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Hmm... there's quite a few additional cartoons.
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This is actually turning out to be quite a good one, arguably better than Snow White. Of course, I still probably won't have a Blu-Ray player to watch this on for some time. Such is the nomadic endless student lifestyle I lead. :(
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Holy crap I’m impressed :shock:

Not only is ‘Beyond Beauty’ a 53 minute documentary, but it looks like it includes hours more material we didn’t even know about (all in a Hyperion Studios-esque interactive package, I’m sure). All these “new” features are in addition to the 20 minute ‘Composing a Classic,’ the 12 minute ‘Broadway Beginnnings,’ and the abundance of classic DVD features (i.e. The Story Behind the Story, demo recordings, animation tests, music videos, trailers, commercials, etc.).

One of the new features listed that has me really excited, ‘The Purdum Reel.’ Could this be an 18 minute look at Dick Purdum’s original London take on Beauty and the Beast (non-musical, I think). I’m overcome with excitement, as I thought it had enough as it was and now they give us even more.

Besides the Academy Awards clip just recently posted, I can’t think of anything major missing. Now if they can give us some pleasing colors....
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jpanimation wrote:One of the new features listed that has me really excited, ‘The Purdum Reel.’ Could this be an 18 minute look at Dick Purdum’s original London take on Beauty and the Beast (non-musical, I think). I’m overcome with excitement, as I thought it had enough as it was and now they give us even more.
Do you think that that will be discussed in the "Tale As Old As Time Book" by Charles Solomon that's coming out (or is it out?)?
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blackcauldron85 wrote:Do you think that that will be discussed in the "Tale As Old As Time Book" by Charles Solomon that's coming out (or is it out?)?
Yes, it will during chapter III. Finding You Can Change/Learning You Were Wrong: The initial version of the film.

Some new info. According to Hey U Guys!, ‘The Purdum Reel’ is the actual leica reel the original directors Dick and Jill Purdum showed to Katzenberg that got them kicked off the project (with Kirk Wise and Gary Trousdale stepping in). It is expected to contain all of the work they did on the movie during the 10 weeks of production before Katzenberg shut it down for being to dark and dramatic. I think this is an awesome feature.
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The feature they got kicked off for?!!!!!!!!! Too dark and dramatic?!!!!

AWESOME!!!!!!

Could there ever be a better feature than that?!

This Blu-ray will be worth a double dip, everyone. And I don't even own the DVD, so it'll be my first dip!

The colors better be the original ones, though.
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jpanimation, is the book out? Do you have it? How else do you know what chapters there are?!?!

And that feature sounds amazing... if it's on the DVD, I might have to double-dip. I know that Blu-ray players are supposedly cheaper now, and I'm not going to start a Blu-ray/DVD argument, I'm not... :sigh:
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blackcauldron85 wrote:jpanimation, is the book out? Do you have it? How else do you know what chapters there are?!?!
I don't have the book, it comes out on August 31, 2010. I know the chapters because I went on Amazon and clicked on the 'Look Inside' feature, which lets you looks at the first few pages of the book. Speaking of the book, the colors for the ballroom sequence on the cover are correct (the 'darker' colors really adds depth).
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I didnt even know the movie had two other directors at one point.
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Thanks for letting me know- I just used the "Look Inside" feature- eeee, I can't wait!!! :)
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Disney Duster wrote:This Blu-ray will be worth a double dip, everyone. And I don't even own the, so it'll be my first dip!
I'm with you, I don't have the DVD either, just the original VHS and special edition VHS, with "Human Again." I've seen the special features on the DVD though.

This Blu-ray sounds amazing, I can't wait! :)
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MJW wrote:I'm with you, I don't have the DVD either, just the original VHS and special edition VHS, with "Human Again." I've seen the special features on the DVD though.
Me too, I never owned the DVD, only the VHS (which I sold about a year ago). So this is a BIG upgrade for me, you, and many other DVD holdouts. This relese is going to be awesome.

