Tangled (formerly Rapunzel) Discussion - Part II

[singerguy04]

I think Nov. 5 is it's selected release.

As far as the film's animation goes, I don't see how people can argue that it doesn't look more painterly. True, it's not as "painterly" as we originally expected, but this film has taken remarkable strides towards that look. Foliage, lighting, Rapunzel's hair, and in some scenes in the trailer you can see it in their faces... for me those things show proof that the idea wasn't completely abandoned.

[Super Aurora]

They probably changed date because they got their heads out of their asses finally and realize releasing this movie near Harry-f*cking-Potter is one damn bad move.

[jpanimation]

Either singerguy's right and the November 5th date is for it's selected release or marketing has come to their senses (either way, the animators are going to have to get going). Disney will be getting the majority of their money through the inflated ticket cost that comes with 3D showings. So to release it early not only gives it a couple of Harry Potter free weeks to earn as much as it can, but it also gives it a 3D showing when theaters won't have to choose. Remember, Harry Potter will be shown in 3D (I think it's crappy post production} and TRON: Legacy will be a BIG December 3D movie (with real 3D like Avatar). Either way, it's going to have some big competition, especially for your local theater's 3D screen.

[Disney Duster]

the latter.

Well, crap. I was really hoping for the former.

Well, not quite. Glen Keane still is trying to make the designs and animation be more like 2-D, like how smooth and flowy and stretchy it is.

And now, perhaps Glen is pushing for even more of that, and the more painterly look, and maybe the film really is being delayed.

[tsom]

The rumors better not be true because I'm working on my thesis and it's about the marketing of this movie and whether or not it was successful in the end (around Oscar time I guess). It's not due till April/May 2011, but if the movie isn't released till summer 2011, I would be sooooooooooo pissed!

[Polizzi]

What you are about to read is just an opinion, not a fact. In other words, nothing true, but a belief of something that did or will not happen.

I believe that there could be a reason, or not, to delay Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," is because:

1. There could be a lot of people, who went to see Disney and Pixar's,
"Toy Story 3," and watched the trailer of Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled),"
that are not satisfied with the trailer for Disney's upcoming animated
movie that is supposed to be based on a Grimm fairy tale, "Rapunzel."

2. Disney and Pixar's, "Toy Story 3," only made $439,800,000 worldwide
after Disney and Pixar's previous movie, "Up," made $731,338,164
worldwide last year, and won an Academy Award for Best Score this
year, which means Disney believes that they are not making enough
money, but it is still high.

3. Disney needs more time with Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," to either:
a. Perfect the story.
b. Add or remove characters.
c. Complete the animation of their movie.
d. Market their movie better.
e. All of the above.

4. Disney believes that even though their next animated movie,
"Rapunzel (Tangled)," will be, unless delayed, released after, "Harry
Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1," it will probably end up in
second place at the box office while Warner Bros.'s movie takes first
place at the box office.

5. Disney's 51st animated movie, or could be considered as 50th animated
movie due to delay, "Winnie the Pooh," could have been completed
already than Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," since it is traditional
animation besides computer animation.

6. There are too many computer animated movies that are ready to be
unleashed this year such as, "How to Train Your Dragon (made
$477,714,814, which means DreamWorks Animation made more money
on that movie than Disney and Pixar's, "Toy Story 3")," "Shrek
Forever After," "Despicable Me (coming this week)," "Legend of the
Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole," "Alpha and Omega," and,
"Megamind (which will be released the same month in November, along
with Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)")."

7. Not making enough money to complete their next animated movie.

What you have read is only an opinion. Who knows what Disney is going to do for their next animated movie. But from the looks of the trailer that they have accomplished, especially their animated movie that is completed about 50%, there could be a chance to complete the next 50%, and still release it in November, unless they like to reconsider, and receive more time on the movie.

My suggestion for Disney is this, "Why not delay it anyway? Besides, there are probably too many movies - too good to be true - that could take away Disney's place of success, including James Cameron's previous movie, "Avatar," which defeated Disney's previous animated movie, "The Princess and the Frog," not to mention, "Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakel."

To you Disney fans, you would probably say this, "That's the most stupid idea that I've ever heard! Delay the movie, are you crazy? Don't you realize that Disney worked very hard to put that movie together, and you mean to tell me that they're going to delay it? I don't think so! Their next movie will be better than those animated movies this year, especially when it's going to be an animated musical! And from the looks of the trailer, they will have a chance to release it this year, after all the hard work that Disney did! We say that Disney should stick to their marketing plan, and release the movie in November already!"

