A UD social study

[Goliath]

Why is this thread any more stupid than the threads asking if you ARE gay, or DO have Autism/Asperger's Syndrome, etc...?

Good point.

[Lazario]

And one which I already addressed on the previous page.

[ajmrowland]

I think the success of the Gay thread (its' begetting multiple volumes) speaks for itself. Or the fact that it's inspired members on here who were not even totally out yet to come out despite the at least 4 members of this board who have made sure to say they think homosexuality is a sin and wrong and etc. And that's what's uncool, ajmrowland.

I never said I was against homosexuality. If I ever implied that or any stereotyping in any post of mine, I apologize. Sometimes, I wasnt sure and Im still not. I might be bi, for all I know. IDK

EDIT: I edited the title and TP so as to sound less homophobic or anti-autism(I'm autistic, remember). The original title was there because the thought was spur-of-the-moment and I wanted it to be intriguing.

[Lazario]

I think the success of the Gay thread (its' begetting multiple volumes) speaks for itself. Or the fact that it's inspired members on here who were not even totally out yet to come out despite the at least 4 members of this board who have made sure to say they think homosexuality is a sin and wrong and etc. And that's what's uncool, ajmrowland.

I never said I was against homosexuality.

I wasn't implying that. I was refering to the Elton John post where you complained I was being "uncool." I just put things into perspective. Saying maybe I'm picky but that there are worse things to complain about than me.

I edited the title and TP so as to sound less homophobic or anti-autism(I'm autistic, remember). The original title was there because the thought was spur-of-the-moment and I wanted it to be intriguing.

Well, that just leaves me with one thing to say: you're not going to get every single UD'er who fits that description to answer you. And even then, no one is treating this like it's intriguing. Even Goliath is kinda striking out against the gay themed threads. This is not bringing out the best in anyone.

[ajmrowland]

I never said I was against homosexuality.

I wasn't implying that. I was refering to the Elton John post where you complained I was being "uncool." I just put things into perspective. Saying maybe I'm picky but that there are worse things to complain about than me.

Well, I was frustrated because I overlooked that in the search results. they weren't listed by relevance.

I edited the title and TP so as to sound less homophobic or anti-autism(I'm autistic, remember). The original title was there because the thought was spur-of-the-moment and I wanted it to be intriguing.

Well, that just leaves me with one thing to say: you're not going to get every single UD'er who fits that description to answer you. And even then, no one is treating this like it's intriguing. Even Goliath is kinda striking out against the gay themed threads. This is not bringing out the best in anyone.

I know. I was just curious.

[PatrickvD]

I'm gay and have NO idea what's going on in this thread... does that make me autistic?

[Goliath]

Even Goliath is kinda striking out against the gay themed threads.

HUH?

Where exactly, pray tell, did I "strike out against" the gay themed threads?

I'm one of the most active members of those threads, frequently bringing in news about gay rights all over the world. (Which is ironic, since I'm not gay myself.)

So please, do not speak on my behalf.

[slave2moonlight]

Well, I'm not either one, and I don't agree that there's anything wrong in asking, if it's okay to ask who IS.

[Siren]

ajmrowland, its not worth the argument. Continue your thread how you see fit. Some people just like to hear themselves talk/see themselves type. I think this thread shows a majority of the participants see no problem with your "social study". Don't let others make you feel like you did wrong, when you haven't. Carry on.

[littlefuzzy]

...despite the at least 4 members of this board who have made sure to say they think homosexuality is a sin and wrong and etc. And that's what's uncool, ajmrowland..

According to the Christian religion, it is a sin, at least based on the Old Testament. Many of the laws from the Old Testament have been brought into the Christian religion, barring stuff like animal sacrifices, eating unclean meat, and specific worship practices that are part of the Jewish religion but not the Christian religion.

That being said, however, there are not degrees of sin. A little white lie, or someone stealing 10 cents from their boss's drawer at work are just as great or just as minute sins as having sex (gay or straight) outside of marriage, murder, or anything else. Every person is born a sinner, and they commit sins eveyr day. God can't stand the sight of any sin, and it (and the sinner) is banished from His presence. However, Jesus came as the Son of God and therefore sinless, to be sacrificed for our sins past, present and future, if you accept Him into your heart.

Those "sticking your finger with a pin" (you know the word I mean) people at the Westboro "church" are sinning every time they go do one of their protests, and they certainly aren't doing the Work of God. It's similar to someone who shoots an abortionist. I believe that abortion is murder (particularly at certain points in the development), but the shooter is committing murder as well. Abortion is another thread, though (and one I probably won't get involved in.)

If someone is gay, and becomes a Christian, whether their being gay is a sin or not is between them and God. It's not my business. There are some parts of the Christian religion that believe you have to atone for every sin, or that you fall out of Christianity if you sin, and you have to accept Christ again, personally I believe "once saved, always saved."

For the record, I am for equal rights for all, whether gay, straight, white, black, etc. The situation in "I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry" should not have happened. If a man (gay or straight) wants a friend to provide for his children in the event of the man's death, then there should be provisions for that. Healthcare benefits should be provided for a person and their opposite sex or same sex partner (married or not), and any dependent children in the same household. Heck, I'd even say two straight roommates should get the same consideration, if they pay the premiums.

