I think we may need to save the Treasures series

[slave2moonlight]

If this makes any of you feel better, I consider The Boys, Walt and El Grupo w/ uncut Saludos Amigos, Waking Sleeping Beauty and the Laugh-O-Gram shorts and Purdum reel on Beauty and the Beast to be de facto Disney Treasure sets.

I have to agree with this for the most part. Seems like they are trying to appeal to the hardcore Disney fans without being tied to a line (or Leonard Maltin). At the very least, Walt and El Grupo sounds a lot like a Treasures set many of us wanted. I just hope the Saludos Amigos theatrical version is not some really poor quality print. I hope everyone who wants an uncut Saludos Amigos goes out and buys it, because I suspect they will decide whether or not to do a set of uncut Melody Time and Make Mine Music based on the sales.

Of course, it would be more comforting if they were also releasing a non-Treasures DVD set this year with the rest of the theatrical shorts or a focus on anthology episodes. Anyway, as long as we are getting some releases like this, I am only under the impression they are tired of the line itself, for whatever reason. Sucks, because I love the line and never missed a single set. I guess not releasing them in fancy tins and all will make them less intimidating for the casual buyers, but stuff like this is still going to appeal primarily to the same people who bought the Treasures, so it's kind of pointless to abandon the line and anger the fans. But I guess they just don't want to be expected to stick to the "rules" of the Disney Treasures line. I just hope we see more than just documentaries in the future. I like them okay, but they tend to be low on my purchasing list when they're not about the parks. I still need to get the Walt documentary, the Frank and Ollie one, and, well, even a couple on the parks (though I did get that 6 disc set recently released).

[Escapay]

This is sure to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm kind of glad the Treasures are dead. Not because of the content released (far from it). Mainly because of how they were released.

I know that Leonard Maltin was in charge of the line, and I applaud him for what he's done with it for the past 9 years. I don't want to make it seem like he did a bad job or that someone else could have done it better. Mainly, most of the problems stemmed from the corporate side (IIRC, Maltin wanted separate "Swamp Fox" and/or "Elfego Baca" releases, but had to compromise with the 3-episode compilations), as well as the company image (their continued persistance at keeping Song of the South in the vault even though the Treasures line is the perfect vehicle for it, as it's geared to the adult collector who knows what he/she is getting).

1. Limited Amount of Sets - advertising that each wave has only a certain number of sets out automatically creates an artificial scarcity and a quick run in stores before scalpers jack up the price online, especially with the last few waves. In addition, it made several Disney fans (I've noticed this especially in some posters here) feel the need to brag about the fact that they had something that someone else didn't. "Haha, I have this, I bought it first week, you didn't, you're a loser for not getting into the treasures until two years later!" Honestly, the content is important, not the ability to say that you have it. And subsequently lowering the print run year by year made it harder to acquire, thus driving up prices and driving up egos of those that did acquire them. This is why I liked the Walt Disney Legacy Collection from 2006 (which would've replaced Walt Disney Treasures had there not been such an uproar). They had no limited print run (though sadly, it seems they're just selling out whatever's left with no intent on authoring more discs), thus keeping them available for people who don't have the ability to buy first week, or for people who discover they exist years later. It's no fun keeping the Treasures a secret simply to ensure you get a copy of something while someone else genuinely interested in the material doesn't.

2. Quality Control - yes, the Treasures have amazing quality compared to the cheap hourlong cartoon compilation DVDs and the complete absence of live-action catalogue TV releases. But QC problems have plagued the Treasures from the get-go. Shorts were unintentionally presented in their edited form or had the wrong title cards. Shorts were left off entirely as an oversight. A couple "Disneyland" episodes were edited due to music issues. Chronological Donald Volume 2 had less-than-stellar transfers (aside from the WWII ones). The list could go on and on. Fortunately, there were steps taken to remedy these, but given the nature of the release (limited edition sets that represent the works of Walt Disney), most of these mistakes should not have happened in the first place.