One thing I have to wonder is just how much of this EXTENSIVE set can be attributed to Don Hahn? The Snow White Diamond Edition was a little disappointing as far as the supplements are concerned, as they chose to drop a lot of the Platinum Edition features that dealt with production. This release, however, ports nearly everything from the Platinum Edition, while adding HOURS of new material (great material). With Don Hahn having taken a leave of absence as one of the major producers at WDFA, not to mention all the time he spent researching for Waking Sleeping Beauty and preparing 3D versions of these films, I have to think he's spending this new free time helping out on this release (as you can tell by all of his promoting of it). This is great news, as he was the producer of Beauty and the Beast even back in the early Purdum days of production, so he should really be a great asset to WDHE.

If it's Don Hahn's involvement that's resulting in such an extensive release for Beauty and the Beast, then I'm REALLY excited to see what supplements we get on The Lion King's Diamond Edition release. Don Hahn, who also produced Lorenzo, One by One, and The Little Matchgirl, could also be the explanation as to why those shorts are showing up on the Fantasia Diamond Edition release.
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I'm jazzed about the inclusion of four Laugh-O-Gram shorts. I'd buy the set for those alone.
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jpanimation wrote:One thing I have to wonder is just how much of this EXTENSIVE set can be attributed to Don Hahn?
When I spoke to him in March after a screening of Waking Sleeping Beauty, he mentioned how he just received the final set of extras for the Blu-Ray, and was going to look over them before final submission to Disney which I gather to mean he was the producer for the entire set (like how Charles de Lauzirika produces all the Ridley Scott DVDs), from film presentation to supplements to menus, etc. When I asked him what kind of features we could expect, he mentioned the new making-of documentary, the Purdum material, and the featurette about Howard Ashman (the latter two of which hadn't turned up on BBFC until the latest classification set that Coolmanio posted). Given that there was the previous BBFC classification for an unnamed 18-minute featurette for Disc 1, I'm assuming that's the also Purdum Reel, and it's available on its own (as is "Belle in the Library") as well as in "Beyond Beauty Experience".

Given that the galleries will be Blu-Ray only, it's one reason to hold on to the old DVD, while the other is the differing number of stills in the Diamond vs. the Platinum:

Gallery: Platinum / Diamond

Storyboard Art: 0 / 73 - the PE has no Storyboard Gallery
Beast: 43 / 30
Belle: 30 / 32
Gaston: 48 / 9 - the PE gallery is for Gaston & Lefou
Objects: 95 / 18 - the PE gallery is for Lumiere, Mrs. Chips & Pott, Cogsworth, & Other EO's
Visual Development: 72 / 58 - the PE gallery is called "Concept Art & Design"
Backgrounds: 67 / 30
Original Release Publicity: 14 / 0
Large Format Publicity: 12 / 0
Broadway Musical Publicity: 34 / 0
Broadway Costume Design: 9 / 0

Other than that, and the lack of the 1991 or 2002 documentaries, this is really turning out to be an excellent Blu-Ray and DVD set, and October truly can't come soon enough.
Rudy Matt wrote:I'm jazzed about the inclusion of four Laugh-O-Gram shorts. I'd buy the set for those alone.
Ditto. I'm surprised they were excluded from the Walt Disney Treasures: Disney Rarities.

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Escapay wrote:Original Release Publicity: 14 / 0
Large Format Publicity: 12 / 0
Broadway Musical Publicity: 34 / 0
Broadway Costume Design: 9 / 0
No way, I love publicity material. It's nice to know we're getting the trailers and commercials but dammit, I love having the poster art.

As for the storyboard art, isn't that a little redundant, since we have the entire storyboarded film as an option?
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Rudy Matt wrote:I'm jazzed about the inclusion of four Laugh-O-Gram shorts. I'd buy the set for those alone.
That goes for me too!

I didn't think we would see any more walt-era cartoons released in this Treasureless-year.
Gives a little hope for the future of a Treasures/Legacy-like series, to see that they are still interested in restoring and releasing this kind of material.
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It's interesting that Don Hahn's trailer for The Alchemy of Animation uses the correct theatrical colors for the ballroom sequence (you know, considering this came out way after the DVD). I mean, if you LOOK HERE you can see they gave out the correct colors to the press when they were promoting the IMAX release. Besides the DVD and the trailers for the DVD, not much else uses those colors. Video clips and stills in books usually use the accurate colors. Just saying.

