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If you could play another character from any Disney film, who would it be?
JB: I would love to be in a remake of The Black Hole. The mad scientist character would be pretty special to play.
Wasn't there talk of making a remake a short while ago...?
There was/still is. It's being developed by the same people who did TRON: Legacy.

I can't see Jay Baruchel as Dr. Reinhardt, though. Given his age, he's more suited for Charlie Pizer.

They should let Max von Sydow play Dr. Reinhardt again. :P

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Escapay wrote:They should let Max von Sydow play Dr. Reinhardt again. :P
That's Maximilian Schell.

Following the underwhelming performance of <i>The Sorcerer's Apprentice</i>, I don't think they're going to want Jay Baruchel near any other remake anytime soon. Of course, it's not really his fault this is bombing. I hope that this floppage doesn't prevent him from getting more big parts because I like the guy.

Anyway, if there's someone to take the blame besides Bruckheimer, it's got to be Alfred Molina. What box office poison. Look at the lowest-grossing Spider-Man film... that's all his doing.
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Luke wrote:
Escapay wrote:They should let Max von Sydow play Dr. Reinhardt again. :P
That's Maximilian Schell.
D'oh! I'm confusing my Maxes.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing Max von Sydow as a Dr. Reinhardt. He could be Hans' twin Franz. :P
Luke wrote:Following the underwhelming performance of <i>The Sorcerer's Apprentice</i>, I don't think they're going to want Jay Baruchel near any other remake anytime soon. Of course, it's not really his fault this is bombing. I hope that this floppage doesn't prevent him from getting more big parts because I like the guy.
Ditto.
Luke wrote:Anyway, if there's someone to take the blame besides Bruckheimer, it's got to be Alfred Molina. What box office poison. Look at the lowest-grossing Spider-Man film... that's all his doing.
:lol:

Such is the curse of talented actors. Give them an arthouse flick or some high-end drama and they rake it in. But a Bruckheimer film and they just go to pieces. :P

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Escapay wrote:Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing Max von Sydow as a Dr. Reinhardt. He could be Hans' twin Franz. :P
Seems like that'd be more likely seeing as how we've seen more von Sydow than Schell in recent years.

Anyway, I misspoke regarding Spider-Man 2, which actually made more than 3. But Molina also killed the White Fang franchise, I must say. Stay away from existing and potential franchises, Al! You're BO poison!

What do people expect for a Sorcerer's Apprentice final gross? I'm thinking it will be fortunate to pass $50 M. This flopping has the potential to be as bad as or worse than Speed Racer and Land of the Lost.
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Well, these reviews and box office floppage (also, I really don't like Nicolas Cage, either) made me decide that I'll just wait to watch the movie on TV. Not that I was really planning on checking it out in theatres, but had word-of-mouth been better I think I would have.

But I, too, am getting really sick of Bruckheimer. Although Prince of Persia interested me, and I hope POTC4 isn't awful.
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Not that I'm helping the box office numbers- I'm interested in seeing it but just haven't set aside $10 to see it- but this confuses me:

http://animatedviews.com/2010/sorcerers ... audiences/
Despite being marketed by the studio since last December, Disney’s special effects film The Sorcerer’s Apprentice has been pulling in ultimately underwhelming numbers since coming out on Wednesday. The expensive Nicolas Cage fantasy movie–budgeted at a reported $150 million–made only a modest $17 million during its opening weekend, giving it a five day total of $24 million. Meanwhile, Universal’s Despicable Me saw a solid second weekend, and has made more than $118 million in its first ten days of release.
I mean, sure, maybe DM is marketed more towards kids, and maybe some parents don't want to take their kids to TSA since it's aimed at a slightly older audience (??? I'm stretching here)...

Why aren't people interested in seeing this? I almost feel guilty for not going yet. It'll definitely be a rental if I don't see it in the theater...but I could always go to the 2nd run theater if need be...
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Hey I thought it was pretty decent for what it was, and yes Amy def go and see it.
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I think the blame could partly go to 'Inception'. The new Christopher Nolan film from Warner Bros. That film got 60 million from this weekend alone. Though, 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' did awful on Wednesday and Thursday too. So bad even, that they had to pull a 'buy 1- get 1 ticket for free', which is a clear sign of desperation. Didn't really help, looking at these numbers.

Maybe people are actually tired of Jerry Bruckheimer's special effect overdoses. It does seem that way.
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blackcauldron85 wrote: Why aren't people interested in seeing this? I almost feel guilty for not going yet. It'll definitely be a rental if I don't see it in the theater...but I could always go to the 2nd run theater if need be...
The trailers have been underwhelming. There isn't anything new to sieze the imagination. It looks like same ol', same ol' stuff one can find on cable every week. That's why no one is interested. I hate to say it, but I think if they gad stayed closer to the medieval roots of the poem, they might have pulled off something...but transplanting it to modern times, it just becomes yet another Teen Nerd Male Gains Fantasy Abilities, Taught By Mentor, Must Defeat Evil After Screwing Up blah blah blah thing we've seen a million times before.