3. The Tins - some people would buy a set, then return it and get another simply because the tin had a dent in it. Seriously. Never mind what's on the disc, safely tucked away in the double-alpha keepcase. The tin had a dent.

4. Some Strange Decisions - the first "Silly Symphonies" set and "Mickey Mouse in Black and White" set were not chronological, and honestly, I hate that. In addition, while I'm sure there are fans of "Swamp Fox" and "Elfego Baca", giving only a few episodes of each rather than their own individual releases was also a puzzling decision.

I could go on and on, but I'd be lynch-mobbed by the likes of merlinjones, Heil Donald Duck, a-net-fan, etc.

If anything, I hope the blunders that went about during the 9 years of Walt Disney Treasures get remedied in whatever home video line comes next, if there is to be one (which I'm sure there will be, Blu-Ray is only 4 years old after all). Mainly, offer unedited cartoons (e.g. "Clock Cleaners" or "Three Little Pigs"), don't forget cartoons ("Casey Bats Again", "Susie the Little Blue Coupe", the Chip 'n Dale shorts, Laugh-O-Grams, etc.), do whatever is necessary to include deleted musical segments from "Disneyland", and if you're gonna release a television serial, offer the full run (like "Davy Crockett" or "Dr. Syn") rather than a sampling of episodes ("Swamp Fox", "Elfego Baca"). Hopefully we'll also get "People & Places", educational films that are well-known ("The Story of Menstruation" anyone/), and post-Walt material that are classics in their own right ("Disneyland Showtime", WDW footage, "Disney Family Album", etc.)

In the meantime, I'll enjoy the sets I do have, while still trying to acquire the ones I don't.

albert

[merlinjones]

>>If this makes any of you feel better, I consider The Boys, Walt and El Grupo w/ uncut Saludos Amigos, Waking Sleeping Beauty and the Laugh-O-Gram shorts and Purdum reel on Beauty and the Beast to be de facto Disney Treasure sets.<<

It doesn't make me feel any better at all -- since getting more of Walt Disney's actual films in circulation to view as entertainment was the goal of the Walt Disney Treasures line, not just watching documentaries and analysis on those subjects (and in the case of Waking Sleeping Beauty and Beauty and the Beast - - the material isn't even from the Walt era library) -- and all of these docs would have been released on DVD anyway.

Walt's films need to be seen and perpetuated not just discussed as historical artifacts.

I want the rest of Walt's movies, shorts and TV shows that have been unavailable for far too long - - especially Ludwig, Jiminy, Ranger Woodlore et al. Though I am happy that they have promised an uncut Saludos Amigos (if that really happens) on the El Grupo disc.

[Prince Charming 12]

Was there an official announcement posted by Dinsey on discontinuing the Line? The only reference to this notice, that I read so far, was an e-mail statement from Maltin to another member.

Sorry, but I am skeptical.

[WilbyDaniels]

I agree with Escapay 100%

[The_Iceflash]

I think it's time for a re-launch on both BD and DVD and with the following differences:

1. NOT Limited/NOT as Limited: One of the problems I had with the Treasures line was how limited it was. It was unfortunately they were perfect in allowing people make a lot of money with them in the second-hand market. I've read on other forums how people actually bought multiple copies of first wave sets when they first came out just to re-sell them. I think it's great that Disney wanted to gear the Treasures toward collectors but I think that material should me more readily available. Why should it be hard to one to watch/own the majority of the Mickey Mouse shorts or Silly Symphonies, Goofy, or Donald Duck shorts? Remember too when the first waves came out that most people hadn't switched to DVD yet. Sure some may say it's their loss for not switching early but is that really fair to say? I think a new line with the sets being more readily assessable would be a better bet for everyone.

2. More affordable price: The Treasures's $32+ for 2-DVD sets was kinda steep to me. Since they were geared toward collectors the price was a bit more understandable but for a new set I would like them to be more affordable.

3. No tins: I want this new line to not to be contained in tins. I have a feeling that them being in a tin helped make the price higher.

