On the contrary...Black pearl wrote:
The people, rulers & the soldiers mocked him too.
Luke chapter 23 v 34 then said Jesus, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do”. Wow, despite not asking for or wanting it!
I dunno if I should take that as a compliment or not....Lazario wrote: Super A, that's the coolest thing you've posted in - probably - months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEU5vXmE5mUSuper Aurora wrote:I dunno if I should take that as a compliment or not....Lazario wrote: Super A, that's the coolest thing you've posted in - probably - months.
I think it's one of those - as long as its' happening to someone else, not me - kinda things. Yay! He was mutilated by a mob of psychos so we don't have to be.Goliath wrote:Does it not bother Cristians that they celebrate the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man as a good thing?carolinakid wrote:I find The Passion Of The Christ very moving to me as a Christian. I watch it every Good Friday.
Well, in the end of course, he does sacrifice himself for the greater good, in Christians' eyes. So I mean it's not like watching some torture horror movie...Lazario wrote:I think it's one of those - as long as its' happening to someone else, not me - kinda things. Yay! He was mutilated by a mob of psychos so we don't have to be.Goliath wrote: Does it not bother Cristians that they celebrate the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man as a good thing?
It bothers me that Jesus needed to die for my sake because I am a sinner (repentance), but I find the fact that he chose to die for me indescribably wonderful.Goliath wrote:Does it not bother Cristians that they celebrate the brutal torture and murder of an innocent man as a good thing?carolinakid wrote:I find The Passion Of The Christ very moving to me as a Christian. I watch it every Good Friday.
Duckburger wrote:Ugh, this discussion really makes me glad that I only follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and his holy book "One hundred and one ways to prepare pasta!". Organized religions are way overrated (and corrupted) anyway, that's why I chose Spaghettiism as my religion.
Spaghettiism sounds great, does its church feature a massive cathedral with gold leaf and stain glass depicting pasta utensils and pots?Duckburger wrote:P.S. Where's Scientology in the poll? Xenu will not be happy!
This is something that confuses me. Did Jesus chose to die for mankind? I thought God and Jesus (and the Holy Spirit) were one? And I thought God already has a masterplan for everything, so that negates free will? So is it not true that God send himself to earth in the guise of his son to be tortured and murdered in order for his people to be redeemed?Black pearl wrote:It bothers me that Jesus needed to die for my sake because I am a sinner (repentance), but I find the fact that he chose to die for me indescribably wonderful.
I'll be awaiting his call. I think he has my number.Black pearl wrote:Now the worrying part, you sound like a prime candidate for God to choose, to me.
Of course, in my eyes that’s a good thing.
Why?Lazario wrote: Name one thing you've done that is wrong.
Do not steal: it doesn’t matter if you steal something little or something big, stealing is stealing, and it doesn’t matter if you say “well that was a long time ago, I don’t do that now”, think of it like this, some one committed a really bad crime such as murder a long time ago & his crime has caught up with him, he is now standing in front of the judge in a court room years later and he says “well that was a really long time ago, I don’t do that anymore” would the judge be just to let him go? No! Then would a holy and righteous God be just to not pass sentence for breaking any laws? No!Super Aurora wrote:What about Cthulhu? He's an awesome god:
Yes read my previous post again about no one takes his life from him but he gives it freely.Goliath wrote:Did Jesus chose to die for mankind?
He knows the beginning and the end of every thing. Therefore he knows what your choices will be before you exist Jeremiah ch 1 v 5 Before I formed you in the belly I knew you….so your free will is only what you will decide whatever his plan.Goliath wrote: I thought God already has a masterplan for everything, so that negates free will?
Correct. This is very hard to grasp even for some Christians. Perhaps this will help for an example, take a cup of boiling water and drop some DRY ice into it and what do you get in the cup? Answer, water, ice and steam. Three different substances normally with three different purposes but they are all one chemical, h20. God is one with three purposes.Goliath wrote:I thought God and Jesus (and the Holy Spirit) were one?
Matthew ch7 7-8 Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened up to you: For everyone that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened. This is where the Holy spirit comes in, at this time he is here on earth & is the one who reveals himself to you, when that happens, who needs answers, when you can experience him. If you then accept Jesus as Lord, he is the one who gives you a personal relationship with the Father & Son.Goliath wrote:It's all very confusing.
He has every ones number, you just have to answer the call. Read my previous post, John ch3 v16. He loves YOU! He loves me, & all we need do is accept his love freely. What a deal! Is there any thing confusing about that? But it comes at the price of the world hating you, again in previous post. Well worth it for eternity with him in his kingdom(heaven)Goliath wrote:I'll be awaiting his call. I think he has my number.
. You do realize I brought that god up as a joke? Even if I wasn't, what you just said in the quote make it that :Black pearl wrote: You shall have no other God but me: That means he is your only God & 1st love. If you idolise, worship or adore something more than him, you are putting something before him. For instanceSuper Aurora wrote:What about Cthulhu? He's an awesome god:
ORLY? Too bad Christianity and even Judaism fall under that category too. All religion do. Again this goes back to what I said before.Black pearl wrote:You shall not make for yourself an idol.
That also means don’t make a God to suit yourself, such as saying “God would not send people to hell” etc.
Having God being omniscience, and giving free will doesn't contradict each other when you really think about it. But what does make the contradiction in this claim for Christians is that they claim God is all loving and good that and that he set rules for us to abide and follow. Why would god go through all that pointless shit if he already knows that in next five min I'm going to eat a chalupa from taco bell?Black pearl wrote:He knows the beginning and the end of every thing. Therefore he knows what your choices will be before you exist Jeremiah ch 1 v 5 Before I formed you in the belly I knew you….so your free will is only what you will decide whatever his plan.Goliath wrote: I thought God already has a masterplan for everything, so that negates free will?
Mind blowing isn’t it?
You are aware he was being sarcastic, don't you?Black pearl wrote:He has every ones number, you just have to answer the call. Read my previous post, John ch3 v16. He loves YOU! He loves me, & all we need do is accept his love freely. What a deal! Is there any thing confusing about that? But it comes at the price of the world hating you, again in previous post. Well worth it for eternity with him in his kingdom(heaven)Goliath wrote:I'll be awaiting his call. I think he has my number.