A gay man should be allowed to visit a dying partner, even though the hospital says "Family Only." If they've lived together the same length of time the law allows for common-law marriages, they should inherit assets without a will the same as a common-law spouse of the opposite sex.

I think that's about all I was going to say on the subject, sorry for derailing the thread!


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BTW, over the years at UD, I have seen a lot more vitriol spewed at forum members who are conservative, Republican and/or Christian than I have seen directed at gays, or any other minority on here combined. Some things would even come under the heading of personal attacks, IMHO. - Person A. "I'm a Republican" - Person B. "Anyone who votes Republican is a feeble-minded moron!"

[ajmrowland]

There's another thing about Christianity: overusing the word "sin", but Im not gonna bring up religious (insert noun here).

[JohnnyWeir]

I'm not gay or autistic. Maybe I should make that my signature for quick reference?

[Lazario]

I'm not gay or autistic. Maybe I should I that my signature for quick reference?

Exhibit U, everyone. This is a joke to even the people who don't agree with me. Yet they prove my point anyway.

Even Goliath is kinda striking out against the gay themed threads.

HUH?

Where exactly, pray tell, did I "strike out against" the gay themed threads?

Why is this thread any more stupid than the threads asking if you ARE gay, or DO have Autism/Asperger's Syndrome, etc...?

Good point.

Either you flat-out didn't read my response to this or you're flat out saying those threads are stupid. Yes, they're very akin to "Bring On the Babble" but only at Volume 3. The fact is, they have a purpose. A meaning. A point. And they're not stupid. Therefore it's not a "Good Point" (Sorry, littlefuzzy) at all.

So please, do not speak on my behalf.

I'm sure had I done that to begin with, I would not have done it had you not gotten involved with this in the first place.

ajmrowland, its not worth the argument. Continue your thread how you see fit. Some people just like to hear themselves talk/see themselves type. I think this thread shows a majority of the participants see no problem with your "social study". Don't let others make you feel like you did wrong, when you haven't. Carry on.

Still fuming over what I said to you in the Headline News thread?

Get over it.

[Lazario]

Sorry about the double-post (which I almost never do unless people are NOT telling us what music they're listening to - because we all listen to music ALL the time), but I blatantly skipped AJM's posts because I figured he was finally going to let me have it...

Maybe I'll fuse the 2 replies together later on today (if no one else replies; slow Tuesday?).

Well, I was frustrated because I overlooked that in the search results. they weren't listed by relevance.

Well Search sucks. Nothing new there. I search for Platinum and MAKE SURE I click to dot the thing that says "Search Topic Title Only" and get dozens of posts that don't have Platinum in the freaking title.

Well, that just leaves me with one thing to say: you're not going to get every single UD'er who fits that description to answer you. And even then, no one is treating this like it's intriguing. Even Goliath is kinda striking out against the gay themed threads. This is not bringing out the best in anyone.

I know. I was just curious.

Well... I do owe you an apology. I'm only frustrated because everyone has to fight me on everything. Then I quickly find out people aren't championing this thread, they're attacking of gay-themed threads. Or trying to reduce their importance. But that's not why I'm apologizing to you. It's because I recognize your intention was good though the means were wasteful. And because you don't deserve a thread you make to be derailed by all this. In this case, there was no way it could be helped. I didn't even realize how much resentment there was over the gay threads. I just thought the first post was silly.

Any number of things could have been done instead. For one, you could have broadened the scope of questions. Two, you could have posted this (though I admit- how would you have known about? You probably wouldn't have) in the Get to Know Each Other ( http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... hp?t=14831 ) thread (another reason search sucks: it took me 5 minutes to freaking find it!).

[littlefuzzy]

There's another thing about Christianity: overusing the word "sin", but Im not gonna bring up religious (insert noun here).

Well, that is pretty much the core of Christianity (at least most Protestant Christianity, I don't know about Catholicism, etc.)
A. Every human is a sinner, from birth (passed down from the father's sins, which is why Jesus came from Immaculate Conception (no human father.)
B. God hates sin, and won't allow it in his presence (Heaven.)
C. Jesus died to wash away or cover the sins of every human that accepts Him.


I'm not trying to proselytize here, just explaining why the word "sin" is used by Christians. Of course, as I explained in the earlier post, someone constantly throwing around stuff like "all u gays r gonna burn in hell 'cause being gay is a SSSIIINNN!!!" is being hypocritical at best, since the person saying that is a sinner like everyone else, not helping to spread the love of Christ, and possibly not even a Christian themselves, even if they think they are because they go to church every now and then.

[ajmrowland]

Apology accepted, Laz.

[Goliath]

Either you flat-out didn't read my response to this or you're flat out saying those threads are stupid.

You know, I've had it up to HERE with you deciding for other people what they meant or what they thought or what they said. I said what I said and nothing more, okay? I don't need you playing a pseudo-shrink to explain to me what *I* wrote. I have never, ever, in any way, "stricken out against" gay-themed threads.