[kbehm29]

I think it's time for a re-launch on both BD and DVD and with the following differences:

1. NOT Limited/NOT as Limited: One of the problems I had with the Treasures line was how limited it was. It was unfortunately they were perfect in allowing people make a lot of money with them in the second-hand market. I've read on other forums how people actually bought multiple copies of first wave sets when they first came out just to re-sell them. I think it's great that Disney wanted to gear the Treasures toward collectors but I think that material should me more readily available. Why should it be hard to one to watch/own the majority of the Mickey Mouse shorts or Silly Symphonies, Goofy, or Donald Duck shorts? Remember too when the first waves came out that most people hadn't switched to DVD yet. Sure some may say it's their loss for not switching early but is that really fair to say? I think a new line with the sets being more readily assessable would be a better bet for everyone.

2. More affordable price: The Treasures's $32+ for 2-DVD sets was kinda steep to me. Since they were geared toward collectors the price was a bit more understandable but for a new set I would like them to be more affordable.

3. No tins: I want this new line to not to be contained in tins. I have a feeling that them being in a tin helped make the price higher.

I agree with all of the above. I missed out on collecting the treasures because: when they first started being released, I was a lot younger and had much less disposable income. I am a completist, and felt that jumping into the collection mid-stream would drive me insane, and I am much too cheap to search for previously released ones online at a higher cost. To date, I have only one because I REALLY wanted it: Disneyland - Secrets, Stories, & Magic.

If they started re-releasing these, either in DVD or BD format, I would definitely begin my collection. I don't care for the tins, they take up too much space.

[Mickeyfan1990]

I agree too. Disney should also follow the line of WB with their line of Looney Tunes Golden Collections. Meaning, 4-Discs Sets, with over or under 60 shorts, number of extras (including the Treasures extras), commentaries, and price range between 30-50 dollars. Disney could do it in 2-ways; a compilation (much like the LT Golden Collections) or sets dedicated to one character (Ex: A 4-Disc set of all Donald Duck shorts from the first 2 Chronological Donald sets).

[Calamity 23]

The only reason I'd heard of the WDT line was because something out-of-the-blue reminded me of "The Ugly Duckling" (the 1939 version) which prompted me to check if it was on home video. This happened to be only months before the first wave of Treasures was to be released. If I hadn't thought of that cartoon at that moment - it had been years since I'd seen it, I'd probably have missed out on the series or at least much of it.

I never even saw a Treasures set in a brick-and-mortar store 'til I came across two Chronological Donald Vol. 4s and one Annette in an FYE store, spring of 2009. I don't go to the mall that often but when I stopped in again later all three sets were still there on the shelf which surprised me because I thought Amazon had quickly sold out of CDV4. Picked up the two extra Donalds - one for my nephew when he's a little older (shh, don't tell him - he was just talking to me about Donald on the Fourth) and the other I got because no one else seemed to want it and I felt bad about that, lol. I worried Disney would think that if the sets stayed on shelves that long, people weren't interested in the Treasures series. Well, that didn't seem to work, did it?

It'd be wonderful if they came up a new Treasures/Legacy line with the improvements & additions mentioned here. And one subtraction - ditch the tins. They're unneccessary.

[Heil Donald Duck]

I agree too. Disney should also follow the line
of WB with their line of Looney Tunes Golden Collections. Meaning, 4-Discs Sets, with over or under 60 shorts, number of extras (including the Treasures extras), commentaries, and price range between 30-50 dollars. Disney could do it in 2-ways; a compilation (much like the LT Golden Collections) or sets dedicated to one character (Ex: A 4-Disc set of all Donald Duck shorts from the first 2 Chronological Donald sets).

News flash: Looney Tunes Golden Collection is no more it has been relauched as Looney Tune Super Star single dvd SERIES

[Mickeyfan1990]

News flash: Looney Tunes Golden Collection is no more it has been relauched as Looney Tune Super Star single dvd SERIES

I know. I'm just saying that let Disney do what WB did.

