to-Video films are of poor animation quality, with that fast-food style in the line, drawing, colors and everything. My choice is No, indeed.
I'm glad we all are free to choose.
Just my opinion.

:)
Sanctuary! Please, give me Sanctuary!
User avatar
MickeyMousePal
Signature Collection
Posts: 6629
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:40 pm
Location: The Incredibles LA!!!
Contact:

Post by MickeyMousePal »

Does anyone here Cinderella 2: Dreams Come True....

Yup, I could hear it right now!!!!

Is Disney trying to top their worst sequel or something? :twisted:
The Simpsons Season 11 Buy it Now!

Fox Sunday lineup:

8:00 The Simpsons
8:30 King of the Hill
9:00 Family Guy
9:30 American Dad

Living in the 1980's:
Image
swray1024
Gold Classic Collection
Posts: 155
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:59 pm
Location: Somewhere Out There

Post by swray1024 »

I don't know if I like how this one sounds, but hopefully will be good!
User avatar
Cressida
Gold Classic Collection
Posts: 155
Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:19 am
Location: Tampere, Finland
Contact:

Post by Cressida »

NO NO NO NO!!! :evil: Why they do this to Bambi?? :cry: It's one of my favorites and I just can't wait to get the special edition next year but I think I won't even touch the Bambi 2 DVD cover. :)
The user formerly known as HKR
My Disney DVD collection
Christian
Gold Classic Collection
Posts: 466
Joined: Wed May 12, 2004 12:07 pm
Location: Orange County
Contact:

Post by Christian »

'I support the possibility of sequels if they do them well, and I'll watch it and give it a chance, BUT...'

I echo this sentiment loudly. The mere fact of using established characters again does not in and of itself imply unoriginality. People say that a lot though and it is just stupid. By that line of thinking "Runaway Brain" is unoriginal because it uses characters from "Steamboat Willie." "Oh, I'm sure! I can't believe they're using those Mickey and Minnie and Black Pete characters again. That is sooooo unoriginal! Walt would be turning over in his grave." And now I'm going to be very <sarcasm>original</sarcasm> and say that it is really the quality that matters. If you've got a quality sequel in the works, then by all means bring it on. If not, then don't even bother.
User avatar
DisneyChris
Special Edition
Posts: 646
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:24 pm
Location: Hong Kong

Re: Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince

Post by DisneyChris »

MickeyMousePal wrote: Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince
As reported previously, famed Disney animator Andreas Deja is being confirmed as working on the company's "midquel" to the 1942 classic Bambi. The new film, currently in production under the title of Bambi And The Great Prince, is your basic teenage angst tale, dealing with Bambi coping with his Father, the Great Prince, and his finding of a new mate while an orphaned Bambi comes to terms with his Mother's death. Despite some strong (and anticipated) backtalk at Animation Nation, there could be some hope: Andreas' involvement could be great for the project, though many feel it is very sad to see an artist of his stature working on such a film. Thanks to Inkan in the AN Forum for the news and links.
So, they now start making "midquels", huh? I think they did this after seeing the success of The Lion King 1 1/2. But that film succeeded because it was a parody of the original and was a plain comedy. But by the looks of it, it looks like a pretty pathetic and boring story to me. :roll:
User avatar
toonaspie
Anniversary Edition
Posts: 1438
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:17 am

Re: Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince

Post by toonaspie »

disneychris04 wrote:
MickeyMousePal wrote: Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince
As reported previously, famed Disney animator Andreas Deja is being confirmed as working on the company's "midquel" to the 1942 classic Bambi. The new film, currently in production under the title of Bambi And The Great Prince, is your basic teenage angst tale, dealing with Bambi coping with his Father, the Great Prince, and his finding of a new mate while an orphaned Bambi comes to terms with his Mother's death. Despite some strong (and anticipated) backtalk at Animation Nation, there could be some hope: Andreas' involvement could be great for the project, though many feel it is very sad to see an artist of his stature working on such a film. Thanks to Inkan in the AN Forum for the news and links.
So, they now start making "midquels", huh? I think they did this after seeing the success of The Lion King 1 1/2. But that film succeeded because it was a parody of the original and was a plain comedy. But by the looks of it, it looks like a pretty pathetic and boring story to me. :roll:

I'm concerned that Eisner didnt see Lion King 1 1/2 as a parody but rather another juicing idea. Instead of making 1 or 2 sequels, why not make POV midquels using every Disney character in existence?

Also the angsty teenager - parent relationship has been done to many times to boredom:

Alladin 3, Lion King 2, Little Mermaid 2, Lady and the Tramp 2, Peter Pan 2, Jungle Book 2, both Goofy Movies, 101 Dalmations 2, and bits in other sequels if you think about it
User avatar
AwallaceUNC
Signature Collection
Posts: 9439
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:00 am
Contact:

Re: Plot and thoughts on Bambi And The Great Prince

Post by AwallaceUNC »

disneychris04 wrote:

So, they now start making "midquels", huh? I think they did this after seeing the success of The Lion King 1 1/2. But that film succeeded because it was a parody of the original and was a plain comedy. But by the looks of it, it looks like a pretty pathetic and boring story to me. :roll:
That's the problem, isn't it? Disney is good at deciphering what is and isn't a hit... but understanding why is an art they lost touch with long ago.

-Aaron
• Author of Hocus Pocus in Focus: The Thinking Fan's Guide to Disney's Halloween Classic
and The Thinking Fan's Guide to Walt Disney World: Magic Kingdom (Epcot coming soon)
• Host of Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Pod, the longest-running Disney podcast
• Entertainment Writer & Moderator at DVDizzy.com
• Twitter - @aaronspod
Post Reply