My response is this, "I don't know. My compliments for Disney's plan for delay is this, 'If you do that, you will never suffer from the movies that could take away your victory. I think you should delay it, and work on the story more than trying to get the boys to see it. Besides, there will be plenty of boys to see the movie. But if you unleash your movie along with other movies that could be better than yours, then boys would probably say that the movies they saw would probably be better than yours. If you really want to unleash your animated movie this year, well then good luck.' Anyways, I understand that Disney worked very hard to put on a good animated musical movie, but I have a heavy feeling that there are just too many movies that could be better, even though it's not a musical. And if Disney ever does delay it, and wait till summer 2011, this is going to sound crazy when I say this, why not fall 2011? Besides, hello? 'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2,' coming in July 2011 alert? If Disney did delay the movie, and decided to release it in the summer before or after, 'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2,' then Disney will be defeated once more. Anyways, that delay thing is probably just a rumor. Disney would probably still unleash their movie this year in November, without taking any chances, unless if they really need more time. We'll never know once Disney reveals their answer."

[SmartAleck25]

2. Disney and Pixar's, "Toy Story 3," only made $439,800,000 worldwide
after Disney and Pixar's previous movie, "Up," made $731,338,164
worldwide last year, and won an Academy Award for Best Score this
year, which means Disney believes that they are not making enough
money, but it is still high.

Well, keep in mind Toy Story 3's run isn't over yet, so it could still surpass Up in the long run.

As for delaying it, I think it'd be okay, since we certainly would want the quality to be as best as possible, not too rushed like in the Renaissance period (though those movies still were amazing, so I guess not). I don't really care either way, as long as they keep the Disney feel going. I also just thought of something: we all think that Tangled isn't going to do well because it's being released next to Harry Potter and it's aiming for the comedy side. About the Harry Potter thing, I'm not sure how they could resolve that except for delaying it, but who knows. About the comedy and Dreamworks style, weren't we expecting the same from How to Train Your Dragon? We thought it was just another heartless, comedy controlled Dreamworks movie. But it's had pretty good reviews from what I've read, and it's done rather well. Maybe Tangled will be the same, I dunno.

[Polizzi]

2. Disney and Pixar's, "Toy Story 3," only made $439,800,000 worldwide
after Disney and Pixar's previous movie, "Up," made $731,338,164
worldwide last year, and won an Academy Award for Best Score this
year, which means Disney believes that they are not making enough
money, but it is still high.

Well, keep in mind Toy Story 3's run isn't over yet, so it could still surpass Up in the long run.

As for delaying it, I think it'd be okay, since we certainly would want the quality to be as best as possible, not too rushed like in the Renaissance period (though those movies still were amazing, so I guess not). I don't really care either way, as long as they keep the Disney feel going. I also just thought of something: we all think that Tangled isn't going to do well because it's being released next to Harry Potter and it's aiming for the comedy side. About the Harry Potter thing, I'm not sure how they could resolve that except for delaying it, but who knows. About the comedy and Dreamworks style, weren't we expecting the same from How to Train Your Dragon? We thought it was just another heartless, comedy controlled Dreamworks movie. But it's had pretty good reviews from what I've read, and it's done rather well. Maybe Tangled will be the same, I dunno.

You could be right about Disney and Pixar's, "Toy Story 3." For example, Disney's Tim Burton movie, "Alice in Wonderland," made it to the billion dollar mark after giving more time to release the movie in other theaters of the world, even though it is about to be unleashed to DVD in the US.

[Scamander]

2. Disney and Pixar's, "Toy Story 3," only made $439,800,000 worldwide
after Disney and Pixar's previous movie, "Up," made $731,338,164
worldwide last year, and won an Academy Award for Best Score this
year, which means Disney believes that they are not making enough
money, but it is still high.

Well, keep in mind Toy Story 3's run isn't over yet, so it could still surpass Up in the long run.

Also, there are at least 17 countries (according to imdb) in which the movie didn't even started yet. Including such low populated countries like Germany (82 Mio.) or Japan (127 Mio.)

[SmartAleck25]

Uh, it's out on home video right now. But yeah, Alice did do very well in it's run. I think Toy Story 3 will catch up after all the Eclipse hype dies down; after all, it's domestic gross is already very near to Alice's. It was Alice's international gross that pulled it up.