[Rudy Matt]

News flash: Looney Tunes Golden Collection is no more it has been relauched as Looney Tune Super Star single dvd SERIES

I know. I'm just saying that let Disney do what WB did.

Well, it would take about sixteen 4-disc DVD sets to encompass all of the MM/LT shorts...by stopping where they did, I think I'm happy with what the Treasures line was able to produce. I'd hate to be a Warner's fan and still be pining away for another missing 36-40 dvds of content.

[Heil Donald Duck]

This is sure to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm kind of glad the Treasures are dead. Not because of the content released (far from it). Mainly because of how they were released.

I know that Leonard Maltin was in charge of the line, and I applaud him for what he's done with it for the past 9 years. I don't want to make it seem like he did a bad job or that someone else could have done it better. Mainly, most of the problems stemmed from the corporate side (IIRC, Maltin wanted separate "Swamp Fox" and/or "Elfego Baca" releases, but had to compromise with the 3-episode compilations), as well as the company image (their continued persistance at keeping Song of the South in the vault even though the Treasures line is the perfect vehicle for it, as it's geared to the adult collector who knows what he/she is getting).

1. Limited Amount of Sets - advertising that each wave has only a certain number of sets out automatically creates an artificial scarcity and a quick run in stores before scalpers jack up the price online, especially with the last few waves. In addition, it made several Disney fans (I've noticed this especially in some posters here) feel the need to brag about the fact that they had something that someone else didn't. "Haha, I have this, I bought it first week, you didn't, you're a loser for not getting into the treasures until two years later!" Honestly, the content is important, not the ability to say that you have it. And subsequently lowering the print run year by year made it harder to acquire, thus driving up prices and driving up egos of those that did acquire them. This is why I liked the Walt Disney Legacy Collection from 2006 (which would've replaced Walt Disney Treasures had there not been such an uproar). They had no limited print run (though sadly, it seems they're just selling out whatever's left with no intent on authoring more discs), thus keeping them available for people who don't have the ability to buy first week, or for people who discover they exist years later. It's no fun keeping the Treasures a secret simply to ensure you get a copy of something while someone else genuinely interested in the material doesn't.

I think that the 2006 letter campingan was becouse animation collector feared that the Legacy Collection would move a way from the Animated stuff. But pepole that buy the WDT set just to make few quick bucks or too piss of collectors that are actaully intrested in the content piss piss me off or . or returned WDT set because of dent of the tin when it isnt the tin that matter, but the content

2. Quality Control - yes, the Treasures have amazing quality compared to the cheap hourlong cartoon compilation DVDs and the complete absence of live-action catalogue TV releases. But QC problems have plagued the Treasures from the get-go. Shorts were unintentionally presented in their edited form or had the wrong title cards. Shorts were left off entirely as an oversight. A couple "Disneyland" episodes were edited due to music issues. Chronological Donald Volume 2 had less-than-stellar transfers (aside from the WWII ones). The list could go on and on. Fortunately, there were steps taken to remedy these, but given the nature of the release (limited edition sets that represent the works of Walt Disney), most of these mistakes should not have happened in the first place.


The edited cartoons:
The Castaway (similar of to Bee on Guard error but none seems to have complained to Disney about this since there haven't been any replacement program)
Three Little Pigs (unedited in R2 verison)
Clock Cleaners (Im not sure but this cartoon might be unedited in R2 but at lest i can be found unedited on other Disney DVD)
Bee on Guard (replacement program issued too fix this problem)

The Donald vol 2 unrestored cartoons?
Donald Duck and the Gorilla (I have seen brighter verison on the House of Villan DVD but Im not sure if the cartoon was originally so bright and I think it ruins the dark feeling too the cartoon for me)
NO Sail (is just horrable looking on the WDT wile much better looking print can be found on Extrime Adventure Fun DVD).

On the other shorts I think they all faired better than No Sail but I could be mistaken since Im watching the set on Pal TV. But I havent picked up the European DVD of the set so restoration there might be better than on American DVD. but it is unlikly since there is for the record still no play all feature on Complete Goofy Eurpean DVD for the comparison.