To think Fantasia - on Blu-Ray - was delayed to help cross-promote this stinker on home video in December.
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I thought it was pretty good. Really enjoyed it. But TRON Legacy will blow both Sorcerer and Persia out of the water.
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blackcauldron85, on 2/10/07 wrote:Just like what I wrote in the "Aladdin" thread, I don't feel a need to make live-action versions of Disney animated films. The Mickey Mouse version is so beloved, I can't see this being anywhere near as good as the segment from "Fantasia". They should use their money on brand-new projects.
I went to Page 1 of this thread, and Bobby was right here, and he read my post, and he asked if I still feel this way after having seen the film (I just came back from seeing it), and so I figured I'd quote myself. It was very different from Mickey's version...it was really, really well done- it was a lot better than I thought it would be- so, while yes, I would like Disney to get more original ideas, this was a good idea. Maybe reimagining shorts isn't nearly as bad as remaking full-length films.
blackcauldron85, on 2/12/07 wrote:They've already told this story- come and tell us a story you haven't told us yet.
Oh The Sorcerer's Apprentice...you're changing my world upside down. Okay, okay, Disney hadn't told us quite this story in quite this way before. I still want Disney to be more creative in its future choices of stories to tell, though. :p
Siren wrote:No offense, but people, media, critics, etc need to get their heads our of their arses and realize its okay to adapt an existing story WITHOUT it being an official remake of another movie.
Maybe someday I'll heed this advice... :p
dvdjunkie wrote:but there is truly a great moment in the film when they give us a 'live-action' sequence of the animated brooms and buckets of water' that we all know from "Fantasia"
That scene was done really, really well. It was exciting and funny...good job, Disney!
disneyboy20022 wrote:Spoiler about the ending and the Scene after the credits
I wasn't sure who it was, but my friend told me...I mean, it was short, so it didn't give much away...

Oh, and the theater was almost packed...I was pretty high up, and the theater was situated weirdly, so I couldn't see many lower rows, but it was definitely pretty packed, which was great.
Escapay wrote:The narrated prologue in the beginning felt like an epic movie that should've been made. Seriously, I think I would've been more interested in a period fantasy film than in a modern-day one.
While I didn't dislike that part, it was actually my least favorite part of the film.
Escapay wrote:The scenes with Young Dave and the antique store also felt like another movie entirely. And that becomes a recurring problem throughout the entire thing. There are pieces of scenes that feel out of place because it feels like another movie. I wasn't sure if this was an action-comedy or a fantasy-action or a fantasy-comedy or whatever. There was no common ground that the movie focused on, it kept shifting.
I don't agree. I didn't feel like anything seemed out of place...
Escapay wrote:It's a lot of flash-in-the-pan effects, some longer than they needed to be (though

admittedly, the dragon was quite good). The broomsticks scene that was supposed to be reminiscent of the original "Sorcerer's Apprentice" tale was comedic, but also a nice convenient way of saying "This is serious. Magic is not for games." It's a fitting homage to the Fantasia version, but doesn't do much else. The car chase scene was overtly long, ultimately served no purpose, and could have been cut out
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Again, I disagree. I thought that the effects were really great and they definitely kept me entertained. I liked the broom scene- it was fun and, as you said, it served a purpose for Dave. And I liked the car chase scene- it was really exciting to me.
Escapay wrote:The passage of time in the film is confusing. How many days does Dave spend being trained? He went from "OMG, my hallucinations were real!" to "OMG, I'm doing magic without the ring" far too quickly. But I guess that's the price you pay in storytelling when the bad guys are so quick to act, and so the good guys must be quicker.
I didn't think about this once- well, I think one time I thought, "Hey, he's wearing the same clothes..." but besides that, the time thing wasn't an issue at all to me. I just enjoyed the movie.
Escapay wrote:One thing I did like was the bumbling nature of Dave. Awkward, reluctant, clumsy. He's the likable nerd that you know is going to get the girl at the end. Of course, it's not much of a stretch for Jay Baruchel, who's more or less played the same type of character in "Undeclared", Tropic Thunder, Fanboys, and She's Out Of My League. But it works for him, and he makes the audience root for him.
Yes, he was great. But Jay always is. <3
Escapay wrote:Becky... more or less was useless, just there to be the girl that Dave is distracted by and falls in love with. Then again, so was Veronica (a role Monica Belluci is gorgeous in, but ultimately a waste to add to her resume). The women in this movie really are poorly-realized. Even Morgana had no purpose other than to be the root of all evil in the film, without ever explaining why.
I agree, but Becky did help out in the end. :) And how Dave felt about Becky helped him realize how Balthazaar felt about Veronica, and vice versa; they could relate to each other in that way. And love stories are always nice. :p