[singerguy04]

Polizzi, you're reading way too far into a rumor. One of the biggest reasons why Disney wouldn't delay the release of this movie is money. It's been in development since at least 2003 or 2004. Maybe Disney doesn't even care when it's released because it's cost so much money to make lol. The Novemeber release date (although being close to HP) is a great time to release the film. Thanksgiving is one of the biggest movie holidays after all. Besides that, what would be the point is delaying the film because of competition? There is ALWAYS some sort of competition. If it's not from it's opening weekend it's from the prior or following weekend. It's just plain unavoidable.

And as for your fears of Toy Story 3 not making "enough" money... to be honest it's complete B.S. It's run isn't nearly over, and being that it was released over 2 weeks ago and is still in the top 5 at the box office proves so.

Don't get me wrong or anything, you're completely free to speculate all you want about this film. However, keep in mind of what it makes you sound like. To be honest, most of the time your posts seem like you're bashing the film because it's not turning out the way you expected it to be. This whole speculation, in a way, sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that Disney is "finally coming to their senses" and going to make the film your way. I'd just rather you not give your hopes up.

[estefan]

2. Disney and Pixar's, "Toy Story 3," only made $439,800,000 worldwide
after Disney and Pixar's previous movie, "Up," made $731,338,164
worldwide last year, and won an Academy Award for Best Score this
year, which means Disney believes that they are not making enough
money, but it is still high.

Wow, are you serious? Toy Story 3 has only been out for three weeks and that's an incredible gross, which Disney could not be more pleased with. In fact, it's already out-grossed Up domestically. And don't forget it hasn't been released in the UK yet, which is a pretty big market that I am sure Toy Story 3 will do amazingly in. So, don't be surprised if it not only out-grosses Up worldwide, but Ice Age 3 as well (currently the highest grossing animated feature worldwide). Disney could not be more pleased with the money they're making off of Toy Story 3. And it will probably scoop a good number of Oscars, too.

[Polizzi]

Don't get me wrong or anything, you're completely free to speculate all you want about this film. However, keep in mind of what it makes you sound like. To be honest, most of the time your posts seem like you're bashing the film because it's not turning out the way you expected it to be. This whole speculation, in a way, sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that Disney is "finally coming to their senses" and going to make the film your way. I'd just rather you not give your hopes up.

I wasn't trying to convince Disney's animated movie to be my way, I want it to be how Walt Disney, in Heaven or Hell (hopefully in Heaven), want his movie to be. To me does not matter, to Disney it does. True that the rumor is just a rumor, but that was just a thought to get more time. And of course Disney and Pixar's, "Toy Story 3," is still making money in other nations, just takes time. I don't care how Disney's animated movie turns out to be, except for the name of the movie which I'm trying to get over, but still kind of bothers me. Just as long as Disney makes the story better for once. Anyways, Disney and Pixar's, "Toy Story 3," will keep making money domestically and worldwide, and Disney's, "Rapunzel (Tangled)," well, who knows? If Disney decides to delay it, then they shall. If Disney decides to stick to their market plan, and unleash it this year in November, after, "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1," then they shall.

[singerguy04]

I wasn't trying to convince Disney's animated movie to be my way, I want it to be how Walt Disney, in Heaven or Hell (hopefully in Heaven), want his movie to be. To me does not matter, to Disney it does.

I'm not going to spend too much time on this, but at least own up to your own feelings. This sentence alone, just makes everything sounds ridiculous. You nor anybody can speak for Walt because he is dead. Don't be upset about the film and then hide behind "Well, that's not what Walt would've wanted". It gets you nowhere and from now makes your points seem childish. Beyond that it's not even Walt's movie. Even before Walt died he started handing over the animated films to other people. Sure, he would dabble now and then but that's no different than how Bob Iger would now, or how Eisner would in the 90's. Sure it had Walt's name on the project, but that's because his name is the company's name.

There is no way possible, that you're going to prove any point whatsoever with "That's what Walt would've done" because he's not here anymore to tell anyone what he would've done.

[Polizzi]

I wasn't trying to convince Disney's animated movie to be my way, I want it to be how Walt Disney, in Heaven or Hell (hopefully in Heaven), want his movie to be. To me does not matter, to Disney it does.

I'm not going to spend too much time on this, but at least own up to your own feelings. This sentence alone, just makes everything sounds ridiculous. You nor anybody can speak for Walt because he is dead. Don't be upset about the film and then hide behind "Well, that's not what Walt would've wanted". It gets you nowhere and from now makes your points seem childish. Beyond that it's not even Walt's movie. Even before Walt died he started handing over the animated films to other people. Sure, he would dabble now and then but that's no different than how Bob Iger would now, or how Eisner would in the 90's. Sure it had Walt's name on the project, but that's because his name is the company's name.