I also herd that were also restoration problem on the Rarites set but I dont have other verison of shorts on there for comparison so I cant tell if that rumor is truth or not.

With shorts left of the set I think it is understandable that they haven'T touched the TV animation yet, as it mostly repeats older theaterical matteral.

But I'm like you are scratching my head over some ominison of Theaterical shorts short from the line

I think it is quite a undirstandble that we haven't seen everything of
Laugh-O-Gram
Alice Comedies
Oswald
Since many of those shorts are lost to history.


I think we can Scratch our heads over the omissions of the
Susie Little Blue Cop (Similar too Little House so the omission is unforgivable although it can be founds on other Disney DVDs )
Casy Bats again (could argue that this short should release instead as bonus with Original package film its follow but the funny/sad thing is that is inlcude as bonus short on the Melody Time DVD instead om Make Mine Music.)
Donald shorts of the 1965x2 and 1968 (It's bit a strange that
Goofy Shorts of the 1965x2 and 1987, 2007 (It is fustrating to know that the 1965 shorts were refered to in the Maltin is intro but not found anywere on the set and 1987 short should have been included since they included the Mickey shorts of the 1980's and 1990's. But it is understandable that 2007 short is not included since it was produced after the set came out.
Chip'n Dalex3 (frustrating considered how the Figaro shorts were included on the Pluto set)
One-shots from 1967-present (you might want argue against inclusion of some of those but

Thats pretty much leaves out Wartime training shorts, and commerical products of the 1940's and 1950s
I personaly would say that they could have made 2-3 follow ups to the front line set.

Then it is the aspect Ratio
We can wonder if the scope cartoons are correctly framed and as all well all no window boxed shorts made pre-1932

Titles
If origina titles exist then it is rather sad and no excuee that they aren'T included.





3. The Tins - some p
eople would buy a set, then return it and get another simply because the tin had a dent in it. Seriously. Never mind what's on the disc, safely tucked away in the double-alpha keepcase. The tin had a dent.

I never liked the tins as i keep every DVD/Blu-ray of mine in DVD wallet. SO I put the tins were the sun never sine.

4. Some Strange Decisions - the first "Silly Symphonies" set and "Mickey Mouse in Black and White" set were not chronological, and honestly, I hate that. In addition, while I'm sure there are fans of "Swamp Fox" and "Elfego Baca", giving only a few episodes of each rather than their own individual releases was also a puzzling decision.

No play all feature on Wave 2 and for me personally have the series not soly for Animated material. Inclusion of the Mouseworks/House of Mouse shorts.

I could go on and on, but I'd be lynch-mobbed by the likes of merlinjones, Heil Donald Duck, a-net-fan, etc.

In other word you just said what I have been trying to say for a wile but I'm only scratcing my head why you put my name on that list

If anything, I hope the blunders that went about during the 9 years of Walt Disney Treasures get remedied in whatever home video line comes next, if there is to be one (which I'm sure there will be, Blu-Ray is only 4 years old after all). Mainly, offer unedited cartoons (e.g. "Clock Cleaners" or "Three Little Pigs"), don't forget cartoons ("Casey Bats Again", "Susie the Little Blue Coupe", the Chip 'n Dale shorts, Laugh-O-Grams, etc.), do whatever is necessary to include deleted musical segments from "Disneyland", and if you're gonna release a television serial, offer the full run (like "Davy Crockett" or "Dr. Syn") rather than a sampling of episodes ("Swamp Fox", "Elfego Baca"). Hopefully we'll also get "People & Places", educational films that are well-known ("The Story of Menstruation" anyone/), and post-Walt material that are classics in their own right ("Disneyland Showtime", WDW footage, "Disney Family Album", etc.)
I will well come better relese of the alredy relesed matteral such on Blu-ray but I shouldn't hinder release of materal that have not been released before.
In the meantime, I'll enjoy the sets I do have, while still trying to acquire the ones I don't.