Siren is right: you're just somebody who like to see himself typ. That's where these fake outrages of yours come from. And this is not the first time. If somewhere on UD, there is *no* problem, trust on Lazario to create one. Just so he can talk about it.

[Siren]

Don't flatter yourself Laz. I just realize you are completely pointless to speak to. Your so self absorbed in your own world of expecting people to open their minds to your opinion, you are never willing to open your own mind. If I want to talk to a wall, I can do that anytime, not have to wait for you to grace us with you excellency.

[Lazario]

Don't flatter yourself Laz. I just realize you are completely pointless to speak to. Your so self absorbed in your own world of expecting people to open their minds to your opinion, you are never willing to open your own mind. If I want to talk to a wall, I can do that anytime, not have to wait for you to grace us with you excellency.

Not a single word of that has any truth to it at all or any relevance to this or any other thread.

I don't know exactly what that outburst o' crazy is about. Could it be this post? :

When my daughter was a baby, I took her out in the world. I'd take nature walks, pushing her stroller through the woods. We'd stop at some point and I'd lay out a blanket and sit down, feed her, have some lunch. I let her play in the mud.

She has never had a serious illness. She has no allergies. She is not afraid of the outside world.

While one of her friends, its a different story. They've been friends since daycare. Playdates were only allowed over her friend's house, because her mother was afraid of my dogs and cats. They might hurt her daughter. Her friends house was immaculate, all white.....frankly, you wouldn't know a kid was living there. No pets. Etc. When I did have a birthday party for my daughter and her friend came, her mother was a freak about the fact I let the kids fingerpaint. It was so "dirty" to her.

Her child is constantly ill. Has every allergy to speak of.

My own sister, she is not a nature lover. She didn't expose her kids to nature. She didn't have pets. Etc. Her daughters, especially the first one who she was even more protective of, have asthma and allergies.

I think of all the dogs and cats who get dumped when someone has a baby too, when those animals would actually help the baby NOT get sick. Even if you don't take your baby out, dogs and cats bring pollen and other outside things inside on their coats, exposing us to them, early exposure to these things can help curb allergic or serious reactions later in life.

I think when we see the rise in illnesses and allergies we need to look at how our culture has changed. 20 years ago, you didn't see this going on. Not to such a high degree. 20 years ago, technology was not where it is now. Technology is keeping people inside. Give your kid a Leapster instead of a swing set and sandbox sort of thing. We as a culture was germaphobic. All this heavy talk about frequent hand washing, hand sanitizers, H1N1, swine flu, etc. Maybe if people got out in the world more, got back to nature, we wouldn't be having these problems. Take a nature walk once a week. Go horseback riding. Kayaking or canoeing. Expose yourself to the outdoors, its the healthiest thing you can do for yourself.

Anyone can see you poured your heart and soul out in this reply. And yes, that is a serious thing that deserves serious attention. I'm sorry it had to happen in a thread I was in if my being here bothers you. But you could have decided to post that in any thread. Not to mention - you started out your first serious reply by responding to Prudence's objection to this thread when she happens to agree with me.

And since you just had to comment back there on people objecting to this thread, you'll note - ajmrowland accepted my apology.

Either you flat-out didn't read my response to this or you're flat out saying those threads are stupid.

You know, I've had it up to HERE with you deciding for other people what they meant or what they thought or what they said. I said what I said and nothing more, okay? I don't need you playing a pseudo-shrink to explain to me what *I* wrote. I have never, ever, in any way, "stricken out against" gay-themed threads.

Siren is right: you're just somebody who like to see himself typ. That's where these fake outrages of yours come from. And this is not the first time. If somewhere on UD, there is *no* problem, trust on Lazario to create one. Just so he can talk about it.

I can't believe I defended you in Chat...

I mean, I thought the rant on Lady Gaga was strange enough when even Margos knew I said enough negative things about that issue for everyone on the board. But now, I'm convinced- I made a mistake.

Remember when we used to have thoughtful discussions? How our debates turned into real respectful conversation? Now you sense people here don't like you, so you turn on someone you think is more disliked than you and try to make people think you're on their side.

I'll have you know - Siren ignored you as well in the Headline News thread. See for yourself: http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... 1&start=60

If you think I'm wrong about that, good for you. But I'm saying it anyway.

[Siren]

I finished reading the whole TOS, no where on the rule book here does it say I have to reply to everyone. I pick and choose my battles. I state my opinion and sometimes its worth arguing with some people and sometimes not. I know you want this to be all about you, but its not. Sorry to hurt your precious ego.

And my reply to Prudence had NOTHING to do with you. Again, its always about you. Please. I didn't even know she did agree with you because, newsflash, I rarely read your posts. Because again, not worth my time to listen to you go on about yourself and how much better your opinion is.

And what I posted about you, that's my opinion of you. Whether or not you think its true, that's a matter of if you see the faults in yourself. I am not talking about this thread alone, but you in general. You expect everyone to just accept your opinion and when they don't you resort to belittling and attacks. You can't open your mind to other people's opinions. You rather make jokes and look down your nose at others. That is what makes you not worth my time.

Going back to ignoring you.