Tangled (formerly Rapunzel) Discussion - Part II

[PatrickvD]

can we get back to Tangled? Or as we call it in my country: Rapunzel

[UmbrellaFish]

Yes, I don't live in a racist area but it was still nearly impossible to get someone to go with me (I now owe them, which means I'm obligated to go see some crappy movie they want to see). Seeing Disney movies in theaters, especially "Princess Movies" with horrible child aimed marketing, is extremely embarrassing. Disney movies just aren't event movies anymore ever since the DTV sequels reared their ugly heads.

I agree with jpanimation. Truth is, I do think racism played a part in the underperformance of TPATF, but not a major part. I think the biggest part is the Disney Princess franchise, and the DTV films.

I wonder to myself, that had Disney not added Tiana to the DP franchise until after the release of the film, and had they marketed it with plain merchandise only related to the movie in general instead of Tiana specifically, the film would have suffered less from "Princess" backlash. And I'm going to be honest, I dreaded mentioning the film by name. Dreaded it. Didn't even mention it to my friends! Even when I did mention it, I just said it was "a new Disney movie". It's embarrassing for a teenage boy to talk to his friends about a movie called "The Princess and the Frog", not because it's a "Disney" movie.

And I can't agree with jpanimation's assessment on the quality of the film. While it's not the brightest star of all of Disney's films, it's not that bad. Compared to many of the film's children are subjected to these days (with the virtual sole exception of Pixar films), TPATF was a masterpiece. Is it as good as TLM or BATB or Aladdin? I don't think so, but it's not trash.

[robster16]

can we get back to Tangled? Or as we call it in my country: Rapunzel

I know, I keep coming into the thread thinking there is actually news! LOL

[estefan]

I can see you completely ignoring the fact that the movie isn't as great as you think it is and looking for any excuse possible as to why it failed beyond that fact.

In your opinion, jp. In your opinion.

And even if you feel it's because of lack of good word-of-mouth, The Princess and the Frog did have critical support with its 82% on Rotten Tomatoes being just one point lower than Avatar's rating. And completely trouncing Alvin's percentage. So, the critics were certainly behind it. Alas, audiences would more in the mood for high-pitched chipmunks and the Sandra Bullock Hallmark film.

[Super Aurora]

can we get back to Tangled? Or as we call it in my country: Rapunzel

I know, I keep coming into the thread thinking there is actually news! LOL

Actually, I think you are one of few people who do the providing for tangled news.

[mawnck]

can we get back to Tangled? Or as we call it in my country: Rapunzel

Sorry. I fell victim to "SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET IS WRONG!!" Syndrome. (Plus I really do prefer my Disney movies uncensored. Guess that proves I'm a racist.)

[jpanimation]

And I can't agree with jpanimation's assessment on the quality of the film. While it's not the brightest star of all of Disney's films, it's not that bad. Compared to many of the film's children are subjected to these days (with the virtual sole exception of Pixar films), TPATF was a masterpiece. Is it as good as TLM or BATB or Aladdin? I don't think so, but it's not trash.

I can see from my wording it sounded like I hated it. On the contrary, I very much enjoyed it (Doctor Facilier is one of my ALL-TIME favorite villains). I just thought the execution was less then stellar and the final movie is a little messy. To clarify, it wasn't that bad, just not that good.

I can see you completely ignoring the fact that the movie isn't as great as you think it is and looking for any excuse possible as to why it failed beyond that fact.

In your opinion, jp. In your opinion.

I take it you think this is the best animated feature from Disney since Sleeping Beauty? If not, then it's your opinion too

And even if you feel it's because of lack of good word-of-mouth, The Princess and the Frog did have critical support with its 82% on Rotten Tomatoes being just one point lower than Avatar's rating. And completely trouncing Alvin's percentage. So, the critics were certainly behind it. Alas, audiences would more in the mood for high-pitched chipmunks and the Sandra Bullock Hallmark film.

Rotten Tomatoes means nothing to the movie going audience. I offer you Transformers 2 and Shrek the Turd, or better yet, the entire Twilight Saga. Established fan bases could care less.

According to Disney Central Plaza, the movie in France will just be called "Raiponce" instead of "Princesse Raiponce". There was an exhibition in Disneyland Paris where the logo was revealed.

This has now been confirmed on IMDB. As someone else asked, I wonder what title the French speaking portion of Canada will be getting. Raiponce maybe? We'll see how this one turns out.

[tsom]

And I'm going to be honest, I dreaded mentioning the film by name. Dreaded it. Didn't even mention it to my friends! Even when I did mention it, I just said it was "a new Disney movie". It's embarrassing for a teenage boy to talk to his friends about a movie called "The Princess and the Frog", not because it's a "Disney" movie.

Honestly, if "Tangled" was titled "Rapunzel", wouldn't it be embarrassing for a boy to say he wants to go see "Rapunzel"? Or a boy saying his favorite Disney movies are either "Snow White", "Cinderella", "The Little Mermaid", "Sleeping Beauty", "Beauty & the Beast", "Pocahontas", or "Mulan"? Now, if the movie was titled "The Frog Prince," I wonder if it would it have made things better?

[UmbrellaFish]

And I'm going to be honest, I dreaded mentioning the film by name. Dreaded it. Didn't even mention it to my friends! Even when I did mention it, I just said it was "a new Disney movie". It's embarrassing for a teenage boy to talk to his friends about a movie called "The Princess and the Frog", not because it's a "Disney" movie.