There is no way possible, that you're going to prove any point whatsoever with "That's what Walt would've done" because he's not here anymore to tell anyone what he would've done.

True, but I believe that people who work at Walt Disney Animation Studios would probably understand Walt Disney's dream, especially how he does it. If they took animated movies a little different, it would kind of be, but still considered to be, not the way that Walt Disney would have wanted, even though he passed away. In fact, here are some quotes by Walt Disney himself:

"I don't make pictures just to make money. I make money to make more pictures. I'd rather entertain and hope that people learn, than teach and hope that people are entertained. I'm not interested in pleasing the critics. I'll take my chances pleasing the audiences. I happen to be an inquisitive guy and when I see things I don't like, I start thinking why do they have to be like this and how can I improve them. The proper comedy for the screen is visual. Films try to get too many laughs out of the dialogue. We use pantomime not wisecracks. Portrayal of human sensations by inanimate objects such as steam shovels and rocking-chairs never fail to provoke laughter. Human distress exemplified by animals is sure-fire. A bird that jumps after swallowing a grasshopper is a natural. Surprise is always provocative."

P.S. These quotes are from his biography from Internet Movie Database (IMDb).

[DisneyJedi]

Part of me wants Tangled to be released this November. However, the other part of me thinks that they should push back the release date, so it isn't all rushed or anything.

Besides, they can't take any chances with releasing it around the same time as Harry Potter. Disney already took chances twice by releasing Bolt around the same time as Twilight, and Princess and the Frog against Avatar and the Squeakquel. Granted, The Princess and the Frog's gross came to $267 million worldwide, not including merchandise, but it probably would have done WAY better if it weren't released weeks before Avatar and Squeakquel. The same going for Bolt, had it not been released the same day as Twilight. XP

[Preble]

I have a question. Anyone know if anything Tangled related will be at that Comic Con thing later this month? I remember there was something for Princess and the Frog last year.

Also have any posters been released for the movie yet?

[jpanimation]

I forgot about Megamind. So Rapunzel's 3D competition will be:

Megamind on November 5th
Harry Potter on November 19th
TRON: Legacy on December 17th

Even though the Apple site lists Rapunzel as coming out November 5th, it wouldn't make sense to release it the same day as a DreamWorks production, where theaters will be forced to choose which to show on their one 3D screen (3D ticket prices GREATLY inflate the box office gross, so it's important). November 24th seems reasonable enough, as it would be sandwiched between two big 3D releases. I think most theaters will choose a 3D animated movie over a post production live action mess any day (none of my local theaters showed Clash of the Titans, they all kept How to Train Your Dragon). Families are more willing to buy the expensive 3D tickets and family movies have the largest potential audience (at least, this is my guess). So I think Rapunzel shouldn't have to worry too much about Harry Potter taking it's 3D theaters, which I'm guessing a lot of 3D theaters won't show but will instead keep Megamind until Rapunzel comes out. TRON: Legacy, on the other hand, I have a feeling will be marketed as THE 3D movie event (much like Avatar was) due to it actually being filmed in 3D. So Rapunzel should get a solid couple of weeks of 3D showings in before TRON: Legacy takes over.

[estefan]

Yogi Bear and The Chronicles of Narnia are other 3D releases set for release around that time period, though I actually think Warner Brothers will likely post-pone Yogi's release, since it's now July and we haven gotten practically nothing advertising-wise for it (even Smurfs already has a teaser).

It should also be noted that during after Walt's death and before Eisner, Wells and Katzenberg entered the scene and shook things up, the animators went by the mantra of "doing what Walt would have done." The result was (in my opinion) under-whelming films like Bedknobs and Broomsticks, The Aristocats, Rascal, Robin Hood and The Rescuers, that while all decent films, aren't quite on-par with a lot of the productions from Walt's lifetime.

[akhenaten]

3d was a novelty now it ain't.

films can 'cheat' by hoping to get the extra screens for extra grosses.with the number of 3d films comin out.its fair game to all now. films will be judged based on its own merits and hype.so..i guess..if it is indeed true that tangled will be delayed...i wouldn't mind..for the higher grosses that means so much to everyone. BUT NOT TOO LATE.

and i for one think disney shouldve convert persia and sorcerer into 3d. that wouldve helped. (as in titans case)