I know people are tired of hearing this but I wonder if they'll let Will Finn re-animate the Cogsworth scene (again) that no one seems to be happy with. As it is, the re-animated version uses WAY too much S&S and they re-did the lighting (where did his shadow go?). Finn says he would do it even more subtle and in-character, something the directors want too.
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Looks like reviews are already beginning to trickle out...
Disney's most-requested film, Beauty and the Beast will become the second inductee to their prestigious "Diamond Collection" when it is released in a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack on October 5th ($39.99). When we load the disc, a virtual Lumiere guides us through a computer-generated rendition of The Beast's castle, with BD-Live keeping his pithy comments accurate to the time of day.

The film itself has apparently been scrubbed to near-immaculation, endowed with a new 7.1-channel home theater mix as well. An interactive documentary allows us break away to those topic-specific pods which interest us, with expert comments spoken directly to the viewer, breaking the fourth wall. Younger viewers will surely enjoy the Jordin Sparks music video for the theme song, and the new "Disney Teleplay" technology which gives families the opportunity to play Blu-ray games without all fighting for the remote. Instead, we can call a special phone number, choose a character icon and play together in real time, telephone in hand.

Disney continues its tradition of including a standard def DVD version of the film in the package to satisfy the need for portable and non-critical viewing.

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After an extensive restoration, Disney's Beauty and the Beast looks good enough to eat.
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Well, I'm bored so I'm back at it again with some new color comparisons. Some of these I find VERY intersting, as not only was a red-hue added but some of the lighting was affected in certain scenes (changing the feel and losing some depth). You'll see what I mean.

The first set of comparisons come directly from the Beauty and the Beast Diamond Edition official website's image gallery.

http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/anima ... llery.html

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This next set of comparisons are actually publicity images that Disney sent out to the press to promote the 2001 IMAX theatrical re-release.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101414/mediaindex

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This last image is from the same IMAX publicity campaign but is particularly interesting because it is from the "new" Human Again sequence. What this shows is that even this brand new sequence was initially animated with the correct colors before getting that red-hue pasted over it.

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What does all this mean? Well it means that the DVD colors are the DVD colors, NOT the Special Edition colors, NOT the IMAX colors, the DVD colors. Disney posted actual shots from Dumbo's restoration in it's image gallery before it was release, matching what was found on the Blu-ray, so we can only hope.
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jpanimation wrote:Well, I'm bored so I'm back at it again with some new color comparisons. Some of these I find VERY intersting, as not only was a red-hue added but some of the lighting was affected in certain scenes (changing the feel and losing some depth). You'll see what I mean.

The first set of comparisons come directly from the Beauty and the Beast Diamond Edition official website's image gallery.

http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/anima ... llery.html

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Just look at Lumiere dancing. Look at how screwed up the lighting is with the DVD colors. He no longer glows from the spot light on him, the background dancers no longer are in the shadows, just everything about the DVD version is wrong. No way the directors intended that.

This next set of comparisons are actually publicity images that Disney sent out to the press the promote the IMAX theatrical release.

http://www.awn.com/articles/reviews/bea ... ets-bigger

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This first one with Belle and Beast dancing is my ideal color scheme.
This is the one I grew up with, the one with depth. The one with
atmospheric lighting and dark night outside the windows.


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These last images are from the same IMAX publicity campaign but are particularly interesting because they are of the "new" Human Again sequence. What this shows is that even this brand new sequence was initially animated with the correct colors before getting that red-hue pasted over it.

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What does all this mean? Well it means that the DVD colors are the DVD colors, NOT the Special Edition colors, NOT the IMAX colors, the DVD colors. Disney posted actual shots from Dumbo's restoration in it's image gallery before it was release, matching what was found on the Blu-ray, so we can only hope.
So.....

We will or won't be getting the crappy look from the 2002 DVD? And furthermore, is it really a new and more correct restoration we'll be getting? :?
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