Three Little Pigs Uncensored In UK. Sort of.

[mitch_evers]

Howdy Folks!

Thought you might like to know...

The new R2 Walt Disney Treasures came rattling through my letter box this morning! And lo and behold, on my brief perusal of their content I notice that the Three Little Pigs (from the Silly Sympnonies disc) actually contains the dodgy Jewish stereotype IN THE SHORT, not just in the Leonard Matlin intro as on R1! Oddly though, while the image is correct, the audio is the rerecorded later audio, given the impression that the wolf is not speaking his lines but mimming, like some third rate popstar on Top of the Pops! Apart from this, the discs are virtually identicle, although after the Walt intros you get a little information about the Disneyland episode they are taken from.

The packaging is another matter!

Nicely packaged IN TINS!!! (whether this is limited to early copies I'm not sure) These tins are significantly larger than the R1 tins, and when you open them the disc cases are seated in a kind of faux velvet effect surround. However, unlike the double disk cases in the US, us Brits make do with a single disc case which flimsily holds two discs. The disc art is grey, with Mickey's image curiously on both sets (even though he doesn't appear on Silly Symphonies), not the nice artwork of the R1 discs. However, the BIGGEST disapointment is with the booklet. There isn't one. Nor is there the poster reproduction, only a single insert which lists the content.

Bear in mind these discs have surfaced at least five months later than original scheduled, I think a little more care could have taken with them. Nice that they bothered to put them tins (although even these do not close, the top half just sort of sits on the bottom), but odd that after going to trouble of the fairly lavish outer, none of the 'in tin' goodies were thought to be included. Seeing as the sets are selling for around £20 a set (roughly $35, I think), I don't think a few extra sheets of cardboard would be too much to ask for.

Still, I'm glad they have finally surfaced here, and I am happy to own them (alongside the more definitive R1 copies). Also they don't appear to be limited, so anybody wanting to fill any holes in their collection might want to consider them.

[Matty-Mouse]

Thanks for the info, I'm picking mine up on Monday.

[mvealf]

Howdy Folks!

Thought you might like to know...

The new R2 Walt Disney Treasures came rattling through my letter box this morning! And lo and behold, on my brief perusal of their content I notice that the Three Little Pigs (from the Silly Sympnonies disc) actually contains the dodgy Jewish stereotype IN THE SHORT, not just in the Leonard Matlin intro as on R1!

For those of you, like me who would rather have it on NTSC instead of PAL, It is also available with the Jewish stereotype on the much cheaper Japanese DVD of "The Three Little Pigs". It's a mystery to me why they don't include Japanese DVDs on this site. I have suggested it. The international DVD search doesn't even pull them up. They are also releasing the tin in Japan, so it will be interesting to see if it has the Jewish version as well. Here's the photo of "The Three Little Pigs" Japanese DVD:
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[Class316]

I don’t have the SS DVD and I want to get it. However, I don’t want the censored (and now expensive) R1 set nor do I want a UK set with the wrong sound (nor do I want to buy a standalone Japanese DVD no matter how cheap).

So can anyone tell me which SS version is 100% uncensored, with the correct image and sound? I don't care which nation.

[mvealf]

I don’t have the SS DVD and I want to get it. However, I don’t want the censored (and now expensive) R1 set nor do I want a UK set with the wrong sound (nor do I want to buy a standalone Japanese DVD no matter how cheap).

So can anyone tell me which SS version is 100% uncensored, with the correct image and sound? I don't care which nation.

This is not really a case of censoring. It was made in 1933 and then re-animated in the 40's by Walt. So really, I want to have both versions in my collection, since they each have different classic animation. It is believed that the original sound doesn't exist any longer (we're only talking 1 sentence). Once Walt changed it, the original sound was not kept. It's possible that someone could discover an original print from the 30's on 16mm, but so far nothing has surfaced. Right now, if you buy both versions, that's as complete as you're gonna get.

There is also a 3rd re-animated version where they added a Nazi armband on the wolf and the house was made of "war bond" bricks. That short is supposed to be included on the upcoming tin "On the Front Lines".

[Class316]

This is not really a case of censoring. It was made in 1933 and then re-animated in the 40's by Walt. So really, I want to have both versions in my collection, since they each have different classic animation. It is believed that the original sound doesn't exist any longer (we're only talking 1 sentence). Once Walt changed it, the original sound was not kept. It's possible that someone could discover an original print from the 30's on 16mm, but so far nothing has surfaced. Right now, if you buy both versions, that's as complete as you're gonna get.

Damn. So these are the only two versions that exist. I see. Well for me, if I at least have the original animation it’ll be “complete” enough. No need to have the toned down image. Is the Australian version the same as the UK version? Cause that’d be cheaper for me to get.

By the way what does the censored line say exactly?

Also, in Mickey Mouse in Color vol 1 there’s a couple of sound censorships. Do you know if they’re uncensored in non-R1 ??

