Fantasia/F2K: 2-Movie Collection Discussion: Nov. 30, 2010

[Rudy Matt]

The way things are right now, you have to use a Disney blu-ray to access the BD-LIVE site in order to access your saved HD content data. At least, I think so.

[miniroll32]

Thats a bummer... Damn you Apple and your Blu-Less Mac's!

[Rudy Matt]

I think you download them. That's what Paramount did for the Transformers Blu-ray when they added brand new HD supplements. Then again, on Disney's BD-Live network, you stream the SD trailers but download the HD ones (you know, considering this is the SD content). Personally, I hope we can download them to watch at our leisure, as I don't want to have to rely on my internet to watch them (considering Disney's BD-Live service takes forever to load).

To answer your question, "download them" should mean download them, as in store them to your Hard Drive, SD card or whatever storage your player uses. I'm currently using a 2GB SD card, so I'm thinking of going out and getting a 32 or 64GB SD for all this content (you know, future proof).

Great explanation - thanks! Lucky I have a PS3 then I take it those that have stand-alone Blu-Ray players wouldn't be able to download the content, as they don't normally have hard drives installed if I'm not mistaken?

All stand-alone Blu-Ray players have internal storage -- that's how you're able to save scenes to your favorites, or how the player knows what cars you've found in the BRD for Cars -- but BD-LIVE stuff is typically relegated to external storage, such as a USB drive. I've had the Fantasia and TRON trailers saved there (on the USB drive) since Snow White came out. But I doubt I can unplug the USB and try to play the content somewhere else. I think I need the disc to unlock the content saved on the USB. Make sense?

By the way, this is completely off-topic, but I love how the Magic Mirror knows the time of day and the weather outside when I play the Blue Ray disc. He is the host for the disc, and he appears at the beginning and makes references to the time of day and the weather and how long it has been since you played the movie. It was raining a few Sundays ago, and to test the ol' mirror out, I popped in the Snow White BR disc. "Good morning, Master. A bit wet outside, I see..." he intoned. Sorry, I love that stuff.

[2099net]

I doubt Disney will let you keep the supplements. More likely they will stream them live - that way they have more control. And home video distribution is just as much about control to the studios these days as satisfying the public.

That said, it sounds like an ideal solution to me. People bitched and moaned about BD-Live being pointless - but this shows that even with just a little imagination its not (and really, redistributing previously created supplements over BD-Live really is close to the bottom of the barrel when it comes to an imaginative use of the technology).

Now we just need Disney to turn on BD-Live outside the US. Come on Disney, every single other studio has managed it? What's wrong with you?

[jpanimation]

I doubt Disney will let you keep the supplements. More likely they will stream them live - that way they have more control. And home video distribution is just as much about control to the studios these days as satisfying the public.

I really hope not, streaming on my player is EXTREMELY SLOW. I have a top-of-the-line player (at least at the time it was made), so I have to think it's Disney's BD-Live network. Sure, they wouldn't have as much control if you download it. I downloaded the HD trailers (Fantasia, James and the Giant Peach) on my player, took out my SD card, and uploaded them to YouTube. There's nothing stopping people from doing the same with the Fantasia Legacy content, but let's be honest here, it's just as easy to pop in a DVD, and put that on YouTube (which people have already done). So since the content is already out there, and Disney hasn't done anything about it, what the hell do they fear? If they're going to worry about file-sharing soo much that it inconveniences the customers who actually buy their products to the point of disgust, then who are they really helping? All I know is I don't want to wait 10 minutes to watch a 5 minute deleted scene (EVERY TIME), in addition to the 10 minutes it takes to get on the Disney BD-Live network.

So to end my rant, I hope to hell they let you download them. If they end up streaming it, I'll just hunt down the Fantasia Legacy DVD to avoid the inconvenience.

[miniroll32]

I quite agree so far. I have the Dumbo: Special Edition Blu-Ray that was released in March, and that includes a section dedicated to 'Classic DVD' supplements from previous releases. Sure, the film itself is only an hour long and the new extra footage wasn't very extensive, but given these 'Classic' supplements are in SD they surely can't take much extra room.

[ajmrowland]

Damn, since Disney launched this new BD-Live server, I cant seem to keep anything I download from it.

[Class316]

Any word on whether or not we get the intact version of Fantasia? I guess not

[ajmrowland]

If we dont get word on that before November, you can kiss that possibility goodbye.

[Rudy Matt]

I'd kiss that goodbye right now - why wait till November for something that is never going to happen. I have the faintest of hopes that the 1982 version will be included, but I aint holdin my breath,

[Heil Donald Duck]

The main thing I'm still wondering about is what version of the film we're getting? Uncut, roadshow, edited content, edited length, Corey Burton re-dub, Deems Taylor narration with impersonator filling in the blanks, etc? All we know is it's had an amazing 4k restoration (maybe this was the holdup for the release).

how many verison actually exist of the film?

[Rudy Matt]

The main thing I'm still wondering about is what version of the film we're getting? Uncut, roadshow, edited content, edited length, Corey Burton re-dub, Deems Taylor narration with impersonator filling in the blanks, etc? All we know is it's had an amazing 4k restoration (maybe this was the holdup for the release).

how many verisons actually exist of the film?

1940 original release
1940 butchered RKO version
1946 (popular version) mono re-release
1955 widescreen stereo release
1967 psychedelic censored release
1982 digitial stereo release
1990 50th anniversary version
2000 "Roadshow Version"
2010 ???

[miniroll32]

2010 = The widescreen original digital roadshow butchered psychedelic 70th anniversary edition

[Escapay]

Followed in 2020 with "The Shadow Puppet Rotoscope Experiment"



albert

[DisneyJedi]

I'll be happy if this gets released uncut.

[miniroll32]

The Uncut version isn't due till the year 4050

[REINIER]

There are five DACs that I'm still missing from my DVD collection and Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 are two of them, so I'll definitely be buying them. If I recall, the last issue wasn't on store shelves for very long.

I do hope they include some deleted scenes like this one:

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I might be mistaken, but isn't this part of the
Make Mine Music dvd, I know it was intended for fantasia, but I'll doubt they'll use it twice right??

[miniroll32]

The actual 'sequence' of Claire de Lune is incomplete, to put it simply. Although the animation was finished and used in Make Mine Music, the shots of the orchestra at the beginning were just taken from Fantasia. And since there were never any shots recorded specifically to open and close this sequence for Fantasia (because the idea was dumped early enough), its very unlikely this will be included in the film presentation, though it will in the extras no doubt.

In my opinion, I'm glad they pulled it from the final shooting. Although its a 'nice' short, I can't see how it would have integrated into the film without slowing down the pace further - especially after long sequences like The Rite of Spring. [/i]

[REINIER]

The actual 'sequence' of Claire de Lune is incomplete, to put it simply. Although the animation was finished and used in Make Mine Music, the shots of the orchestra at the beginning were just taken from Fantasia. And since there were never any shots recorded specifically to open and close this sequence for Fantasia (because the idea was dumped early enough), its very unlikely this will be included in the film presentation, though it will in the extras no doubt.

In my opinion, I'm glad they pulled it from the final shooting. Although its a 'nice' short, I can't see how it would have integrated into the film without slowing down the pace further - especially after long sequences like The Rite of Spring. [/i]

Thanx for clarifying, I was not aware of all this

[tlc38tlc38]

In a way it kind of surprises me that Disney hasn't released anything else about this release, especially cover art.

Then again....it doesn't.

If this is coming out in December, it looks like we would've heard SOMETHING more set in stone by now.