My replay are in red

[Escapay]

I could go on and on, but I'd be lynch-mobbed by the likes of merlinjones, Heil Donald Duck, a-net-fan, etc.

In other word you just said what I have been trying to say for a wile but I'm only scratcing my head why you put my name on that list

Sorry, I was typing on auto-pilot and thinking "Which UD members talk most about the Treasures sets?". I figured the ones that talk the most would also be the biggest defenders of all my criticisms. As it turns out, it was quite the opposite as you agreed with much of what I said!

albert

[milojthatch]

This is sure to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm kind of glad the Treasures are dead. Not because of the content released (far from it). Mainly because of how they were released.

I know that Leonard Maltin was in charge of the line, and I applaud him for what he's done with it for the past 9 years. I don't want to make it seem like he did a bad job or that someone else could have done it better. Mainly, most of the problems stemmed from the corporate side (IIRC, Maltin wanted separate "Swamp Fox" and/or "Elfego Baca" releases, but had to compromise with the 3-episode compilations), as well as the company image (their continued persistance at keeping Song of the South in the vault even though the Treasures line is the perfect vehicle for it, as it's geared to the adult collector who knows what he/she is getting).

1. Limited Amount of Sets - advertising that each wave has only a certain number of sets out automatically creates an artificial scarcity and a quick run in stores before scalpers jack up the price online, especially with the last few waves. In addition, it made several Disney fans (I've noticed this especially in some posters here) feel the need to brag about the fact that they had something that someone else didn't. "Haha, I have this, I bought it first week, you didn't, you're a loser for not getting into the treasures until two years later!" Honestly, the content is important, not the ability to say that you have it. And subsequently lowering the print run year by year made it harder to acquire, thus driving up prices and driving up egos of those that did acquire them. This is why I liked the Walt Disney Legacy Collection from 2006 (which would've replaced Walt Disney Treasures had there not been such an uproar). They had no limited print run (though sadly, it seems they're just selling out whatever's left with no intent on authoring more discs), thus keeping them available for people who don't have the ability to buy first week, or for people who discover they exist years later. It's no fun keeping the Treasures a secret simply to ensure you get a copy of something while someone else genuinely interested in the material doesn't.

2. Quality Control - yes, the Treasures have amazing quality compared to the cheap hourlong cartoon compilation DVDs and the complete absence of live-action catalogue TV releases. But QC problems have plagued the Treasures from the get-go. Shorts were unintentionally presented in their edited form or had the wrong title cards. Shorts were left off entirely as an oversight. A couple "Disneyland" episodes were edited due to music issues. Chronological Donald Volume 2 had less-than-stellar transfers (aside from the WWII ones). The list could go on and on. Fortunately, there were steps taken to remedy these, but given the nature of the release (limited edition sets that represent the works of Walt Disney), most of these mistakes should not have happened in the first place.

3. The Tins - some people would buy a set, then return it and get another simply because the tin had a dent in it. Seriously. Never mind what's on the disc, safely tucked away in the double-alpha keepcase. The tin had a dent.

4. Some Strange Decisions - the first "Silly Symphonies" set and "Mickey Mouse in Black and White" set were not chronological, and honestly, I hate that. In addition, while I'm sure there are fans of "Swamp Fox" and "Elfego Baca", giving only a few episodes of each rather than their own individual releases was also a puzzling decision.

I could go on and on, but I'd be lynch-mobbed by the likes of merlinjones, Heil Donald Duck, a-net-fan, etc.

If anything, I hope the blunders that went about during the 9 years of Walt Disney Treasures get remedied in whatever home video line comes next, if there is to be one (which I'm sure there will be, Blu-Ray is only 4 years old after all). Mainly, offer unedited cartoons (e.g. "Clock Cleaners" or "Three Little Pigs"), don't forget cartoons ("Casey Bats Again", "Susie the Little Blue Coupe", the Chip 'n Dale shorts, Laugh-O-Grams, etc.), do whatever is necessary to include deleted musical segments from "Disneyland", and if you're gonna release a television serial, offer the full run (like "Davy Crockett" or "Dr. Syn") rather than a sampling of episodes ("Swamp Fox", "Elfego Baca"). Hopefully we'll also get "People & Places", educational films that are well-known ("The Story of Menstruation" anyone/), and post-Walt material that are classics in their own right ("Disneyland Showtime", WDW footage, "Disney Family Album", etc.)