Honestly, if "Tangled" was titled "Rapunzel", wouldn't it be embarrassing for a boy to say he wants to go see "Rapunzel"? Or a boy saying his favorite Disney movies are either "Snow White", "Cinderella", "The Little Mermaid", "Sleeping Beauty", "Beauty & the Beast", "Pocahontas", or "Mulan"? Now, if the movie was titled "The Frog Prince," I wonder if it would it have made things better?

Well, I wasn't really referring to Tangled when I was writing that post (in fact, I thought this was the TPATF thread when I wrote that...), but only time will tell for me about "Tangled". I could say that I'll say the name "Tangled" without shame, but I won't know until the time comes.

Also, from a standpoint of a boy, it's easier to talk about the films made during your childhood (basically all the Renaissance films up to Lilo and Stitch) because they were apart of everybody's childhood. Now admit TLM is my favorite? I wouldn't do that. I gotta admit, the more I write this, the more ashamed I am of myself, because I am so passionate about these films, but the truth is, how can I stand up for them when even I immediately picture Disney Princess merchandise when I think of the films, rather than the actual product?

Can't give you an answer about The Frog Prince.

In the end though, how Disney represents their films through marketing is crucial to how they will be perceived by the public, even prior to their opening. And the truth is, Disney Princess is not welcoming to most boys.

[toonaspie]

CGI, comedy, celebrity voices, music by Alan Menken: Tangled has good stuff going for it that will likely allow it to do well. I dont have doubts about that...

But come on if you've seen the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows trailer that came out this week...and compared it to the Tangled one that just came out with TS3. It's no contest at the moment which film looks all the more "must see" and appealling.

Tangled needs to make and get a better trailer out there soon or else when November comes around, things might get ugly. The Princess and the Frog had both the better teaser and trailer in comparison.

[ajmrowland]

Yeah. This movie's gonna have an EXTREMELY hard opening, but maybe that's what Disney's hoping. Maybe they're trying to get a head-start on the Christmas season. I mean, barely anything is opening then aside from Narnia.

[jpanimation]

Honestly, if "Tangled" was titled "Rapunzel", wouldn't it be embarrassing for a boy to say he wants to go see "Rapunzel"?

It would probably be embarrassing either way. I've said this before but "Tangled" sounds like a DTV vehicle for some Disney Channel star. What would help is if Disney could improve their image to the point where name wouldn't matter and people just associated quality with them. Seriously, would anyone be embarrassed to see Rapunzel if it was the next PIXAR movie?

[ajmrowland]

Some people will think it's Pixar.

[jpanimation]

Some people will think it's Pixar.

Not with those trailers, more like DreamWorks

[singerguy04]

Some people will think it's Pixar.

Remember the days when people thought Pixar was Disney?

I really hope we get a new trailer sooner than later. Disney needs to start appealing towards adults so that they'll want to bring their kids. Did you know that it usually takes 2 adults to make 1 child!?!?!?! I know that's crazy, but hear me out... that means Disney could (hypothetically speaking of course) sell 2 extra tickets for most children!!!!!

who would've thought?

[estefan]

Didn't the children drag their parents to The Squeakquel last year? I really hope most parents weren't in the mood for seeing singing chipmunks a second go-around over a Disney animated musical. Heck, I remember dragging my parents to see The Rugrats Movie, which I think they had pretty much zero interest in. I recall Angelica really getting on my father's nerves.

In your opinion, jp. In your opinion.

I take it you think this is the best animated feature from Disney since Sleeping Beauty? If not, then it's your opinion too

Nah, I think it's the best Disney animated feature since Aladdin.

[DisneyJedi]

Didn't the children drag their parents to The Squeakquel last year? I really hope most parents weren't in the mood for seeing singing chipmunks a second go-around over a Disney animated musical. Heck, I remember dragging my parents to see The Rugrats Movie, which I think they had pretty much zero interest in. I recall Angelica really getting on my father's nerves.

Whaddya expect? Angelica was a bratty little witch.

I take it you think this is the best animated feature from Disney since Sleeping Beauty? If not, then it's your opinion too

Nah, I think it's the best Disney animated feature since Aladdin.

Really? I thought it was the best one since Lilo & Stitch.

[mawnck]

I thought it was the best one since Lilo & Stitch.

[jpanimation]

Really? I thought it was the best one since Lilo & Stitch.

I agree. Hard to believe it was that long since we got anything worthwhile from them.

[Rudy Matt]

You are making an error of logic. To evaluate one in a series as being the best in that series is not to state that the rest was somehow not worthwhile or without merit. In a 100 yard dash, with multiple athletes running, just because one crosses the finish line first doesn't mean everyone else is slow. They just aren't as fast, or didn't catch a lucky break.

Your statement perhaps illustrates why you seem to be irrationally hostile to the idea of Princess and the Frog being the most complete and uniformly excellent film from Disney since the last great animated film of Walt's time (Sleeping Beauty)...you think such a statement means nothing else has been worthwhile. That isn't what I said at all. I never even said Sleeping Beauty or even PATF were perfect unflawed movies. I think Lady and the Tramp is better than Sleeping Beauty AND PATF, to say nothing of how Bambi, Fantasia and Pinocchio tower over everything the studio made afterwards, Tramp and Beauty and Frog included. But never did I suggest that none of the films made between Sleeping Beauty and Frog were worthwhile...that's ludicrous.