When the film first started, I was skeptical, but it got better. I really was into the film- I really, really, really liked it. I liked the 2 main characters. The villain was pretty good. I'm not familiar with Alfred Molina, so I comment on his past work, but I thought that he was pretty good. The special effects were awesome. I loved Dave most of the time. And I had no problem with Nic Cage at all. I'd recommend seeing this- it's better than it seems!!!
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Ames wrote:
Escapay wrote:The narrated prologue in the beginning felt like an epic movie that should've been made. Seriously, I think I would've been more interested in a period fantasy film than in a modern-day one.
While I didn't dislike that part, it was actually my least favorite part of the film.
Oddly, it was my favorite part, simply because it had the potential to be a great film of its own rather than a prologue (if they had chosen to go in that direction and recast Nic Cage).
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Escapay wrote:The scenes with Young Dave and the antique store also felt like another movie entirely. And that becomes a recurring problem throughout the entire thing. There are pieces of scenes that feel out of place because it feels like another movie. I wasn't sure if this was an action-comedy or a fantasy-action or a fantasy-comedy or whatever. There was no common ground that the movie focused on, it kept shifting.
I don't agree. I didn't feel like anything seemed out of place...
For me, that scene felt out of place because that's all it was: a scene. It did its part to lay the roots for the main story (as the prologue did), but like the prologue, just felt like it was the beginning of a movie we have yet to see. Still, the ten years trapped in the urn or whatever more or less negated the chance of a Young Dave movie with him as the apprentice, but it simply didn't feel like it was the same movie for me.
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Escapay wrote:It's a lot of flash-in-the-pan effects, some longer than they needed to be (though admittedly, the dragon was quite good). The broomsticks scene that was supposed to be reminiscent of the original "Sorcerer's Apprentice" tale was comedic, but also a nice convenient way of saying "This is serious. Magic is not for games." It's a fitting homage to the Fantasia version, but doesn't do much else. The car chase scene was overtly long, ultimately served no purpose, and could have been cut out.
Again, I disagree. I thought that the effects were really great and they definitely kept me entertained. I liked the broom scene- it was fun and, as you said, it served a purpose for Dave. And I liked the car chase scene- it was really exciting to me.
I didn't mean that the effects aren't great, they're quite stunning. It's just that you get this big bang and you think you're gonna see a whole new world, but in the end, it feels too same-old same-old (e.g. a ball of energy is a ball of energy no matter what you do to it). I think it's simply because the past 20 years has seen effects after effects that over time they all look the same to me, even if they are in fact amazing.
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Escapay wrote:The passage of time in the film is confusing. How many days does Dave spend being trained? He went from "OMG, my hallucinations were real!" to "OMG, I'm doing magic without the ring" far too quickly. But I guess that's the price you pay in storytelling when the bad guys are so quick to act, and so the good guys must be quicker.
I didn't think about this once- well, I think one time I thought, "Hey, he's wearing the same clothes..." but besides that, the time thing wasn't an issue at all to me. I just enjoyed the movie.
I know, I kept trying to not think about it, but time, and how the story utilizes it is one of my pet peeves at the movies. If they do it right and I can watch a movie without thinking about it, then they succeeded. But because this was just a fast-paced scene-after-scene thing, I couldn't help but wonder how many days/hours really pass by in that world.
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Escapay wrote:Becky... more or less was useless, just there to be the girl that Dave is distracted by and falls in love with. Then again, so was Veronica (a role Monica Belluci is gorgeous in, but ultimately a waste to add to her resume). The women in this movie really are poorly-realized. Even Morgana had no purpose other than to be the root of all evil in the film, without ever explaining why.
I agree, but Becky did help out in the end. :) And how Dave felt about Becky helped him realize how Balthazaar felt about Veronica, and vice versa; they could relate to each other in that way. And love stories are always nice. :p
True, you got me on that one. I just wish Becky had more to do beyond being Dave's eye candy and the satellite girl. I know it's a supporting role, but it barely even was a role.

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Touching story, but one Nic Cage has been using several times in promoting the movie, Ames. :P

Just watch the video Luke posted earlier. ;)
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Duckburger wrote:I think the blame could partly go to 'Inception'. The new Christopher Nolan film from Warner Bros. That film got 60 million from this weekend alone. Though, 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' did awful on Wednesday and Thursday too. So bad even, that they had to pull a 'buy 1- get 1 ticket for free', which is a clear sign of desperation. Didn't really help, looking at these numbers.

Maybe people are actually tired of Jerry Bruckheimer's special effect overdoses. It does seem that way.
I thought Disney would have learned their mistake after pitting Bolt against Twilight or The Princess and the Frog against Avatar and the Squeakquel.
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I found the movie very enjoyable, funny and charming. I am considering to see in in cinema a second time. Will buy it on Blu-ray.
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