In the meantime, I'll enjoy the sets I do have, while still trying to acquire the ones I don't.

albert

While I am fighting for the content found on the Treasures, I'd have to agree with you 100% about the format they were presented in with the line itself.

My understanding is that next year, in some form or another, they will continue in honor of Walt's 110th birthday. If this mean a continuation to the line as it exists now, or a newer, similar version that either re-releases stuff from the original line, or continues on where the original left off, or a mix of both, we'll just have to wait and see.

I personally do feel that the documentaries coming out at the end of the year do fill that void, and if that is what we get with some kind of new and proper continuation next year, then I'm good so far as vintage Disney goes. If that is the case, then I'm going to focus more on 80's and some 90's Disney that has yet to see the light of day. That is after all, the Disney I grew up with!

[merlinjones]

All I care about is getting the rest of Walt Disney's personal work (and that of his studio and the Nine Old Men) on DVD - - especially the remaining animation and TV hours and unreleased features - - I have no interest in the later post-Walt corporate product - - and any documentaries would be better positioned as supporting extras to Walt's entertainment programs, rather than the main event. In this regard, the lack of actual Treasures (or even DMC Exclusives) leaves a huge void.

[Darby]

Bill Cotter posted this in the Home Theater Forum on July 2nd:

"The Disney Treasures series is officially dead. No further titles are in the works. I confirmed that with Leonard Maltin just now.

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Don't shoot the messenger. Like the rest of you, things would be far different if I had a vote. Happily I was able to get almost everything Disney did for television on tape, and am now transferring it to DVD. The Treasures have so much more, though, in terms of quality transfers and extras, so it's sad to see the end. I'm just glad I was able to help get them to do some of what they did do.

Â

Bill"

Here is the link: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/t ... st_3706740

I'd like to thank Bill for shaing the information that he has acquired about the future of the line, sad news though it is.

Darby

[merlinjones]

I can only hope out of desperation that someone down there decides to do a few TV anthology sets separately from Walt Disney Treasures, but that seems unlikely, doesn't it?

Poor Ludwig. Poor Walt. Poor us. Poor me.

Thanks to Bill and Leonard for all they have done to keep Walt's legacy alive.

[slave2moonlight]

and any documentaries would be better positioned as supporting extras to Walt's entertainment programs, rather than the main event. In this regard, the lack of actual Treasures (or even DMC Exclusives) leaves a huge void.

I have to agree very much with the above, especially if it's more mass market appeal they want. Though, I can see exceptions in some cases. I suppose they figure the people in the general public who might see Saludos Amigos and decide to buy it because it has Donald Duck on the cover or whatever probably already did buy it, so in that case maybe the improved (as in, unaltered) release might be better placed as a bonus feature. The same could work for Song of the South. Make a big documentary about who knows what (I doubt they'd do one on the controversial side of Disney), then have the film as a bonus feature? Still, it's hard to believe documentaries like Walt and El Grupo are going to appeal to the general audience... I don't know.... They're just asking too much by only wanting to release material that will appeal to every soccer mom at Wal-Mart and Target. People who are really just looking for babysitters, ugh. Disney Home Entertainment needs to stop seeing themselves as a babysitting service. The documentaries are only a step in the right direction if they don't expect/require HUGE sales of them.

[merlinjones]

>>The same could work for Song of the South. Make a big documentary about who knows what (I doubt they'd do one on the controversial side of Disney), then have the film as a bonus feature?<<

The sad thing there (for audiences and shareholders alike) is that "Song of the South" would be a massive seller in the mainstream market and big box retailers. That's a lot of money left on the table for what is a mere tempest in a teapot. The film has always made a ton of money in reissue.