There is also a 3rd re-animated version where they added a Nazi armband on the wolf and the house was made of "war bond" bricks. That short is supposed to be included on the upcoming tin "On the Front Lines".

I have a 3 little pigs with the wolf as Hitler but it’s not Disney. Are you sure there’s a Disney one?

[mvealf]

By the way what does the censored line say exactly?

They both say the same thing. The original had a Jewish dialect, and the re-animated version had a dopey sounding voice. They both said, "I'm the Fuller Brush salesman, I'm working my way through college". The re-animated wolf still has the stereotypical Jewish round glasses. See the different versions here:<p align="center"><img border="0" src="http://www.geocities.com/disney_laserdiscs/pics/3AX.JPG" width="513" height="189"></p>

Also, in Mickey Mouse in Color vol 1 there’s a couple of sound censorships. Do you know if they’re uncensored in non-R1 ??

I only know of 1 short that was definately censored on that collection, called "Clock Cleaners". They censored it because in Walmart, of all places, a 5 year old thought Donald was saying a bad word. I don't know if the non-R1 releases are the same, but the uncensored version does appear on DVD on the new Alice In Wonderland 2 disc set. It's part of "One Hour In Wonderland". This was the first Disney TV show, before his series, in black and white from 1950, but the cartoon short is in color. Luckily they didn't bother to go back and censor the short that appears in every old Disney program.

I have a 3 little pigs with the wolf as Hitler but it’s not Disney. Are you sure there’s a Disney one?

Yes, it's called "The Thrifty Pig". They reused the same animation from The Three Little Pigs. Look for it on the next tin.

[Class316]

They both say the same thing. The original had a Jewish dialect, and the re-animated version had a dopey sounding voice. They both said, "I'm the Fuller Brush salesman, I'm working my way through college". The re-animated wolf still has the stereotypical Jewish round glasses.

Yea I've seen the pics before. So anyone know if the Australian version has the original animation?

I only know of 1 short that was definately censored on that collection, called "Clock Cleaners". They censored it because in Walmart, of all places, a 5 year old thought Donald was saying a bad word.

Yea I know about this one. But there's also a "Snake in the Grass" line that was also cut. But in another cartoon they say the same line. Can anyone shed more light on this?

I don't know if the non-R1 releases are the same, but the uncensored version does appear on DVD on the new Alice In Wonderland 2 disc set. It's part of "One Hour In Wonderland". This was the first Disney TV show, before his series, in black and white from 1950, but the cartoon short is in color. Luckily they didn't bother to go back and censor the short that appears in every old Disney program.

WOW!! So that disc has the full cartoon with the original line?? I did not know that!

[mvealf]

Yea I know about this one. But there's also a "Snake in the Grass" line that was also cut. But in another cartoon they say the same line. Can anyone shed more light on this?

Where did you hear about that? To my knowledge, the only things that were censored from the tins were "Clock Cleaners", "Three Little Pigs" (alternate version) and a Mickey Mouse Club segment from one of the Wonderful World Of Disney shows on Disneyland USA.

I would also like them to release Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree so we can have the original voice of Christopher Robin, instead of the re-dubbed voice on The Many Adventures Of Winnie the Pooh.

[Joe Carioca]

WOW!! So that disc has the full cartoon with the original line?? I did not know that!

Well, sort of... The cartoon is edited to fit the one-hour long program, but the Donlad lines (supposedly "F*** you" and "Son of a b****") are intact.

[Class316]

Where did you hear about that? To my knowledge, the only things that were censored from the tins were "Clock Cleaners", "Three Little Pigs" (alternate version) and a Mickey Mouse Club segment from one of the Wonderful World Of Disney shows on Disneyland USA.

If I'm not mistaken in the same episode audio of Donald quacking was dubbed over a part where he originally said "You doggone snake in the grass!

For Disneyland USA, there’s more than one issue. There’s 2 segments completely cut, and then there’s the annoying “don’t try this at home” screen.

There's info on http://www.tannerworld.com/dvd/inserts/ ... ndusa1.zip

[Joe Carioca]

To my knowledge, the only things that were censored from the tins were "Clock Cleaners", "Three Little Pigs" (alternate version) and a Mickey Mouse Club segment from one of the Wonderful World Of Disney shows on Disneyland USA.

Actually, only "The Disneyland Story" show on the "Disneyland USA" DVD hasn't been modified in some form from its original presentation.
"Dateline: Disneyland" had a Mouseketeers' musical number cut. Ridiculous and infamous "don't try this at home" warnings were added to "Disneyland After Dark" (why do we have the Leonard Maltin introductions, after all?). And, finally, a good portion of the Enchanted Tiki Room show was extracted from "Disneyland 10th Annyversary" (the original version showed the whole atraction).

Uncut and uncensored my foot!